Good afternoon.

We are getting ready to start our study session.

Councillor Deathers.

Thank you, Madam President.

Right, correct?

Thank you.

All righty, Councillor Williams.

Thank you, Madam President.

Um local law.

Um I believe that we should be ready on this.

All righty.

And I have item 10, Brian.

Not yet, I'll know by Monday.

Councillor Panny Agua.

Uh good.

Good morning and afternoon, everybody.

Uh I have item 11.

It's co-sponsoring with President Hudson to adopt changes to the 2024-25 Cyclist Common Council rules and procedures, changing some of the names of the committee and creating a new committee.

Yeah.

Not a public meeting.

You guys can go into discussion among yourselves.

Why wouldn't there be a public meeting on this city clerk?

I mean a public meeting change in the definition of some of the committees.

And you know, and put the input in, you know, give our input or them to input uh well I would think in the mayor and you know, we talk about transparency all the time here, but I I would think transparency be part of part of changing the committees.

I mean, I've been on the council a long time and you know, I've never seen this happen before.

Yeah, I mean it haven't happened.

Uh bunch of a green change the few years.

Yeah, yeah.

Was there a public meeting on the act?

I don't believe so.

No.

No.

That was the voting thing, right?

It wasn't it wasn't the actual yes.

Good afternoon, Joe Barry, First Assistant Corporation Council.

Um I believe around 2018 or 19, Council Green uh had the rules amended to um change the process whereby a council vacancy is um filled.

Joe, I'm sorry, they're they're talking to standing committees.

That's what they're talking about.

But it was still an amendment to the rules.

Oh, yeah, right.

It was my point is the last time we got admitted.

And the city charter, the rules are up.

It's the ru rules of your body, how you want to organize and operate, so it's it's up to you you to make changes during the year as we in the present session.

It does require six votes because you're you're amending them after the organizational meeting.

When it comes up again in January at the organizational meeting, it'll be a just require five votes.

And typically if we make a change now, then that same document will be presented in January for reapproval unless further amendments are proposed.

There's nothing prohibiting having a public meeting on this, correct?

No, it's up it's uh up to the council as a nineteen.

I wasn't on the council.

Counselor.

Can can you can you tell me how to do that?

Well, they were changing it if we're gonna change the nature of these committees for the transp as far as the citizens go.

I think they probably should have just a public meeting on it to let people know what we were planning to do.

I mean I mean, um you know I just don't understand why a public um I'm just I'm just saying I don't understand why a public meeting is necessary because like really you guys can go in caucus and or I mean go, yeah, uh whatever and and talk about it and and make the decision without I mean you guys gonna do a public hearing.

Well, why don't we use uh why don't we if if you know I I will probably uh want to have some discussion with my colleagues.

Yeah, that's but I mean I still think we just should be out in the open and transparent since it affected it affects the workings of the council.

It really doesn't, it really doesn't affect uh affect the public because it's uh the um the the legislation that the mayor is gonna put in front of the council is not gonna change.

Well, we know how small these committees are because you can choose the whole line.

We've seen it we whole line of items until you find out more information.

I think that whoever's in charge of a committee has quite a bit of bit of power.

Okay, all right, uh I mean it does anybody.

I mean, we'll go to the case.

I'm totally okay with that.

I don't know about anybody has much more concern.

But I said I have this, I have one small concern, but we could discuss it later.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, I mean, counselor also, I mean, obviously, Councilor Nade was I mean, were you part of this conversation about changing the committees?

I mean, your charter rules.

Well, we have not had a discussion.

We have not you guys you guys should get it.

If we want to we could check a call meeting, why try we do a public meeting if you wish.

Public meeting.

We need to talk amongst each other first.

That should happen first, anyways.

Okay, public meeting.

So maybe maybe in the interim, we'll have a and then we'll decide on Monday.

Honestly, the confusion is we should have had a conversation already.

Right.

But that conversation only detailed y'all.

It doesn't have anything to do with the public.

We probably gonna come to a meeting that they're not gonna even know what standing committees leave even is.

You know what I'm saying?

So um, you know, I'm just I'm I'm I'm okay.

If they want to go through some kind of process, we'll we'll do that.

All right.

Alrighty, so we're holding that one.

Yeah.

Councilor Caldwell.

Yes, madam president, blessings to uh everybody today.

I have items 12 to 13.

Commissioner Bird, you're up.

Let's go.

Good afternoon, Say Shabird, Commissioner Parks.

Um, I have two.

The first one is the authorized payment to Eric Jones for Trump type 315 to perform at home for the holidays tree lighting that will happen on Friday, November 28th at 6 o'clock with the tree being lit at 7.

That'll be nice.

Uh Commissioner, what was the time?

Can you give me the details for that, please?

6 3 lighting.

6 o'clock.

6 o'clock.

All right.

Tree will light at 7.

True light at 7.

Okay.

So you heard that lady say that.

I didn't, I was I was laughing in my head.

I'm sorry.

So what I want to say is, um, Commissioner, thank you for continuing as well as everybody else, especially the parks department that's out putting everything together.

One thing I would like to say is next year our goal is to do another tree lighting in another community so they can also see it.

Some neighbor, some people that can't make it downtown.

I would love to have tree lighting in other parks in the city of Syracuse so that kids can actually see that, right?

There are a couple more.

Jubilee.

Jubilee's doing one.

I just um the valley's doing one.

Um, the Beachum library is doing one.

Yeah, but I want to see something just as great.

Like we can continue.

So I I appreciate this effort and everything that you guys are doing.

This is amazing.

I love it.

Thank you.

And item 13.

13 is um uh to accept from the Tip Hill Neighborhood Association a bronze statue, granite base paper and benches valued at 63,716 to honor and commemorate two fallen officers.

The description in the letter needs to change.

We'll get you a new letter.

I do have that language, and I'll just read it so it's public.

Um, the fallen officer memorial consists of a kneeling officer bronze statue on a polished granite base that depicts each officer on each side.

The description in the letter is not correct.

Okay, okay.

Thank you.

This is beautiful.

Thank you, Tipville neighborhood and community for that.

Thanks to you.

I'm on set.

And I'm gonna skip over Councillor McJump.

He may make it in.

He's not, he's not gonna make it.

He's taking it.

Oh, okay.

Councillor Rowser.

All right.

Thank you, Madam President.

Standing there for Councilman Job.

I have items um 14 and 15.

Good afternoon, Councillors Rashaw, first deputy chief of police.

I'll be doing item 14.

Uh it's request for an agreement with Spectrum to provide 25 cable TV set boxes uh at $7 a month with IP delivery and fiber-based internet service on behalf of the police department at the property located at 1153 West Fayette Street for a period of three years at approximately $387.50 a month uh with a one-time installation fee of $625.

Umorra has waived the RFP process basically as we move in our cable services from our current location at the PSB to the new public safety building on 1153 West Fayette Street.

Hey Chief, why I mean you probably don't know this answer, but I'm gonna ask anyways.

If we have a whole system, I was thinking I was thinking the same.

Why are we using spectrum if we if the city has a whole internet system?

I don't know the answer to that.

I don't know if we can take it because nobody's here from that.

Counselor, there is some discussion about this, and um we probably can talk a little bit later about it, right, Joe.

I think it's been settled.

Okay.

Are you you want to talk on it?

Or Joe Barry, first assistant.

Uh sorry, I didn't get a chance to update you.

It's okay.

Um so I think there was some uh concern about the Spectum franchise.

They they currently provide uh free basic service to 29 city locations, but unfortunately, when the franchise was renewed, we did not anticipate the move to West Fat Street, so that free service is not available for West Fat Street.

Wait, I think what Council Paul was asking is if we have community broadband, why can't we use them for our service?

Is that that would be internet?

That's a different question.

That's the question.

Okay, thank you.

Hi, counselors Vinny Scipion, director of digital services.

Um, so to um this legislation specifically, I think is just related to um cable services.

Uh internet service, yes, we do have surge link uh that we have deployed in that area of uh the city, and we'll be using it for redundancy purposes as well.

So I think the intention with the PSB or the new you know uh 1153 is to have uh multiple uh internet services there for redundancy purposes.

So that's why you've also seen previous legislation come to you about fiber being run to that location.

Uh um multiple uh you know fiber routes being taken and wireless redundancy through through surge link.

So um the intention there is redundancy.

Um and but again, this legislation specifically is more for cable services, not necessarily internet specific.

Is it answer your question?

Thanks.

I don't think it answers the question.

I was trying to say not that it doesn't answer the question, it's just more or less what's the difference between cable TV and the Wi-Fi.

Like, what do you what is a cable TV about?

Is it the part that says uh IP delivery and fiber-based internet service that's throwing you off?

Is that the part of the legislation that's making you question?

I mean, I understand fiber-based because that would be right.

Used to be coax, you know.

It used to be co-ax would be strung along telephone poles now.

Yeah, and then it's now they use well, or they just don't use coax anymore.

Historically, they're using fiber for that connectivity method for the the cable delivery, essentially.

But isn't that what broadband is doing too?

That's what we spent all that money going under the ground and doing all that for the fiber optics throughout the city.

We run yes, we are running fiber as part of that expansion project uh for surge link.

Uh that doesn't uh we are running some fiber to 1153 as well.

Again, it's for redundancy purposes.

We've got our fiber coming into it.

I believe uh the legislation that you've previously uh considered had uh spectrum bringing some fiber in there as well.

They're coming from physically different low uh locations because if we ran the same fiber on the same poles that Spectrum did, for example, uh if one pole goes down, both fiber lines go down.

That's not redundancy, right?

So we've got physically uh you know fiber being ran on different routes to that location, and then also having a wireless redundancy with surge link to be able to provide uh backup internet services if either of those also went down.

So the goal is to have so what you're saying to me, I just want to make sure that the goal is to have multiple streams of different internet streams, so one system goes down the other.

So and all of our facilities, we have multiple streams of different, and we're playing multiple people for one thing, case something goes.

I wouldn't say that's a I can't speak 100% to that, but I would say uh I don't see that being the case for all of our facilities.

The more uh you know, first responder and uh, you know, high uh necessary like high availability, you know, fire and police, yes.

But like uh a typical facility isn't going to have three different service providers at it that we're paying triple for all the time.

This is I think a uh unique situation where we want to make sure that the 1153 is going to have all of the redundancy that it needs.

So I guess one more question.

Are we at the point that we're running these lines now or these are uh so this legislation here is not for us to run lines?

This is uh just for you know spectrum handles all of that on their end.

That's what I'm saying.

Are we are we at that point?

Because I don't know like when do we start paying for this if the building isn't up and running?

That's my question.

I don't know specifics on when exactly that contract or that three years would initiate.

So I came to you guys uh in the recent past, and then we did the two fiber lines and for the redundancy stuff.

This is just for cable television.

So um this we wouldn't pay for it until we make the move.

I mean, we have it installed ahead of time, but we're not gonna start paying the bill until we're until we're using it.

Okay, we gotta get there quick and reduce them.

I was saying the same thing, but I'm getting it.

All right.

I gotta ask this question before you walk away.

I need you to come back because I'm sitting here and I'm um thinking about it, the more you said that we're coming from different sections.

So we couldn't get our surge link to come from this way and this way too.

We have to have uh spectrum to come this direction and surge link come this direction.

It's less about um us running two lines with the same service because uh it's also service availability.

So there's the physical infrastructure, right?

Which we're describing of having two lines ran from different directions, and then there's the kind of the technical infrastructure, the digital side of things, where if there was ever an interruption with surge link service for whatever reason, or vice versa, with spectrum service, one would pick up the other.

But if we had the same service running from two different lines, if the service goes down, both lines go down, right?

So okay.

You're saying we don't have that with electrical power?

I'm not an electrician, I'm not electrician, so I think that's a lot of people.

The PSB currently has another one we'll have backup generator.

We won't lose power.

Makes sense.

Okay, I just we got to get that through through.

I got it.

All right, 15.

Good afternoon, counselors.

Michael Lehman, Deputy Commissioner with the assessment department.

Um I'll start item 15 by saying we aren't asking for any additional money.

Um we look to hire two additional vendors.

Uh this is for generally the furniture fixtures and equipment for the move to 1153.

Uh contract ink for lockers, design specialists for window treatments, and we would be uh contracting asking for more money to pay Syracuse office environments for storage and shelving.

This all went through um the RFP process, and it is from uh funds already allocated and bonded for so looking at the total amount is not to exceed, so you may come in under that million dollars as well, right?

Yes.

Commissioner, so uh okay, a million dollars we're binding for, but that doesn't add up to I mean the numbers in here don't add up to a million.

Uh to about 450 or 500,000.

Yes.

Sorry.

So it's just in case we don't go over, is that the idea?

Or uh there are two uh outstanding FFNE categories, um which we will be uh talking about at the next council meeting appliances.

Um the response we only received one, and it was inadequate um in that uh some of the appliances that were requested by police and fire, the vendor wasn't able to provide, isn't able to provide and the other is audio visual equipment, no responses.

So there is money left in the in that one million to cover those additional so we have to let out more contracts.

Is that the idea?

Uh yes, hopefully just one more, but it could be two to satisfy the other categories.

Have you bidded on any of these contracts?

Yeah, well, excuse me.

Any bidding?

Uh yes.

So they all went through the RFP process.

Um of the five, we didn't receive uh appropriate responses.

So for those two, we uh did do a separate bid uh subsequent to the RFP.

Okay.

And none of us was in on the RFP committee?

That RFP uh Councilor Majoke was and Counselor Jones.

Counselor Majoke.

Oh, my joke, oh and this one um um where is the furniture you say we need more prices.

How come that just wasn't put in here so that we know that?

Because you know, part of our uh we would talk about body purpose.

One of the biggest things is that we we do is we ask for too much when we should be asking for what we actually need.

But I see that you might really need the million dollars, so why didn't we just put in that we need you know electronics and whatever else into this bond too?

Counselor they bond it twice uh for this particular um for this particular spot here uh to do uh FFEs on FFEs one and two.

And so it's like uh it's like two million dollars.

So basically all they're doing is actually adding Vittners uh to continue um with the process approaches uh with the money that you all already approved.

You know, so uh and and I understand it.

I'm just curious if he said if it doesn't cost the whole million and we're buying for a million, right?

One of the things about we were taught that we shouldn't be buying for more than that.

We need we should be buying it for exactly what we really need in the other purpose.

If we do need more things, why is it on two different things?

You should see it on the right now.

Right now it's really on a one because they're pretty much the use um a million already for uh for one of the bonds, you know.

That's pretty much almost gone.

You know, so please correct me if I'm wrong, just so good.

Didn't you say we gotta you gotta order more electronics?

You gotta order some other equipment?

Yes, appliances and audiovisual, which is gonna go on this bond, right?

It all come from the same pool of money that was allocated and assessment CIP.

It's not looking to go over two million right now.

Right.

I just don't know why it's just not here saying, uh why is it not on this form?

Well that they're gonna be buying other mechanics and stuff on here.

Because here it does not say it on this what would happen is that when they decide to do something different, they will come back in front of you all to amend this and uh to amend this to use up that two million to use up that the rest of the money that you already authorize that you all already authorized.

So it's moving.

Is that what you're gonna need?

So you you're not ready to purchase the other things that's correct.

We don't have a quote from the next vendor yet for audio and visual equipment.

Uh once we have the number, and I anticipate that being a request at the next council agenda session.

Gotcha.

I thought you were ready now, like you said you were gonna purchase it now.

I apologize.

Hopefully, and and any day now, so next meeting, counselor.

They're not ready yet.

If we read it, we should have that's just okay.

I don't know why it's not on this, but thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Commissioner question, all the all the used equipment, where does it all go?

All the equipment, all of office furnishings, all that for the S PSB, the current PSB.

Where is that gonna go?

Um the old days, all the beat up equipment will go to the parks department, but I mean, I'm just wondering if that's what she's asking.

Um well police and fire will be taking uh a lot of their current office furniture and equipment uh over to the new location.

Uh but that which is left over, I don't believe that's been determined yet.

Deputy Chief Shaw, if you're gonna get your chair or what when you retire or what?

That's the idea.

He acts like Chief Cecil sometimes.

Well, okay.

Okay, thanks, Chief.

Thanks, Commissioner.

Thank you, Councilor.

Uh I also have item 16 16.

Thank you.

Um this is uh requesting to in terms of uh lease agreements.

This is for parking spaces at 500 West Fiat Street.

Uh this is on the north side across from the case supply building.

Um it's approximately 225 parking spaces that would be used by the police department as a supplemental for the 1153 relocation.

One year term.

So what's the difference between the 1171 that we just voted on last week and this one?

Uh partially uh because when that is constructed next spring, formally finally constructed, they will need space to park during the time period.

Did we ever clarify the parking for the public?

Is it gonna be more additional parking?

That we I didn't make a mention about that.

Yeah, is that uh just to be sure that when there's other people coming over there, that we also have to be compliant with how many handicapped spots we have in public park parking as well.

Excuse me.

Good afternoon, Mark Russ and Deputy Chief Syracuse Police Department.

Yeah, so the the parking is is moving, it's a jigsaw puzzle, but we understand that it's a it's a priority not only for the council but also for us to have more public parking.

So there's a series of different uh items that we're looking at.

You know, one is Fayette Street, where we could get more parking in the 1153 proper space where we can increase that right now.

Right now we have a designated series of spots until we can get fully moved in, get the cars moved in, and then once we you know unpack the boxes, we'll be able to dedicate more parking spaces where that is right now, it just has not been determined.

Chief, how many current parking spots do we have over at PSB currently right now?

Well, it's the the uh I'll just unpack that question.

There's the parking lot that's behind the PSB.

There's McCarthy Alley, then there's Jefferson Street, and then there's people who park off site.

So we have 152 parking spaces that are generally used at what we call the PSB footprint.

Okay now that that's like a standard day-to-day number, but if we have a major operation like we did yesterday, people are double triple parking and having to move cars around the parking lot.

So you could go from 152 standard people that have to park in and around the PSB, and then it balloons up because you have something that that happens to double or I don't want to say triple, but probably double that size.

You could get probably another hundred cars in and around that area in service, the cadet program, the academy, when there's a press event trying to get uh cars parked in there, the civilian academy, you know, folks come over to visit.

There, you know, it's very difficult as you all know better than I do.

It's very difficult to find uh on street parking in that in and around that area.

Okay.

I mean, this will be chief.

I mean, this is five, six blacks away, right?

West Faye.

I mean 1153 is where the I mean you're talking 500.

So it's so you're gonna make accommodations to move people around probably.

That's correct.

Yeah, that's correct.

And this is this is a s you know, this is a swing space that we're looking for that we ultimately have to we uh we ultimately have to have as we're finishing up these other projects and building everything out um at the same time.

So you said at the oh at the PSB now there's 152 parking spots?

Yes, ma'am.

Like again, kind of that campus idea, West Jefferson McCarthy Alley.

But remember, we have patrol east as well as that's what I was gonna ask you.

How many are coming off of Patrol East?

Uh approximately 178.

So now you have to almost 3400.

Okay.

Yeah, there's a it's a you know, if you think about the if you think about the police department and the in the nature of the operations, you have three shifts 24-7, but it's not it's not static shifts with respect to in-service training on power days, which happens every 50 15 days.

The academy that when they come in, the instructors that are needed for academy.

We hold a civilian academy event, like it's just it's a dynamic number.

It's not like there's 10 parking spots and only 10 people work in the office and it never changes.

It's very dynamic.

If we have like when in the summertime when we're running um, you know, like the ATV detail, we bring in state police sheriff's office and and um a bunch of other folks, all of them come in, and now we've got to find a place to put 60, 70 police officers who are going out into the city to run an operation.

Let me ask them one more question, right?

Okay, we know that we have the artist building right here where they do the art.

So across the street is like a gravel lot.

Are we uh is that available to us?

Uh you're talking uh north side of Fayette Street behind like where Ponchito's is?

No, gear factory across from more time.

Across from gear factory.

Up on the hill, up on the hill where the wooded area is, or in that parking lot that's uh that is actually on West Fayette Street.

Parking lot.

Yeah.

That part that parking lot, my understanding, it my understanding is that that's a private parking lot.

So it's not a it's not available, and it's it's fairly small in terms of the relative side that we need.

Right.

I understand that.

I know you wouldn't be able to put a lot of cars there, or for the excess cars.

That's what I was thinking.

Understood.

And for what I understand there's um there may be some negotiation with the owners of the um small mall.

And that part I know that may be something that could be available.

Right, I know.

It's something that we're working on hard.

That's what we're doing.

I know that's right here.

All righty.

Uh counselor, I just want to point out that the that agreement is for one year, and it's a one twenty one thirty-five.

Okay.

And well, correction already been made.

But it's not in your album.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Councilor Gather Jihason.

Uh 16.

Yeah.

Items 17 to 24.

Yeah.

Good afternoon, counselors.

Mary Robson, city engineer.

Items 17 and 18 are both um one-on-one sanitary sewer off at offset um pieces of legislation.

17 is for the two new dorms that SU is building.

Um, we're requiring them to line uh 12-inch and 18-inch combined sewer along Harrison Street.

Um, the 11 10 and 1200 block.

Um item 18 is similar one-on-one sanitary sewer offset for the rescue mission mission exchange building project.

And we're requiring them to line two sewer manholes and replace frames and covers.

Questions on 17 and 18.

Thank you.

19 is requesting a right of entry agreement with New York Susquehan and Western related to a beautification project at South State Street.

This project already has been completed.

But New York's NYSNW asked that we formalize it with this agreement.

Council Monto, just the one we were talking about.

Yeah.

Okay.

Any questions on this?

Uh any questions?

No.

All right, good.

Thank you.

20 is uh citywide permission to Northland Networks um to construct, own, operate, and maintain a telecommunication network below grade in any city right-of-way and at um pole locations.

So underground and aerial.

Counselor.

And we have a per and per annual fee of a dollar and ninety cents per linear foot for conduit, four-inch conduit installed underground.

Okay, Mary.

So um that's what I was gonna ask to verify the dollar and ninety ninety cents because the letters say uh one dollar and then it says a dollar and ninety.

So the letter says both.

Oh, I'll correct that.

Should be a dollar ninety.

Yeah.

I went with the higher amount because I figured that was it.

That was correct.

Thanks.

And that changes annually with the price index.

So that's the price as of this August, this past August.

I can get you a new letter, City Clerk.

Okay, yeah.

Make sure the law know that any questions for the questions?

Thank you.

Thank you.

Item 21.

Good afternoon.

Beth Smith, management analyst for the water department.

We have items 21 through 24.

Um, 21 is to increase the duration of the contract of six months with GHC for intake extension project.

It's a no-cost time extension.

Item number 22 is to increase the contract amount by 47,000 dollars with Anadaga County soil and water.

That's for some additional watershed inspections.

Any questions on 2122?

Hearing none.

Thank you.

Okay.

Item number 23 is permission for homeowner to replace his existing wooden deck with a composite desk deck.

Um our conduit runs under that property.

And item number 24 is just a waiver of competitive bidding to purchase special water, uh, special um paper for our water bills.

Postcards.

Any questions?

Well, uh Do we already have the paper already for 30 24?

I'm sorry.

That's one question I do have.

Uh uh, yes, yes, the paper, um, just a waiver of competitive bidding.

So we currently already have this.

This is just another extension.

Okay, thank you.

All right, if there's no other further questions, Madam President Mossad.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Councilor Hogue.

Uh thank you, President Hudson.

I have uh item 25.

Of course, we'll have a public hearing that we're all looking forward to tonight.

Um 26.

Um we're all set with 25, 26 special program.

Council Jones Rousser, do you have any any anything on this at all?

Counselor, um, you guys want to do that?

I'd like to respectfully request that we hold item 26.

Um, but while we have the opportunity, um, I would appreciate if you would recognize Terrence Nolan from New Leaf.

Um, he's a senior project developer.

Um, I request that he give a a brief overview of the project, and then if Chief Mons is still around too, maybe he can potentially give us an update from SPD on where they're at with the project.

Okay, despite we've been going against my better judgment here, but Mr.

Nolan.

Brevity is a key thing here.

So if you could give it a presentation.

Uh thanks, counselor.

Um, my name is Terrence Snolen.

I'm with New Leaf Energy.

We're based in Troy, New York.

Um we're proposing two five megawatt battery projects uh at 426 East Brighton.

We've had four uh community meetings on this, and there have been some who are opposed and some who are in favor, are actively working with the fire department in a way that um hopefully throughout the life of the project to uh to satisfy concerns regarding safety.

The primary purpose of the batteries will be to provide um reliability to the grid during uh peak times and demand, and they'll also be contributing towards discounts for ratepayers in in the in the area.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Nolan.

Chief Mods, do you want to say anything on this topic?

Or do you you maybe even send a opinion to the counselors?

Hello, I'm on Mike Mons, the fire chief.

Um typically, um, just to clarify, the fire department usually doesn't get involved this early in the process with the land permit uses.

Um we've been engaged specifically because of questions that the council had, constituents had, the developer has reached out, but typically we don't get involved with code requirements until the permit for the application of the building or fire code review is submitted.

We have been uh looking at this informally, and the plan that was presented doesn't meet the fire code right now, and um informally the proposal that was submitted um without going through the formal process.

Uh, we told them we're not in support of what was um proposed already.

So um it's premature because um this land use special use process um doesn't include the fire department.

We would get our formal explanation afterward after we review it, but because it was brought to us in different ways, constituent concerns, council concerns, the developer reached out to try to get some clarification to answer all these different questions.

Uh we did look at it, and that's where we're at right now.

So as it sits, the proposal um doesn't meet the fire code.

Okay, uh thank you, Chief.

Does it say cheese?

It does not.

Okay.

So thank you, Chief.

And you did maybe we should talk about maybe that's a part of the process that should be accounted for when we go for a special permit.

I appreciate you.

I agree with you on that because it sounds like that's going backwards if we go on and give the permits and then come back and it doesn't meet your standards, then we're fine.

We're going back.

Well, part of the part of the process is whoever the developers and just take away the situation.

Um, if I'm gonna build a building or introduce um some type of structure, um, their architectural uh professionals uh should be looking at the code themselves.

Um our job is just to review that they met the code.

Our job isn't to actually walk them through the process.

They should be hiring somebody that understands the code, builds and um develops their plan to meet the code.

And there's sometimes there's some discretion that the fire chief can have to overturn the code, and that depends on what was a proposal.

And when we looked at it in our initial review, um, it was something if I had the ability to override the code um right now at this point.

We're not gonna override the code because it's not meeting uh the necessary requirements of the code.

Okay, Chief, I think we're gonna have yeah, you you agree with me we should have a public meeting on this, counselors.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, okay.

We're gonna have a public we're gonna have a meeting on this.

Thank you.

Uh thank you, Chief.

And committee meeting or hearing counselors.

Committee meeting, I think we should have.

But certainly if some people want to send in emails or you know, talk to the individual counselors, call the counselors and the concerns.

I would welcome that.

Okay, thank you.

I'm ready, President Hudson.

Thank you.

Counselor Williams.

Thank you, Madam President.

I've got items 27 through 31.

Um, we're gonna continue to hold 27.

I'm making attempts to connect with Josh Sarrison to kind of figure out a little bit more about the the logic and rationale for selecting UKG Pro as the product.

Um we've had a hard time coordinating schedules, but hopefully that'll happen soon, and hopefully we can get some progress and momentum related to our payroll modernization project.

Um moving on to item 28.

Good afternoon, counselors.

Uh Mike Kinsara, Commissioner of Finance for 28.

I probably would ask for Mary uh Robinson to come up.

But so 28 and 29 uh both pertain to um JSCB phase three.

Um 29 uh pertains to increasing the the bond ordinance.

Um we have a two million dollar bond outstanding right now for JSCB.

Um again, that's kind of seed money for uh design, um, our project manager.

Um these are all in accordance with our financial plan.

Um we're looking to we have to renew that ban.

Um so that's two million dollars, and then we're looking to add another two million dollars to that to increase the total uh bond or ban amount to four million dollars.

We will be coming back here in um prior to July.

We'll be looking again to increase that ban total to ten million dollars.

Um so again, just to give you a quick rundown in JSCB.

We will be issuing all the short-term debt.

Um it's a 400 million dollar project, and then SIDA will be issuing the long-term bonds.

Um, after talking with our fiscal advisors and whatnot, the main concern here is increasing all of the short term debt.

Would it negatively affect our bond rating?

It would not.

Um, but again, this is you know, JSB being one of those weird quasi-governmental agencies um where we're doing all the short-term financing for the project.

So, any questions on 28 or 29.

Great.

Thank you.

All right.

Commissioner, item 30.

Good afternoon, all.

We are asking you to amend local law twelve of 2019.

This was um our local law on the back of earlier state enabling legislation um authorizing the 485A program.

This is uh mixed-use conversion.

Um not gonna get into the to the weeds of of uh what the exemption permits, but it's it's a very popular uh partial real property tax exemption that uh I think has probably been the catalyst for a couple thousand new housing units in the city of Syracuse in the last 15 years.

We are looking to um uh fix for lack of a better word, some discrepancies between the local law and the enabling legislation.

Say that again.

So so in the 2019 local law, um which we administer, uh there are some discrepancies between that local law and the state enabling legislation in the real property tax law.

Um our colleagues in law uncovered this last week.

They have been extraordinarily helpful in scrambling to get this under today's agenda um and get this fixed because we are like six weeks out from taxable status state.

Um the start of the new role year when we're gonna have uh a whole new slew of these exemptions, hopefully, on the roll.

So we're refining a better term for this, if we're it's refining uh this law to make it more adaptable to us, or does it have to go back to the state at all?

It wouldn't have to go back to the well, actually that's a heck of a question.

Um defer to Joe.

If an amended local law needs to go back to the state to be recertified between now and January 1st, obviously that's a it's a tight window.

Joe, is that the case?

I imagine.

Wait, what Brian, who often it does local law process?

The local law do go back to the state, all local laws go to the state.

Show Barry, first assistant.

I think good question, counselor.

The the state usually authorizes these um exemptions as an a local option.

So we adopted the original local law uh to buy into it.

Now we're amending that to make the changes uh the commissioner mentioned, and they'll have to be the same local law process where after if this body adopts it, the mayor has a public hearing and it's filed with New York State Department of State, a process that takes about six or seven weeks, depending on which is pretty close, right?

And Madam Clerk, will we need to table this item?

Uh yeah, we we do have the table.

It didn't go on your desk as prior to this meeting, so we do have the table and it goes through this process.

Okay, thank you.

My questions are over with.

We're scared.

Yes, yes.

So uh number 31 is uh a technical amendment.

There was a uh drafting mistake with the ordinance.

The settlement is for the full tax year, but the ordinance only referenced the third and fourth quarters, so we're we're correcting that if you agree.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you, Madam President.

Thank you.

Counselor Jones Rouser.

Yeah.

Council Rosen.

Yeah, I'm on wait for Joe.

Sorry.

Councilor wanna know where we at with 32.

Oh, I'm sorry.

I was distracted.

Um we've set that to New York State for review.

So we're waiting for their comment to make sure we're in accordance with what they require.

Okay.

So she said we can just hold it for the hold it, so here back from the state bank.

Okay.

So I have items 33 through 89, I believe it is.

Um be held.

Continue to be held.

Um excuse me, Council Jones Roser, are you holding it for meaning 33?

We're holding it to hear back from the adoption of the um current legislation.

We're waiting to hear back from New York State.

33, that's right.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Oh, do you say I'm sorry?

I thought you said 33.

This 33 is ready or two.

32.

Okay.

No, 33 is ready.

Good afternoon, counselors.

Calen Hubbard, neighborhood planner with MBD.

33 is uh municipal endorsement in support of land banks HRC application uh to fund their move in New York uh program cross mod homes.

Any questions?

We did have a we did have a uh committee meeting on that.

Anybody have any questions?

I know we shared a list in your packet of the addresses, but we also have a map that shows how they're distributed across the city.

I thought you guys might be interested in.

Okay.

And I just want to make a clarification.

Um the application from New York State requires um a local resolution saying that the city can permit these homes that they meet the building code and that they'll be eligible to participate in the move in New York program.

So there's a template resolution from the state.

Um we've got copies of it right there, and we'll email you the word document of that.

Um Clerk McBride.

I think there was a little misunderstanding about what it is that we need, but we'll have to attach a copy of that to our funding application.

Okay.

Um thank you.

So if you have any questions, we'll get you that word doc this afternoon.

Okay, all right.

So we need to do a resolution for this.

No.

Yeah, I apologize for the miscommunication, but it uh does need to be a resolution from the common council supporting and the there's a template of what language they want in the resolution.

So the type is different.

So the endorsement is not good enough.

But the so you're saying a resolution instead of ordinance.

Yes, that's correct.

Okay.

Yeah, I don't know why that's what they want, but that's what they're telling us to attach.

We'll look we'll talk about it.

We'll we'll look at it.

Yeah, we'll we'll make sure you get what you need.

Thank you.

I appreciate it.

Yeah.

Yeah, most of the time it's just like a municipal endorsement, and we just do an ordinance project.

Um 33.

Uh we've got 33.

I'm I'm sorry, 34.

Good afternoon, council.

Jake Dishhaw, Deputy Commissioner of Code Enforcement and Zoning Administration.

Item number 34 is a request to amend and renew a contract with our demolition contractors.

It's uh officially known as our removal of blighted structures line, but um this is just a re to renew those six contractors when we have emergencies from structural collapses, really bad fires, and we have to get somebody out within a day or or less or you know, a day or two to demolish these things.

Um so it's to renew with those firms for one more year.

This and this last RFQ was done 2023.

Yeah, so it was uh uh a one year with two one-year renewal options.

Okay.

Is the standard to the call on that?

Yeah, they're oh we do, and we added some new contractors for the first time in a while to this.

Um you didn't add we're not adding new contracts to this new.

Oh no, it's just to renew.

Yeah, so we they're you they used all of their renewal options, and what he wants to do is renew it one more year.

One year.

I thought we were IRP.

Excuse me, sorry, it was a two-year with a one-year renewal option, and that's what we're asking for is the one year renewal option.

Right.

And so these are the ones that's in here already, um, they already have been approved by y'all.

So there it he's not adding any new vendors or anything.

So he's just basically asking to renew the contract that you already approved for one year.

So we are two next year.

Yeah, we would, yeah.

And that's what I meant.

Um the last time around we did add new companies to this list.

Yeah.

So the RF you know the RFQ will go out in the city.

Next year, yeah.

Um Jake, how do you guys uh budget for this one?

Like how do you get the number 633,934?

Um it should have started at um the budget was approved for I think 750,000, but it's just part of the city budget and what we try to allocate for code enforcement demolitions.

Obviously, if we have emergency needs, you know, we'll we'll come to you to try to bond for a large project, but most of our demolitions are for single family structures, like you know, the bad fires that you see, yeah, um, where we have to go and demolish the smaller structures, but we do have some large ones sometimes, but this is really to get us through the 20 to 30 kind of you know demolitions that we need to take down residential structures with throughout the year.

Okay.

Yeah.

Any other questions?

Thank you, James.

All right.

Next item is 35 through 89.

Yep, good afternoon, counselors.

Cain Hubbard, neighborhood planner.

Uh 35 through 89.

All requests for transfer to the greater cedar Syracuse Land Bank.

Um, we're gonna withdraw item 53.

53?

Yeah, the uh that's the one next to the or that the church at the corner there, the gray street one.

We don't we talked about that one.

Yeah, we talked yeah, yeah.

All right, there are a couple others on here that I'm not sure how they got on here, but we we I mean we talked about them months ago.

Yeah, which um like West Brighton.

So the West Brighton one eighty-eight.

That that shouldn't be yeah.

So I didn't have that one on any of my lists either.

I that one was a confusion to me too.

So yeah, the 88 that one's finding 80, I'm not sure when 80, the Holland one.

I think that one was it.

That one is uh goes with a different Holland property as well, I believe, right?

No, we'll I'll go through them so um we'll go through these over the week over the remainder of the week, and um when we come back next week.

Do you want me to resend the lists?

Because this is uh vote batch 19.

I think you got that like about a month and a half, two months ago, and then vote batch 20 is it's uh the both of them put together.

There are some that are missing from that list too.

That uh some of those of those ones are not in land bank resolution, so there's land bank resolutions?

Yeah, so that's the only ones that we had on here was the ones that that didn't get on last week.

Um then the ones that we just discussed this past week.

Yes.

There's the there's some others on here that we that are from the from the 18 and it should be from just the ones from 19 and 20 and 20.

Yeah, the only ones that the only other one that wasn't on one of those two lists besides that Brighton one was a request from Councillor Nave.

Uh the very first one, 1601 Brighton.

Or not Brighton, sorry, uh butternut.

Oh, so that butternut.

Yeah, I was wondering where you're gonna do that.

Yeah, the butter, yeah, the the that's the only other one that wasn't on one of these lists, so okay.

So that's fine.

Is is number 78 or 19 or 1848?

Or 21 port map?

Is that a house?

Or is that mean?

You said 78?

Yes.

Oh, sorry.

What's the which one was the address for that one again?

Four IC or 21.

Portland.

It should it should just be a vacant lot, but let me find it really fast.

Yeah, that one is residential vacant land.

That's a vacant one we talked about.

Yeah.

Corlin, it's fifth 51 years delinquent, 309,000.

So what we went through it at 50 years.

So I'll I'll resend the the vote list for vote batch 18 too, or just re-up it for you guys, or 19 rather, sorry, and then go through some of them.

I know some of them needed the land bake resolutions.

We do have those.

Um, there were some on vote batch 19 that I wasn't aware if they needed a land bank resolution, but we can re-up those.

I think there was about eight missing from from that list, but we can chat.

All right, so a few of them may be withdrawn just yeah.

Okay.

All right, cool.

All right, thank you.

Follow up.

All right, y'all set counselor march.

Thank you, President Hudson.

I have items uh 90 and 91.

We will go into executive session for those.

I'm all set.

Okay, two.

Oh, second question.

Oh, okay.

So when I'm trying to