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Yeah, I got it.

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Okay, there we go.

Good evening, everyone, and welcome to this meeting of the Syracuse Planning Commission.

We've changed our arrangement a little bit for this evening's meeting, but I think we'll be back to our normal setting at our next meeting.

Minutes have been distributed to the commission members in advance.

And at this time, I will ask for a motion for action on those minutes of November the 10th.

Move approval of the minutes of November 10, 2025.

I have a correction.

Please.

So if I could offer a friendly amendment on uh page six, uh the last paragraph, the last sentence, there's a reference to the seeker that was performed by uh SIDA, and in that reference, uh apparently an auto spell check took over and listed seeker.

S E K E R rather than S E Q R.

So we should make that correction.

We were seeking an environmental review.

Uh it was close.

Thank you for the correction though.

Uh for the record.

And the maker of the motion accepts the accepts a friendly amendment, yes.

Any discussion on this motion for the minutes?

If not, all in favor, please integrated by saying aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Those opposed, please say nay.

Any abstentions?

Uh the minutes from our November 10th meeting have been approved.

And we can move into tonight's business.

Uh we will introduce each application one at a time.

And for the benefit of those who may be here for the very first time, uh, a word about our process.

As each application is announced, we will ask for the applicant or their representative to come forward to the podium, which is still in the front of the room.

They didn't move that, provide their name and address for the record, and then a brief summary of the application involved.

Following any questions uh from the commission members, we will extend an invitation to members of the public who wish to speak in favor of the application.

And then similarly, we will extend an invitation to members of the public who wish to speak in opposition to that application.

Where comments are offered in opposition, we will uh provide an opportunity for the applicant to return to the podium to address the comments made in opposition.

And we ask that all speakers for or against limit their comments to three minutes so that um many people can be heard if they wish to speak.

Uh let us move to our first chairman.

Are there any items that are going to be?

Yes, thank you.

I have a good memory, it's just short.

Uh there's one item that is posted on our agenda, but we will not be acting upon tonight.

And that is AS 25-03, the project at 617 to 619 North Ghetto Street and Edison Street.

I believe that will be ready or we'll be returning for our next meeting, which would be December to the 22nd.

So that specific project will not be acted upon tonight.

We will not hear the application tonight.

Rather, we will look forward to that on the 22nd of December.

I think you so December 15th.

I'm corrected.

Sorry.

Notice will go out in either case.

So watch for the notices.

Um and on the website.

So with that, I don't think there are any further adjustments to the agenda, and we can begin uh our public hearings, I guess starting with our one item of old business.

Uh the old business on this agenda it uh agenda is the greenhouse manufacturing plan projects.

It consisted with two applications.

One is resubdivision, R-25-34, and another special use permit application, SP-25-20.

It's at the uh 2956-2960 and 2964 is Genesee Street.

The owner is the Greater Syracuse Property Development Corporation.

And the applicant is Ashcock.

It's in the MX2 zone district.

Good evening, Chairman and respected audience.

We mean SCAT, sustainable energy and agriculture technology LLC.

It's a light manufacturing plant for smart greenhouse.

And we have been working with the zoning department as well as the other community member for a few years for a couple of years.

And we have been presenting this proposal, right?

So it's a 3600 50 by 50, the dimension that you can see on the diagram on the left hand side with the X mark, that is the main construction, the main building.

And in that building, we are going to produce our 10 foot by 10 foot greenhouse made of glasses and wood, primarily wood, and also it will be automated manufacturing.

So there'll be less noise, it is robotics, and that is our plan.

Now on the right hand side is the area which is mainly the two main areas.

One is the loading zone, because our idea is that we are going to manufacture a finished project product like a greenhouse, just like your refrigerator is you when you buy refrigerator for your kitchen, the same way we are going to build this manufacturing this smart greenhouse, which will be manufactured as a finished product, and then we are going to deliver it to the to the consumer house, right?

So there's a that's the reason there is a shipping area there, and then on the right hand side of this is the parking area primarily.

The main issue here, there are one of the the issue or concern that we had.

I we mean the the lot in the last meeting, the neighbors of the local community they expressed, and following that I had a meeting with them on 11th, sorry, 15th of November.

And that meeting was very fruitful, and we raised all the concerns, the main the four concerns that they had, we tried to address that in this meeting today, hopefully.

The first concern that they had was that um because it is a special use permit, whether the future owner of this area of this building, if SEAT sells or somehow they stop the production, okay, what will happen?

That was their main concern, right?

And I was very um happy that I was able to convince them that at this point ACAT management team, which is basically myself right now, and also I brought my 14-year-old boy, Chen Bose, who I think if you recall that I mentioned that he is the inspiration for this project because he was very sick, and that's the reason that I got involved into this gardening and greenhouse project.

So I brought him today, and probably he will also be able to share his viewpoint.

He was also in the meeting with the neighbors, and so we have no uh no plan of selling in the near future, okay?

And also this project hopeful we plan to continue forever.

So that is really a hypothetical issue if we sell, okay.

I don't think that that is really a major concern.

The other concern related to that was the precedent that if this particular project is approved, then if other projects owner or the landowner will start to do manufacturing.

But however, I'm not in a position to address that concern.

I think that there is a zoning committee as well as the whole process of Syracuse board, CPC, and all this, there is a process there to address that.

So I'm not going to really address that if what will happen if there is another application in the future or somewhere, right?

So I think that for my perspective, the during the meeting, I was able to explain to them that we have no plan, and in the future, of course, you know, we don't want to expand it.

We this will become a pilot project, as well as we are going to show hopefully in the future, other communities, basically it is a community-based project, will be take advantage.

Now, the second issue that they had, which is the how this project or this constructor from the behind, that means from the south side, from the bottom, right?

So I wanted to draw your attention, the board and also the our audience, that during the course of our development, we have mentioned that we understand that this is a you know, this is the area which is not quote unquote manufacturing area.

So we have put 30 feet of buffer zone, and this buffer zone has currently very tall trees, and these tall trees will be unchanged.

We are not going to change anything in that area.

So in summary, I believe that if we do not change, as we agree, and as is shown in the site plan, that the view from the other side, from the meadow brook and from the other side, it will not be really impacted significantly from what they're seeing today.

Okay, that is our based on the analysis and the the buffer zone.

So that is the second concern they had.

The third concern that the neighbors had, and we believe that based on our discussion that we have addressed that is that because they were under the impression that it will be a stand or I should not say standard because the definition of standard is very could be confusing.

But it'd be like a real manufacturing, like an auto manufacturing, where you know thousands of cars are being manufactured, right?

But as you can see, you you see the picture of the finished product at the bottom, which is a 10 foot by 10 foot and with a glass.

And again, we don't want to go into details of the design itself, but there is also an unit that we have called PCM-based thermal control system, TCM, that is called thermal control model, which really controls the temperature of this unit even in the winter, right?

So one of the concern of the neighbors was that they were thinking that we are going to probably put some kind of natural gas burner and something like that.

And that is probably will cause some fire and everything.

But there will be no carbon fuel at all inside, right?

So that is the finished product.

And also another thing is that the impact of the traffic, right?

So what we decided that at the present time, our objective is that we are going to do one unit at a time, one day.

That is our target, right?

That means we wanted to manufacture around 360 or 300 units.

That is what we messed with, right?

So, and we wanted to deliver it.

It's not that we are going to keep as a model or warehouse at all.

That is not our perfect.

So we like to get it in adjusting time manufacturing model, as you know, because we want to keep the inventory zero almost.

So it will come, will be produced, order will come, we'll produce it, and then we are going to ship it there.

So in that way, the impact will be very minimal.

And as far as the impact on the high schools of the students nearby will be also based, as I said, that you know, I talk to my own uh my son as well as I talk to the other people, is that we are not going to have this loading and unloading at the time when the kids are moving or walking.

That's not our plan, right?

And again, we can do that as I mentioned already that we're going to do.

Okay.

So that is the third concern, and also we mentioned that that maybe in the beginning, probably we may not have even daily.

So maybe once a week we'll probably ship net.

Because in the beginning, we may not have all the orders for every day or five days a week, right?

So I think that is quite acceptable to the neighbors.

In my that is what, in fact, that is the my impression.

They were happy, even though they know that probably in the future we may have to change it to daily and more, but at least for the time being.

And the fourth concern that they had is about the lighting.

And in my view, is that we have not completely done with that lighting uh calculation yet, because we got this issue.

So we will we understand the concern of the lighting, and we are going to make sure that we have got enough sufficient lighting for the safety and the parking area, right?

However, the the height and the intensity of the lighting would be such that we are not going to use the lighting for advertisement or for local anything.

So that way it will not impact anybody uh in the neighborhood.

And lastly, one of the concerns that had is that there is a um retaining wall.

And the retaining wall that we have proposed in the drawing, because it will be uh only uh nine feet tall and nine feet and and and probably around a few inches tall, and it will go along the um, as you can show in the map, uh sorry, in the drawing, um next to the on the right hand side and the and the bottom exact area.

So here it will be parallel to the East Genesis Street, and and the other side will be on the the it's an L shaft, and that will be uh along the building itself.

The height is uh not like a uh too tall, that it will be visible from the outside from the bottom from the south side of the uh of the area uh from our that is the Meadowbrook area, and also I think there are two things is that of course the retaining wall, the it will serve the purpose of the stability of the soil and so forth, so that there is no also it will uh make sure that uh the people here um what are working there, they're safe.

There is no too much traffic in flow from uh unnecessarily, okay.

Uh I'm going to uh again thank very much uh the board for giving me the opportunity.

And also um one thing that I believe the the neighbors were very happy because they uh in fact they mentioned that if or when they they will come to my office there and have coffee.

That was the last sentence that they mentioned.

So based on that expression, I believe that probably um I was able to uh remove some of the concern.

Thank you.

Thank you very much, sir, for the uh update.

Are there any questions from the commission members on the status report since we last considered this, which is two meetings ago, I guess.

Any questions or clarification?

Uh yeah, I just like could you please clarify for me the retaining wall?

Because we had asked about this last time, we weren't weren't sure.

So is the retaining wall actually running along the whole length of the property or just the part to the right of the building?

The retaining wall is come from here, right?

And then it will go with the point.

I see.

Okay.

Right.

And the top of the rating, the top of the retaining wall will be at ground level, or how high above ground level or grade level will it be?

Okay.

Height will be uh nine feet, ten inches.

Nine, so it'll be nine feet above ground level, above the Genesee Street grade level?

No, no, no, no.

From the because there is a slope there.

I understand.

Right, but the the retaining wall is it's eight feet or nine feet downward, not nine feet up above.

It's on the back.

Yes, it's on the back.

Understand.

Yeah, it's in the back.

Right, but the top of the retaining ball, is that gonna be at ground level or how high above ground level is does a retaining wall go?

I think from the drawing, it will be uh in this part um yeah.

Uh high retaining wall, but I think it will be some area because of the slope there.

I understand there's a slope there, it's very steep slope there behind where the building is.

The the question I'm just wondering the retaining wall.

It's gonna be nine foot.

Is that nine foot down, or is that gonna be nine foot above ground level?

Uh or how far down does a retaining wall go?

I don't know if exactly said, I'm sorry that how dumb, but it seems what I understand just on my conversation with Dr.

Day, that in this area, along this line, the height would be uh pitch because this is going on on this side in the road big way.

So then it would be eight feet approximately from the from the ground, and then on this side it would vary because there is a slope itself.

So the height will change.

Here in this side, the height will be very, very uh small.

Here in the end, it would probably be eight feet.

So it will be eight feet above the ground level.

Okay.

So I guess the question I have is why is that so so high above ground level?

I mean, if the purpose of the retaining wall is to keep soils in place and to prevent you know any kind of problems, et cetera, eight foot above ground level seems like a very high retaining wall.

So I'm just curious about what that is.

I I'm so sorry, sir.

Maybe um uh I can uh provide some clarification.

Uh Ember, could you scroll down to the elevation drawings?

Yes.

Could you zoom in?

Could you go to the west elevation?

So as you can see on the plants right now, the west elevation shows this retaining wall is actually down to the ground.

So it's yeah, sorry.

Yeah.

So if you look see how much of it is underground.

Right.

Okay.

Yeah.

Thank you for the clarification.

And thank you so much.

I'm sorry for the confusion.

Yeah.

So just to follow up then, so the the slope, which is a fairly steep slope down to the Meadowbrook apartments, that begins at the retaining wall and goes down from there.

Which is approximately about 30 feet, so to speak.

Well, well, tardy food comes from the south side, south border.

Right.

Yeah.

Okay.

I have one, but you go ahead.

You think on that?

No.

Okay, my one question is actually more of a clarification on the special use permit and it's living on the property, which is not going to be living on the land into eternity as it has been previously passed.

Correct.

No, it will run with the land because the new uh special use permit regulations are not applicable to this project.

The application was deemed complete prior to the um amendments to the zoning code.

So if uh this property is sold, the SUP still runs will still run with the land because it occurred before the new amendment package was passed.

Question for legal counsel.

Yeah, I think I apologize.

I misspoke.

Yeah.

The special use permits were uh modified to not run with the land in the first round of code amendments, and this one has changed the criteria.

So it does not run with the land, it will be subject to renewal.

Right.

So we have, I believe it's 30, I forgot what we did.

36 month renewal, which is an opportunity for all parties to review the status, etc., as well as the codes department to confirm that conditions are being met and all of the requirements that go with the special use permit are being met.

Um previously they would live with the land.

So as I think someone said, if you had sold it, if I had bought it, it would still have the permit on the property.

That is not the case necessarily anymore.

So if I understand ma'am, is that the special use permit is not transportable in the sense?

Is that correct?

The special use permit is not transferable.

I believe that is correct.

Correct.

Yes.

Yes, it's not transferable.

If it was, it would run with the land.

Yeah, right.

Right.

It is not transferable.

Right.

Yeah.

And that is my again, I uh based on some experience that I had in the state of Arizona, that is exactly that, and that's the reason I start to explain to the neighbors is that they don't have to really concern because first of all, we are not even thinking of selling or anything at this point.

And it and then uh if unfortunately something happens, the specialist permit is only given to SCAT and the current owner, right?

And the future owner they have to um reapply and so forth.

Correct.

They would have to come back for their use.

Correct.

And I just want to confirm Monday through the hours of operation currently proposed or Monday through Friday, eight in the morning to five thirty at night.

Is that correct?

That is correct, ma'am.

Thank you.

Walter.

Okay.

Thank you for talking to the neighbors.

I I know they had concerns when they were here for the public comment.

And I just want to ask.

If you get to capacity, so you get multiple orders, how many of the greenhouses are constructed each day.

So our plan is that we wanted to do one at a time.

One day one unit per day.

Per day.

Okay.

And that is the reason that I'm telling about 300, because of course we're not working in the weekend, right?

So that's the reason that around approximately annually 300.

Now the question that again I'm trying to explain as being very is that we hope that the use of smart greenhouse technology will become more popular.

And now we are not going to increase the production capacity here.

And I explained to the neighbors that our goal is, our our model is our whole thinking concept is that if everybody starts using, then we are going to have distributed production facility.

That means every community, not every, but more and more uh community will have a production.

And the reason being, because again, our whole idea is to reduce the carbon footprint, right?

So if we have a very large centralized automatic, like a like auto manufacturing factory in in Michigan, and if we do that, then and if if the our users are in Arizona, that means we are really defeating the purpose.

And that's the reason that we would like to make the manufacturing plant wherever the demands are.

And I think that they understood that that's the reason that we are not going to make this plant area a big hub of manufacturing.

And this is the picture of the proposed building.

As you can see that the height of the building is again consistent with the the zoning requirement and so forth as uh the architect was given.

And also we try to make sure that the impact to the surroundings is minimal.

Impact means as far as the the view and so forth.

And it will be, and again, we try I I was very delighted.

It was a, you know, I was very pleased to meet the neighbors, they're very concerned, and it was a very positive encounter.

I don't know if anybody else is here from that meeting, but um I I was deeply um honored to have them to meet with them.

And also my son was in the meeting, and it was very positive encounter, a positive experience.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Also, thank you.

Additional questions.

Did you have another fair?

No, I'm done.

Uh just one one question about the delivery of materials.

Uh the materials that are going to be delivered, are the materials already sort of pre-cut, et cetera, or are you going to be uh doing work on the materials that are delivered within the building?

Uh yeah.

So so one of the questions or concerns is it just in terms of the delivery of materials, how often that's going to happen, you know, et cetera, what's that going to involve?

So could you just elaborate on that a little bit more?

Yeah.

So as you can see, if you look at the uh picture that I presented in the present you know, production, uh, if you go back, I think uh I think we just passed the pictures, I believe.

Yeah, here, yeah, if you expand this, yeah.

Oh, sorry, you are here.

I did not know.

Okay, so this is manufactured in Camelas on it on site, right?

So, and this is the the reason that we did it on site, because of course we do not have a manufacturing plant yet at this time, but also we wanted to understand many, many things, logistics and so forth, right?

And in in summary, this project, this uh was successful because we did it uh on time and the it is functional and everything, right?

The point that I was trying to address, I believe, is that in this case, the lumbar was came, of course, because we did not all you know uh uh order lot different, you know, only for one unit.

So on site, if you look at the probably the the lower corner, I think, or anyway, in the top, sorry, top left, that the carpenter was actually sizing it, right?

On the here on the left side.

Right on side, right?

So, but if we do mass production, our intent is that we would probably work with the lumbar company to size them so that it will come in a finish not finished, but as a uh right sizing.

So our whole idea would our whole goal would be to manufacture it and to ask them, not as I don't think it will be, yeah.

You can make all it assemble if you can call it, but it'll be more than and and put together all the parts together so that we can create a finished product.

Right.

And you could clarify the hours of operation.

Uh 8 a.m.

to five.

Right.

Thank you.

Just in terms of delivery of materials, one of the conditions that has been suggested is no delivery of materials between uh 7 uh.m.

and 10 p.m.

10 a.m.

Uh is that uh acceptable to you?

Is it acceptable?

Um I I at this point I would say we can always uh work on that.

Okay.

I mean the reason why that has been suggested is I assume that corresponds with the time in which kids are gonna be traveling to and from school.

So the intent would be to decrease the amount of potential truck truck traffic during that window.

And I think not I think I know it is feasible because from the delivery side also, as far as I know about the logistics, is the right, they want to avoid um the peak time, the trucker and all this thing.

They like to do either early in the morning, like 6 a.m., or maybe you know, late in the afternoon, because they wanted to avoid also the traffic.

Right.

Okay.

Okay.

So I just think that um I I deeply uh feel that honored to have the opportunity, and I hope the board will move forward today.

Uh if there is no other concern for voting, and hopefully we could um we can move forward.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you.

End of questions from the commissioners, right?

All right, good.

We're good on that.

Good evening.

Well, we're just gonna move to that portion of the meeting.

So, in a sense, your timing is good.

So uh at this point, as I indicated at the outset in terms of our process, uh, we would ask for those who wish to speak in favor of this application to come forward to the center of the room with the podium, provide your name and address for the record, and then uh brief comments up to three minutes if you want to speak in favor of the application.

Is there anyone in that category?

Sir, please go ahead.

I am not a neighbor of this project, uh, but I would like to speak in favor of I think the operations are relatively modest and can be tailored to be compatible with the neighborhood.

I think that uh Mr.

Bowes has shown uh goodwill to try to accommodate that.

And I think the product that he's attempting to uh commercialize is is very beneficial.

So I think this is a matter of providing some you know reasonable support to a startup uh of a green industry.

And so I'd like to point that out and speak in favor.

Thank you.

Is there anyone else who wishes to speak in favor of this application, please come forward, provide your name and address and comments.

Is there anyone who wishes to speak in opposition to the application?

If so, please come to the podium in the center of the room, provide your name, address, and your comments.

Good evening.

I'm Donald Stoner and I live at 206 Hurlbert Road, which is just up the hill from the property that we're talking about.

And I totally agree that Mr.

Bose has been very cordial.

He met with a group of residents of the area.

I've gotten feedback from other residents of the area.

And while we respect him and his idea, we definitely are not in favor of this, and I'd like to read my comments.

Excuse me.

I'm Donald Stoner, a resident of the neighborhood abutting this proposed project.

I've lived in the neighborhood 30 something years, and I actually grew up around the corner, so I go back.

I object to the proposals and appreciate the opportunity to explain.

We, a group of neighbors, share our concerns, shared our concerns at the previous hearing and in correspondence, which I assume you've all received.

Thank you.

I want to add that I don't believe this application should have ever reached this stage, and here is why.

History.

This little strip of area initially was set up to be kind of support retail services for that neighborhood.

There was a gas station, there was a meat market, those kinds of things.

Several vacancies are currently existing, which is disturbing.

And of course, over the years, pedestrian auto, bus, and truck traffic has increased.

In 2023, a new zoning map and guidelines were approved for the whole city after a great deal of research and public discussion.

That strip along Genesee Street continues to be zoned for mixed use retail light commercial, and it's surrounded by R1, residential one, except for a few R5s, like Nottingham High School, which is a mystery to me, but that's the way it is.

A few months ago, a number of amendments to the zoning code were adopted, which included clearer and stricter definition of the MX destined designation.

If Mr.

Bose were to make the same application today, his application would have been denied without any consideration, as it doesn't meet the mixed-use standards.

I question how Mr.

Bose connected with the land bank in the first place.

Why didn't he work with a commercial realtor who might have identified existing structures in a more suitable area and closer to highways?

At $20,000, which is the cost of each of these greenhouses, the market for the proposed greenhouses would extend well beyond the east side of Syracuse, thereby requiring transport via suitable roads and highways, not East Genesee Street.

Each greenhouse measures 10 by 10 by 15.

Mr.

Bose indicated he'd need to sell about 500 each year simply to be profitable.

Trucks, deliveries in and out will result in significant and intrusive truck and pedestrian congestion.

If in the future Mr.

Bose decides to move or close his business, and we hope he's successful.

We are now left with a commercial building that never should have been built and will only attract further commercial, not storefront retail activity, and the die will have been cast.

I don't think this proposal should have ever reached this stage.

Does the land bank have any responsibility for matching suitable prospective property owners?

Might the city's business development staff have been recruited to help Mr.

Bose find an appropriate and perhaps even existing building for sale.

His business plan may have merit, and we should encourage his desire to pursue a good location.

I'm not addressing any of the other concerns that were talked about, like drainage and traffic and noise and erosion.

And by the way, school kids do not arrive and depart during designated hours.

I live there.

I watch these kids, they're up and down back and forth to the Genesee Street Corridor all day long.

But they're also high school students and they know how to cross the street.

I believe this proposal should be denied because it is quite simply does not match the guidelines and standards of the zoning ordinance, and there's no evidence that he could not find a more suitable location in an appropriately zoned area.

The city should want to encourage entrepreneurs like Mr.

Bose by guiding him to a suitable location and with perhaps an existing building with room for growth and near major roads and highways.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Are there other individuals who wish to speak in opposition to this application?

If so, please come forward.

I I actually my property, I I can look at at this uh the site that that's being proposed for for the project.

And I walk there all the time, and uh I'm opposed to the project, not because of what the project would present.

I think it's a viable project actually, but it's it's in the wrong location.

And um, so I I I I could think that a good location for this project would be to be close to a lows or a a uh a Home Depot where the materials are there, there's an Apple parking and and and trucks can come in and out.

So um and the other thing, I I did take a quick look at the proposal and and the retaining wall, uh I think the mention in in the in the statement that the retaining wall is proposed to maybe mitigate dust noise and fumes and things like that.

I don't think that's uh personally, I don't think that would that that that would satisfy that would be uh uh uh an effective uh uh uh uh treatment.

And um so it's really uh when I I walk by there all the time, and I think the best thing for this particular lot, those three lots, would be to extend to to plant more trees uh to to uh uh uh uh beautify the area, especially for the people who are living in those apartment buildings that are you know so quick.

And and uh it's really as I said, a viable project for the wrong location.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Other individuals who wish to speak in opposition to this application, please come forward.

I don't see anyone else rising to speak.

Uh so as again is indicated at the outset.

Um the applicant has the opportunity to speak again and address comments in opposition.

Uh where did our applicant sir?

That was an invitation for you to return, and you have an opportunity to address comments made in opposition.

Uh thank you again uh for giving me the opportunity to report this.

First of all, I'm deeply honored to have the opportunity to talk to our neighbors, our future neighbors, I hope so.

Um I did look for um location for the proposed production or manufacturing facility.

In fact, I did.

I had my the realtor, my personal realtor who was uh who from whom I bought my house.

I know he's not she's not commercial, but I did.

In addition to that, she introduced me to three commercial um agent, broker in this uh area in Syracuse.

And I did go as far as Rochester to find a suitable place, right?

And in summary, the challenge is the following.

There are a lot of big places big uh 10,000 plus area warehouse and other things, that other areas.

They are not willing to uh allow or willing to rent because of the the start-up nature of the business, right?

And then on the other extreme, there are businesses or the facilities such as you can think of a garage, auto garage, right?

Now we cannot use a garage that maintains or fix the car for two reasons.

First of all, many of them, even though they have a big uh area or lot area, but their location is more into the retail side and retail ownership of this uh mall or nearby, just like lows, somebody in uh suggested that, right?

That if you look at the the malls or the area where lows are Home Depot, they are extremely territorial, okay, to say the least.

And they will never allow a small startup company, right?

And if my company was a software company, then I which I had done some software, even there's a lot of software involved in this company.

In this project, then we could have early done from otherwise.

But we could, but because this particular project involves software as well as hardware.

And one of the main important things that I wanted to share with you with the audience, because you know, this is a community-based, right?

Community-based in the sense that uh two things.

One is that food, everybody eats food, right?

That is nobody will.

But the only thing is that what is the difference?

The difference is that the food that or the vegetables that we'll grow will be fresh, and also it will have more nutrition because we can control the and that is the reason that I think not I think we I like I like to mention that that um we have a greenhouse as a service model, right?

That means we are not just going to give a greenhouse, but we are also going to take the responsibility of maintaining this greenhouse through a data acquisition model, a cloud system for greenhouse.

Again, without going into details, that that is so unique.

That's the reason that Google has helped us to build, you know, cooperate with us.

So I wanted to share that.

The second thing is that if we had this a facility, right, then of course we would not go into this two years or more than two years of time, right?

That we and now if we are not given the opportunity, that means the dream of not only my dream, it's not just the the future generation, the young kids for whom I am really doing this thing, that will be impacted.

And I hope the board will consider that it's not just the project for adults, but it's also project for young and next generation.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Bose.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Uh I will note, however, that we will not be acting on this application this evening.

The commission members have a series of questions for legal counsel regarding the implications from the code.

So we will not on the new code, and we will not act upon this tonight, but we will act upon it as subsequent meeting, most likely the one following this uh one in December.

Thank you all to those who spoke uh or presented.

Our next application, please.

The next items on the agenda, and the first item of the new business is a resubdivision application, R-25-57.

Um it's a resubdivision to combine 306, 308-24, 326, 332, and 340 Wolf Street.

The owner is S V N reality L L C's in the MX3 zone district.

And before this gentleman begins his presentation, a note on the previous one.

When it does appear on the next agenda for the planning commission, there will be public notice to that as well.

So uh the next agenda, but yes.

So be on the lookout or just kind of take the planning office.

Sir, please.

Hello.

Uh my name is Nabil Akel.

I'm the uh attorney that's represent uh represent uh uh SV.

Um they're the owners of uh Romatile.

Um and they're they uh bought some of these parcels as they were growing.

Property is currently broken up into a number of uh parcels that's shown in the survey there, uh all the way down A, B, C, D and E.

Uh, they're looking to just combine those so that the building and the structure and parking lots and storage are all on one lot, and then the separate lot, which is not associated with the business itself, is separated into uh its own lot.

Mostly just for uh I guess in the future if they intend to sell the uh to sell the business or you know to pass it on, it's easier for them to do so without having to pass on all the lots, uh, and so it's being one conjoint property.

Uh park to carbon.

Yeah, as you can see in the in the second one there.

There's a broken up where it's the A, B, C, D, and E.

Uh their intention is to where basically where C is cut C in half and then connect A B the half of C and D, which is shown in the top parcel there.

So the new lot would I make a point it out over there, but everything kind of on Wolf Street to carbon, and then you can see what the new lot B is just over there.

So everything in the top being one lot and then the the lot separately below being its uh its own individual lot, which doesn't isn't associated with any portion of the business itself.

That's kind of like questions for the applicant from the commission members?

I'm good.

All said, thank you.

I'm good.

Okay, thank you very much.

Are there individuals who would like to speak in favor of this application?

If so, please come to the podium, provide your name and address, and your comments.

Anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the application, please come forward?

I see no one rising to speak, so we will close public comment on this application and turn our attention to our seeker S E E K E R review.

Has everyone had a chance to review the EAF part one contained in your packet?

Yes.

Has everyone reviewed the EAF part two also contained in your packet?

Yes, yes.

Does anyone believe the proposed action will have um moderate to large impact under CECRA?

No.

Having determined that the proposed action will not have any moderate to large impacts under CRA, I recommend the commission make a negative declaration and prepare the EAF part three accordingly.

Thank you.

Is there such a motion?

I make a motion to issue a negative secret declaration.

Second.

Second.

Discussion on the secret motion.

There's no discussion.

All in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Those opposed, please say nay.

Any abstentions?

Seeker motion carries.

And is there now a motion for action on the resubdivision R2527 57, excuse me?

R2557.

Make a motion to approve uh R-25-57 as presented with one special condition.

That special condition being that the applicant shall successfully file the resubdivision map of R-25-57 in on dog county clerk's office within 62 days of approval of the resubdivision.

Thank you.

Second.

Second.

Discussion on this motion for the resubdivision.

If there's no discussion, all in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Those opposed, please say nay.

Any abstentions.

R2557 is approved.

We move to another resubdivision.

Next items on the agenda is a resubdivision application, R25-58 at 212 and 214, brought forward parkway.

The own uh owner and applicant is Shao Run Galving.

It's in the R1 zone district.

Good evening.

Hi, good evening.

My name is Sharon Glavin, G-L-A-V-I-N.

I've um owned my property here for 11 years.

And I had the opportunity to buy the land next to me.

Um so I purchased that property two years ago, and I gotta admit it's simply beautiful.

I've upgraded this property, spent a lot of money on fencing, um trees, shrubbery, where I could have bought the property, built a home, but I chose to put in trees and beautified it.

Um so I've spent a lot of money on this, and what I'd like to do is when I got my taxes, I just want to simplify.

I'm trying to just combine the two properties to one tax bill, one for county, one for city.

It's it's just kind of silly.

I have lighting on my city taxes, one lamppost, and I'm getting hit for it twice.

So it's kind of interesting to see how one little lamppost is hitting me twice, but I'm enjoying the lighting, but I just I'm really just trying to hopefully get these combined and maybe save a little bit on my taxes.

That's it.

I'm not going anywhere, just trying to make it easier for the people after me.

And it'll continue to function as yard space for you.

Pardon me?

And it will continue to function as yard space for you.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Questions for the applicant about this resubdivision?

No questions, thank you.

No questions.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you.

Are there individuals who would like to speak in favor of this application?

If so, please come to the podium.

Provide your name, address, and comments.

Anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the application, please come forward with your name, address, and comments.

We have no speakers for this application, so we will close public uh comment on this and turn our attention to the environmental review.

Has everyone had a chance to review the EAF part one contained in your packet?

Yes.

Has everyone reviewed the EAF part two also contained in your packet?

Yes.

Is anyone believe the proposed action will have a moderate to large impact under CECRA?

No.

Having determined that the proposed action will not have any moderate to large impacts under CECRA, I recommend the commission make a negative declaration and prepare the EAF part three accordingly.

Thank you.

Is there a motion for seeker review?

Make a motion to issue a negative secret declaration.

Thank you.

Is there a second?

On the seeker motion before us now.

If there's no discussion, all in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Those opposed, please say nay.

Any abstentions?

Secret motion carries, and we can now turn our attention to the resubdivision itself, R25-58.

There's a motion for action on this.

Sure.

Make a motion to approve resubdivision R-25-58 as presented with one special condition, that being that the applicant shall file uh the completed resubdivision map with the Onadoga County Clerk's office within 62 days of approval.

Thank you.

A second discussion on this motion for the resubdivision.

If there's no discussion, all in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Those opposed, please say nay.

Any abstentions?

The resubdivision for R2558 is approved.

And we move to our next application.

Um the next application on the agenda showed as AS-25-03 has been postponed to the future um planning commission meetings.

So the next agenda items on the agenda is the Z-2915, the project plan review application at 31301 Prospect Avenue.

The owner is the St.

Joseph Hospital House Center.

The applicant is Kevin Gill Gigan.

Um and it's in the PID zone district.

Mr.

Chairman and Commission members, thank you for hearing our application here tonight.

My name is Kevin Gilligan.

I am of counsel to the law firm of Costello Cuney and Fearon.

And I appear tonight on behalf of St.

Joe's.

Also with me are the landscape architect, Mr.

Vincent Petrick, and our project manager for this item, uh Mr.

Keegan Bowen.

He's from the hospital.

Um what we have, let's see.

I'm trying to see how the photo.

Okay.

Okay, that's our uh landscape.

We don't need that yet.

Um, I want the photos.

Okay.

See what I got here.

Okay.

Um these are some photos of the existing area up there on Union Ave.

Our building that we're talking about is 101 Union Ave, and it we call it Building 8.

It's about halfway between North Townsend Street and the main hospital entrance, and it's on the north side.

Okay, it's right across from the parking garage, and there's a nursing school there.

Um that photo there.

I I think can I because this doesn't come off.

I'm gonna go over there and I'll speak while this is the out facade of the existing building that we're talking about.

You can see there's a bridge coming over from uh the uh nursing school and parking lot sort of and they were talking about bridges.

And that's publicly building for the indication of the public.

This is a picture of the Union A.

There's the hotel.

Um this shows are a building that we're talking about here, and it also shows going to take care of the four months building at the founding thing.

Sir, if you if you just for the record, if you'd add your name button before you give your presentation since we're switching speakers, thank you.

My name is Vincent Petrack, I'm a landscape architect with the Pell Osborne Land State Architecture representing the hospital.

Perfect.

Thank you.

Kevin mentioned the existing building is being renovated, and we're our building an addition approximately twenty-seven feet out towards the street, and it's about ninety-five feet wide.

So it's about a two thousand two hundred square foot addition per floor.

So there's two floors uh that are being constructed.

The ground floor will have uh a door, but as Kevin mentioned, it is not an entrance.

It's gonna be serving more as a uh point of egress for the building.

And if we scroll right there.

Kind of a more uh contemporary uh look and with materials.

The ground floor uh we don't really have a ground floor, we have it's it's gonna be an enclosure.

Um, and again, I'll point to that.

There's no parking associated with this project.

Parking for either patients or staff will use the parking garage.

There is an existing uh drop-off loop in front of the building that's going to be eliminated.

Um it's just not it's not necessary, so we eliminate that.

We'll have new sidewalks and curbs running up Union Street on our on the north side to replace that.

There will be probably two new on-street parking spaces that will be metered.

So that's the only real parking associated with the project.

Um the area will be uh landscaped.

Um we had a landscape plan that kind of showed plant materials.

We're going to preserve as much as possible the uh existing landscaping around the uh museum property.

But some will be disturbed just the nature of construction.

It's a very uh congested site and small.

And there is a one light pole that will have street light pole that will have to be relocated because it's it'll be in the middle of the sidewalk.

We wanted to relocate that so it's that in the middle of the walk so we can easily clear the sidewalks for uh for snow removal.

And then lastly, there were a few questions that came out of the zoning administration's uh questions and concerns that they had, and one was they wanted us to prepare a um an erosion control plan for construction, and we plan on doing that prior to permitting.

Um the project area does not require a speedies permit.

We're under we're under that threshold, so we don't need a speed permit with the city.

The uh they also asked us to prepare a work zone traffic control plan, which we'll do prior to permitting.

Again, a very concess congested site.

We'll have a plan that will uh dictate how we want to move traffic, including pedestrians around the site, the construction zone, we're to cross and and and move around our uh work area.

So we will prepare that.

And then lastly, there was a question about uh are we providing any bike parking uh for the project, and we have not.

There is bike parking, uh bike racks in the area, but not associated with this building in particular.

Again, it's unlikely that patients would bike to this facility.

Quite possibly um staff may, but everybody's gonna have to go through the main entrance of the hospital to go through security.

So the parking wouldn't make sense near the the entrance or on on this.

So there is parking um behind the building, bike parking, bike racks, which would be more appropriate.

So we we we didn't address that particular question, but that's how I think we would we would answer it at this time.

Thank you.

Any other questions?

Uh or any immediate questions.

I think Mr.

Gilligan's gonna speak again.

We could hold questions to the very end, or if questions for this component of the project.

Uh yeah, so I just want to clarify.

So you're adding about uh 4,500 square foot of floor space, but you're not adding any any new rooms, it's just for efficiency of operations and security reasons that you're making renovations and some of the aesthetic concerns you mentioned.

Uh the corridors and and how the internal building would would operate around uh kind of a race, it's called the racetrack kind of configuration where you have a rooms on the outside, the corridor in the middle, and then and then the kind of support areas in the middle of the donut, so to speak.

The addition allows us to do that.

Thank you.

Yes.

Yeah, so that the addition does have more, we'll add more rooms, but the the goal is a 30-bed patient unit.

So my question follows up on that.

You're going, we're adding 30-bed capacity, new capacity for behavioral health, as I read it, correct.

No.

Hello, Keegan Bolin, representing St.

Joe's Hospital as a project manager.

Um we're not increasing our bed capacity.

We're relocating a unit that's already within our facility over to this building.

Okay, so you're moving CPEP to it's actually not CPU, it's our in-patient behavioral health unit, which is a different unit than our CPEP unit.

Okay.

Great.

Thank you.

That answers that.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Um, I guess the main points that I would like to make is this proposal is entirely within the middle of the St.

Joseph's campus.

It doesn't affect anyone but our own buildings.

Um the um we've tried to uh do it in a way that you know the the proposal or the comments that were made by the um uh planning uh or the uh highway uh department.

Um they actually said that uh that we needed to do the planning in connection with the permitting process.

So that's exactly what we plan to do is when we're drawing our building permits, we're gonna have to lay out every just like anybody who is building along a road, we're gonna have to lay out uh what what kind of safety precautions we're taking, and I'm sure that the uh highway uh crew will run us through our paces on that, make sure it's safe for both pedestrians and vehicles.

Um we're in a PID district, so this is I think I think precisely what it's designed to do.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Any additional questions from the commission members?

Good.

Okay.

Is there anyone who would like to speak in favor of this application?

If so, please come to the podium, provide your name, address, and your comments.

Anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the application, please come forward, provide your name, address, and offer your comments.

We don't seem to have speakers in either category, so we'll close the public comment for this application.

Turn our attention to our environmental review.

Has everyone had an opportunity to review the EAF part one contained in your packet?

Yes.

Has everyone had an opportunity to review the EAF part two also contained in your packet?

Yes.

Does anyone believe the proposed action will have any moderate to large impacts under CECRA?

No.

No.

Having determined that the proposed action will not have any moderate to large impacts under CECRA, I recommend the commission make a negative declaration and prepare the EAF part three accordingly.

Make a motion to issue a negative secret declaration.

Thank you.

Is there a second?

Second.

Discussion on the seeker motion.

If there's no discussion, all in favor, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Those opposed, please say nay.

Any abstentions?

Seeker motion carries.

And we may now turn our attention to the project plan review itself.

That is Z 2915 as just outlined by the three previous speakers.

Is there a motion for action on this?

Make a motion to approve uh project plan review Z-2915 with four special conditions beyond the general conditions, those four special conditions being number one, all necessary approvals shall be obtained before uh commencing construction work on the site and in a public right-of-way.

Two, the application, the applicant shall address all concerns from city reviewing departments before obtaining the building permit.

Three, the applicant must contact plumbing control to ensure appropriate permits are obtained.

And four, the applicant shall coordinate with the Onadog County Department of Water and Environmental Protection on capacity assurance due to a possible increase in use.

In addition, unless it can be demonstrated that anticipated sanitary flows will not exceed previous flows in excess of one sewer unit per uh one-on-one ratio.

The applicant must develop a one-gallon to one gallon sanitary flow offset plan project to coordinate with the City Syracuse Engineering Department.

Thank you.

Is there a second?

Second.

Discussion on this motion.

If there's no further discussion, all in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Those opposed, please say nay.

Any abstentions.

Z 2915 is approved.

Thank you very much.

Our next application.

The next item on the agenda is major side plan review.

Mosper Dash 25 28 at 200 East Genesee Street and Warren Street.

The owner is City of Syracuse.

The applicant is Hanover Real Estate Development.

It's in the MX5 zone district.

Good evening.

My name is Jamie Williams.

I'm an associate partner with Holmes again Colquist Architects in Syracuse.

With me is Adam Fumarolo.

He's a partner with Hanover Real Estate Development.

The uh future owners of the property representing the project also are Chris LaBurge, a partner with Hanover Development and Christian Freeman.

Our landscape representing Keplinger Freeman Associates, our landscape architects and civil engineers.

It's approximately 45,000 square feet.

And the city currently owns the property.

It's been office occupancy throughout its history until a few years ago when the city left it and moved over to one park place.

It's now vacant.

And the uh Hanover would propose to renovate it as a mixed-use occupancy consistent with the MX-5 zoning regulations in this particular case.

It would be ground floor commercial.

The floor plan that you're looking at now is the ground floor.

These floor, these plans are conceptual in nature.

We're still pretty early in the project, but this represents an anchor tenant possibly of a restaurant use and currently showing three other secondary tenant spaces.

Moving up to the other floors.

Yeah, I think we might have.

Yes.

So uh floors two through seven are similar in nature uh in that we are maintaining the historic uh original stair and the the bulk of the historic corridor and elevator core, uh just converting what are currently office spaces into residential, or uh while it's still somewhat soft, these drawings show 39 uh two-bedroom and one bedroom units, and they will be a mix of market rate and affordable units.

Uh the difference between floors two through four and five through seven, which was the addition is that five through seven have bays added if you go to the next, and you can see uh that bays have been added.

So this is proposed to be uh an historic tax credit project, and we'll go through SHIPO and the National Park Service.

Um we propose to restore the historic exterior, including all the brickwork, terracotta, um, cast stone, uh, all the sheet metal bays and uh fenestration.

And we anticipate that we'll we will be uh modifying the atrium, as you can see in this view uh on the lower right, uh, we'll be making that more energy efficient, and it it currently has uh uh a uh um bullnose sky light at the top, and we we're proposing to uh modify that somewhat with a shed roof to make it a little more contemporary and not quite so 1980s.

Anything you'd like to add?

We appreciate the time.

We're having to take questions.

See if there are any.

Any questions from the commission members for the applicant regarding this project?

So I a question or a couple of related questions, I guess.

Just the long-term ownership plan.

Right now the city owns it, but the is the long-term plan, is a developer going to take it over, or is the city going to be looking for another uh owner uh to unload the property?

Adam Fumarola from Hanover Development, we're under contract to acquire the property.

Okay, so the plan would be to buy it and then develop it.

Okay.

And at some point, this is going to require a resubdivision uh because the the whole uh property tract that it's on is owned by the city, but there is some land in in that tract that would not be part of the footprint, so it requires a resubdivision at some point, but not now yet.

Is that correct?

I don't I don't know that to be true.

Can maybe give me a little more detail on the question.

Uh yes, so I can make some clarification here.

So um as you see the atrium in the image right now.

So based on the property survey, this atrium is encroached into the nearby abandoned East Genesee Street.

Yeah.

So if that's what the question was in reference to, um the there's an ordinance from 2021 granting the city for the city permission to have the atrium there.

When we were working through negotiations with the city directly on the acquisition, the plan is to acquire title to the land underneath the atrium.

That was what was agreed to.

So to the extent that requires additional subdivision work, absolutely.

Okay.

Okay, great.

And is the atrium still going to be available uh for rental as an event space, or is that uh you know it's a great question.

Our plans right now are to treat the atrium as uh commercial space with a real emphasis on, and you know, Jamie alluded to this.

Our goal is to make this building mixed income and create that kind of vertical community, and our goal is to also create a horizontal community, and to do that, our goal is to have for that first floor to be inviting to as many users as possible, specifically that atrium space and how pr how forward presenting it is and how it connects out to the courtyard.

So I don't have a solid answer to your question.

Our hope is the answer is yes, either art space or convening space or some way to use that space that's is inviting and open as accessible as it can be.

Good, because I'd hate to lose that as a public event space in that area downtown.

No, thank you.

And if I could just add one other note that once the acquisition, the proposed acquisition takes place of the historic building and the atrium, uh the footprint of Hanover's property would essentially be zero lot line on all sides.

So there's no there's no adjacent open space associated with this property.

Thank you.

Okay.

I was gonna make a comment to Mr.

Williams, it's one of us like designs from the 80s, but that's that's just a comment you can do that.

Okay, well, thank you very much.

Are there individuals who would like to speak in favor of this application?

If so, please come forward, provide your name, address, and comments.

Anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the application, please come forward, provide your name, address, and comments.

Hi, my name's Melissa Zell.

I'm the owner of State Tower Building at 109 South Warren Street.

I am first of all, I want to speak in favor of it.

So I I didn't get up fast enough.

Um mostly in favor of it.

Just want to go on record with that.

Umly in favor.

Um I'm also a licensed architect, as you know, we went through the um historic tax credit process with the State Tower, so I'm thrilled to see that they'll be doing that as well because that kind of keeps everybody honest.

Um so I think that's great.

In the application, when I was reviewing it over the weekend, um, of course, I couldn't help but immediately notice this issue with the it's in the staff comments one non-conformity exists, the one-story glass shelter encroaches into the city right of way 41 feet, where it was approved to encroach 12 feet seven inches in 1986.

I know Adam referenced some ordinance, but I really would like to understand that because that is a huge encroachment, and I understand that it's zero lot line, but I do kind of think as a shared space and as a city space, it's one thing.

Um in terms of historic preservation.

1985 fans notwithstanding.

Um it's not my favorite part of the project architecturally.

And so I just want to make sure that this is dealt with appropriately.

So I understand that right now that whole portion is fully in the right-of-way.

It's not part of the the city's plot.

I understand that the city is maybe making a deal, but like I'd really like to understand is that just gonna go away, the fact that it was approved for 12 feet seven inches and somehow it got built at 41, and everyone's gonna be okay with that in the end.

So that's really a question.

I know you can't answer that to tonight.

Um, but that's really the crux to my comment.

I'm thrilled that it's getting redeveloped.

I'm thrilled that it's going to be apartments.

Doesn't bother me at all.

Um don't see it as as a competitor.

I really see the more vibrancy downtown, the better for all of us.

So I'm definitely in favor of it, but I am, you know, I just think fair is fair.

I want to make sure that this is appropriately dealt with, whatever this kind of strange issue is with the right-of-way and with the encroachment.

Thank you.

Thank you.

So uh in response to your question regarding the right-of-ways, so based on our staff uh research the um glass shelter, the atrium, do encroach into the city right away.

And um we later figured out that this portion of the East Genesee Street was abandoned um but never get assigned a tax parcel ID number by the assessment.

So right now that the Department of Assessment is uh trying to get this into our system, and then later we can kick start the resubdivision application, uh the process to combine the two uh to combine the atrium into uh and the building into the same lot so that that will so are you saying that the information in the application was incorrect, that it it was always approved as 40 feet?

Because the way I understand it, it was approved to be an encroachment of 12 feet plus you know seven inches, whatever.

Um so are you saying that that's not correct that it was always approved as a 40-foot encroachment into the right-of-way?

I mean, that's okay.

Hi, Noel Garcia, uh staff planner here at the City of Syracuse.

Um the 12 and a half foot encroachment into the right-of-way was the original approval, uh, or sorry, the original application.

A separate application was made later in 1986, I want to say in February, um to expand that.

So there were two abandonments that occurred.

Um the first one was the 12.7 or sorry, 12.5, 12 and a half feet, and then the second one was for the full area.

However, this um abandonment of the right-of-way, the lot was never officially sold to anyone.

It was basically abandoned, and then the application kind of sat and nothing happened to it.

So that's kind of where we're at right now.

So assessment has been working to um rectify this and complete the sale of it.

Um I mean, if all that's true, I'm fine with it.

Um I definitely think it needs to be zero lot line, though.

I don't think that the restaurant should have the ability to then further encroach into what is today a public space.

Thank you.

Are there other individuals who wish to speak in opposition to the application or something close to that?

Uh please come forward, provide your name, address, and comments.

I don't think we have any additional speakers on this application, so we will close public comment on this and turn our attention to our seeker review.

Has everyone had a chance to review the EAF part one contained in your packet?

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Sorry.

Part one.

Yes.

Part two.

Yes.

Does anyone believe the proposed action will have any moderate to large impacts under CECRA?

No.

No.

Having determined that the proposed action will not have any moderate to large impacts under CECRA.

I recommend the commission make a negative declaration and prepare the EAF part three accordingly.

Thank you.

Is there a motion to that effect?

Make a motion to issue a negative secret declaration.

Second.

And the second, thank you.

Uh discussion on this motion.

If there's no discussion, all in favor, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Those opposed, please say nay.

Any abstentions?

Seeker motion carries.

And we may now act upon the major site plan review, which is MASPR 25-28.

Is there a motion for action on this?

I'll move to approve the application with the conditions.

Barry's much better at reading all the conditions than I am.

So with the conditions included in the packet, with the addition of a couple of additional conditions.

One that the resub map be completed with zero lot line to not extend the atrium into further right of way or public space.

And two, the affordability requirement shall be effective for the term of the regulatory agreement, not necessarily 30 years.

We haven't seen the regulatory agreement yet.

So I'm not sure what your financing and or pilot will dictate, but those agreements will dictate the affordability.

So if we could amend the 30 years to running with the regulatory agreement, if everyone's in agreement with that, as well as the resubzero lot line.

Did I forget anything?

And the conditions included in the staff recommendation.

I'll second that.

If not, I think that last comment we heard was probably in favor, but the speaker got wheeled out, so I'm not sure where that where that left us exactly, but okay.

No further discussion on the motion.

All in favor, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Those opposed, please say nay.

The major site plan review then is approved for MASPR 2528.

Thank you.

Thank you all.

We move to our next question.

Thank you.

Yes, good evening.

The next item on the agenda is the a renovation on the historic project property at 6252 West Onondago Street.

It consists with one specialist permit, SP-25-29, and a major side plan review application, MASPR-25-29.

The owner is the Saruk 7 properties, LLC.

The applicant is Hilary Donahue.

It's located within the MX One zone district.

Hi, my name is Hillary Donhue with CityLink Architecture 408 Otisco Street, Syracuse, New York.

I'm here on behalf of Robin Barrett, the property owner at 652 West Onadaga Street.

This building was built in 1893 for Wilbert Smith, who was one of the Smith typewriter brothers.

It's been a funeral home, a nursing home, and a rehab center for consolidated industries.

The funeral home was the 40s to the 70s, somewhere about there.

And this drawing was done for the funeral home when they left the property.

So we're here tonight to convert this property from a mixed or from a single family home to a mixed-use building with two residential apartments in the back, former servants' quarters, and a private club in the front portion of the mansion.

The intention behind the private club is to operate similar to the Barnes Mansion on James Street.

The idea would be small audiences.

So if we just scroll through some of the pictures.

Yeah, so this is from the backyard looking at the back of the structure and the bridge building tying to the red brick 658 West Onadaga Street.

And this is just an interior shot showing what will be the um interior of the private club.

It's a very well-kept mansion.

It's very grand, and the owners have treated it very nicely.

And we just want to be able to share this with the public in a way that doesn't uh infringe upon uh the somewhat residential neighborhood.

That's showing the two mansions again, that red bridge building.

Thank you.

You can go to the site plan if you want to stop on that one either.

I guess if there's any questions in the meantime.

I mean, it's just showing the back entrance.

End of presentation.

Thank you.

Are there questions for the applicant?

We have uh two actions uh slated for this uh location, special use permit and the major site plan review.

So any questions on either one in relation to the information we just received.

A couple of questions.

Uh who owns the property at 658, and how does that work in terms of the demolition process for the bridge?

So uh Robin Barrett, who's here in the audience, owns both properties.

So uh Robin Barrett, the same owner, Syracuse 7 properties owns both mansions.

They've been sold together the past couple sales.

Okay, good, great.

Understand.

Thank you.

Good.

Uh could you explain a little bit more about how the private club process is gonna work, how many members, what's the cap, how does it happen, you know, et cetera.

And you know, leading into the description of the performance pieces that are gonna occur on Thursday through Sunday afternoon and evening, uh, maximum 25 per event, possibly three a day, but not necessarily.

Uh could you talk a little bit more about that whole process?

Um so I think the intention is to have um the access to the private club uh to have it be fairly accessible.

It's not gonna be like an um, let's see, let me start again.

Um it's the intention is not to be a super exclusive private club.

The intention is to have small private events um for paying members, um, but membership will be fairly accessible.

Um there are a lot of neighborhood neighbors that are very involved in this area, and um, you know, to be able to go in this performing arts direction, but also host things like neighborhood meetings.

Um that's kind of the intention.

So report performances a day would just sort of be a maximum, but not necessarily what it's gonna actually be the case.

Yeah, I mean, that's you know, one of the original um proposed uses the owner um was envisioning uh when she started down this road.

Yes.

Right.

And the uh the rental units in the back of the property on the first and second floor, so they're gonna be available for anybody to rent, or is the owner you uh residing there?

What's yeah, the idea is they would be open.

Um it's the former servants' quarters.

It was kind of set up um as apartments at this point already.

I think when the home was last used as a single family home, there was somebody renting in one of the back units um for a long time, but you know, it's always been kind of a family friend situation.

But I don't think the intention is to have the owner live on site at this point.

Okay, thank you.

I have a question, uh kind of playing off of Barry's uh Christian about how the um performances would operate.

Would you look to an outside entity to organize, promote and execute those performances, or is it being done uh from by the owner, owner's associates or whatever?

Yep.

Um I believe the owner is going to be fairly involved.

Um she would be partnering with other performing arts organizations in the area um to kind of partner up on these types of events, but she will be very involved.

It's a very creative idea for an historic home like this.

Uh very creative.

Further questions.

Hilary, I have a question about the parking.

So the application says 11 spaces in the back.

It's a single access driveway.

Right?

So I couldn't get back.

I didn't drive back there.

Is there you're obviously not gonna park 11 cars front to back, front to back, front to back.

I assume there's space behind that will allow me to turn around and yeah.

If we get back to the site plan, that's kind of the setup.

But at this point, the two mansions are there's paving in the back that bridges one lot to another.

So right now the access is through a driveway to the left of 658 West Onadaga.

Right.

So there's a little bit more turning area, but the idea is to yes, make this so you can pull in three-point turn, pull out the driveway.

And that's how I'll leave.

Yeah.

If I'm there for a performance or a meeting or yeah, something.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Are there individuals who would like to speak in favor of this application?

If so, please come to the podium.

Good evening.

My name is Ed Griffin Nolan.

I'm the owner of 500 West Onondaga Street.

And um I was at a meeting that Robin and Hillary held at the site uh where this is gonna be.

And there are about 30 neighbors there, and everyone was really, really enthusiastic about this.

We've had a great revival, slowly working its way down West On Daga Street.

Um, you know, the the spa, the coffee shop, the Pathfinder Bank, as well as a number of uh uh um affordable housing units that housing visions and jubilee and others have put in.

So it's really been a neighborhood that has tried to keep its character, but to enhance what's available to people in the neighborhood, and this really fits in well with that.

So we're we're really really excited and pleased that that Robin has taken the initiative because we were concerned, frankly, Sam Sage, who's been a great asset, and when you go swimming in on Daga Lake someday, you can thank Sam because he sued the county to clean it up.

Um but what's gonna happen when Sam moves on?

And he's kind of semi-retired, so this just seems like a great uh segue into the next piece of the history of uh both of those beautiful mansions.

We're looking forward to attending some shows there.

Thanks.

Anyone else wishing to speak in favor of this application?

Please come forward.

Hi, my name is Deborah Felder.

I live on Holland Street in back.

And I was opposed because when it said private um settings, you know, quite club.

Excuse me.

I have to call you back.

When it said private club, I was confused.

Um, like I didn't know what it was going to be.

But as she explained, because I know about the building, it's gorgeous.

And I grew up there around all of that when it was the funeral home and everything.

I used to climb up.

I had lots of fun over there, but to see what they're trying to increase.

I love the idea, and I think that's beautiful.

So I'm happy.

Thank you.

Other individuals wishing to speak in favor of the application, please come forward.

My name is Peter Jacobs, and I have two properties directly across the street from uh from the building in question.

And um, and I live there and I've been there for 45 years.

And we've been through many different stages of West Onadoga Street from uh it started out as the second richest uh street in New York State outside of Fifth Avenue in 1900.

Uh then there was a period of decline, and then a renaissance of source.

We ran all the drug dealers off and it's come back.

But the the historical integrity is the most important thing.

Uh to me, that's that's what makes us West Onodaga Street.

You know, is as different from other areas of the street.

You got Eastwood's edgewick, well, we're West Onadoga Street, and there's many wonderful homes.

I'm lucky enough to be a caretaker of two of them.

And uh I knew Sam Sage, and this sounds like a worthy project.

I'm not sure about a club.

It it sounds a little different.

Uh I don't know how long that will last.

My concern is what happens after that.

Uh but as it sits and the people that uh have talked today, it sounds like a good idea as long as they're uh not gonna uh alter the interior too much to uh to make this happen because it's uh it's a gorgeous interior.

There's there's nothing like it's got Tiffany windows, it's a just a magnificent building.

Uh so uh I you know I'd like to say that I'm in favor of it, and I have to live with it because it's right across the street for me.

Uh so that's what I have to say.

Thank you.

Other individuals wishing to speak in favor of this application, please come forward.

Hi, uh, my name is Susan Hamilton, and I live at 218 Holland Street.

So I'm kind of behind this building and across the street from it.

Can see it from my windows.

Um and I'm delighted to um express my um approval of the proposal.

Um, I think this is going to be really good for the neighborhood.

Um, and I look forward to patronizing it.

It's a wonderful building, and this is uh I think a really appropriate use for it.

Um it's you know, you can't find single families that can afford houses like this anymore.

Uh so I think this is a a really good thing to happen to it.

Thank you.

Other individuals wishing to speak in favor.

Uh Glenn Kime, owner occupant 669 West Onadaga Street.

Um moved there in 1991.

We've been hoping and watching the neighborhood to get better for all those years.

This seems like a very good project.

A lot of enthusiasm behind it, and it would preserve the building.

So I'm all for it.

Thank you.

Other speakers wishing to speak in favor of the application, please come forward.

Hi, Christian Freeman, 121 Ruskin Av.

Um, I just like to say that this project um is sort of a hallmark of what we should be looking to do in a lot of these these larger houses that are abandoned or maybe just left in a dis deteriorated state.

Um, I understand that the use is maybe a little atypical, a little funny, but I think that's a beauty of the city, and it's a beauty of the southwest um region of the city in particular.

We have the Subcat recording studio, you got LIPE, you got the art park, you have that bridge work coming down on the Onondaga Bridge, the West Onadaga Bridge leaving downtown over by Salina there.

Um, all this is very artistically focused, and to have some kind of a performance uh small club aspect that plugs in that's gonna give this area a new identity and rebrand from mission district to Syracuse Central New York Arts Center USA.

Um I just think this is a a great way of preserving the historic quality.

If anyone has issues with the parking, I would just like to say that the uh the road's quite wide.

So that club gets busy, street park it up.

Let's go.

Thank you.

Other individuals wishing to speak in favor, please come forward.

Hi, Emily Tiberio, also at one two on Rusk and Av.

Um, just excited to support this project.

I think that um as a Strathmore resident, someone who drives down the street every single day, we see uh these big old mansions, and we hope that um they will stay there and stay beautiful.

And I think that having um dedicated people who want to make these big projects happen um is really really important for the Southwest Corridor for surrounding neighborhoods.

Um and I think to speak to the sort of unique um purpose of the building.

While a private club may sound exclusive, I think in many ways, this is an opportunity to um really increase access because as it stands, nobody is going in and out seeing that beautiful home every day.

So um, you know, when there are opportunities to attend the arts in spaces like this, uh I think it really is a way that we can increase the access to such spaces.

So um just really excited to support this uh these efforts, and I hope to see it come to life.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Other individuals wishing to speak in favor of this application, please come to the podium.

We may have exhausted that list.

Is there anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the application?

If so, please come up to the podium, provide your name, address, and comments.

Doesn't appear as though anyone else uh is inclined to speak, so we will close public comment on this application and turn our attention to our seeker review momentarily Has everyone had a chance to review the EAF part one contained in your packet?

Yes.

Does anyone believe the proposed action will have any moderate to large impacts under CECRA?

No.

No.

Having determined that the proposed action will not have any moderate to large impacts under CECRA.

I recommend the commission make a negative declaration and prepare an EAF part three accordingly.

Thank you.

Is there a motion that that effect?

Motion to issue a negative seeker declaration.

Second.

Discussion on the motion.

If not, all in favor, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Those opposed, please say nay.

Any abstentions?

Seeker motion carries for this.

We may now turn our attention to both the special use permit.

Um that will take the form of a recommendation to the common council and also the major site plan review.

Uh SP 2529 and MASPR 2529.

Is there a motion for action on these one at a time?

Make a motion to approve uh special project special permit SP-25-29, uh, with uh four special conditions beyond the general conditions, those four special conditions being that the proposed commercial business shall not use amplified speakers to project music outside and shall control any speaker volume inside so as not to violate the city of Syracuse local noise ordinance.

Two, the proposed commercial business must strictly adhere to operation hours, which are deemed appropriate and approved by the city planning commission and the common council.

Uh three, the applicant shall coordinate with the Onondaga County Department of Environmental Protection on Capacity Assurance due to possible increase in use and additional, unless it can be demonstrated uh anticipated sanitary flow will not exceed previous low in excess of one-to-one ratio.

And uh four, one staple bike rack for every six parking spaces shall be provided in a conspicuous space near the main entrance.

In this case, if there's 11 uh parking spaces that should be rounded up to two staple bike racks.

And this is uh uh a recommendation to the common council for affirmative action.

Is there a uh second?

Second.

Thank you.

Discussion then the motion for the special use permit recommendation.

If not, all in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye aye.

Those opposed, please say nay.

Any abstentions?

That recommendation will move to the common council for final disposition.

Um is there a motion on the major site plan review?

Same project, same location.

Motion to approve uh major site plan review MASPR-25-29 with uh four special conditions in addition to the general conditions, uh those four special conditions being that the applicant shall demolish the Carter connecting structures between the two buildings as discussed to uh should the property owner propose any changes to the commercial tenancy or to add additional residential units as part of future development.

Such modifications will be subject to zoning review process and and require site plan approval in accordance with application uh regulations.

Three, the application shall coordinate with the Andog County uh uh water environmental protection program, and four, one staple rack for every six parking spaces shall be provided in the conspicuous spaces near the main entrance.

In this case, that's two, since there's a 11 parking spaces.

Thank you.

Is there a second to that motion?

Thank you.

Discussion on the major site plan review motion.

If not, all in favor, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Those opposed, please say nay.

Any abstentions?

MASPR 2529 is approved.

We move to our next application.

Um next application is special use permit SP25-30, seeking um special use permit at 4400 South Salina Street and West Glen Avenue.

The applicant is David P.

Cole Grove.

Thank you.

Good evening.

Good evening.

I'm Dave Colgrove.

I'm an architect with Labella.

Um we are proposing to take the former Purcells Paint Building on the corner of uh West Glen and South Salina Street, 4400, and would like to convert that to a funeral home.

Um so if you can go to the next slide, it shows the site plan.

Right now, the property is not occupied.

Um it was you know, percells was a previous utility um where they sold paint and they had some storage in the back.

So you see the front portion of the building right there, is where they had their retail portion of the building, and the back portion is a block and wood truss area with the area where they actually use for storage.

Um as you can see the lot as it's currently configured.

It's pretty much a building and the rest of its pavement, all the way out to the to West Glenav and to um South Salina Street.

So if you move up a little further, we can show you the uh the next drawing, I believe, keep going.

So the site plan, that's the site plan on the top there.

And what's being proposed are new curb cuts, um two on West Glen Ave and one on Salina Street.

Um it's new sidewalks along West Glen Ave and Salina Street.

Currently, there are none as well.

There's no really defined curb cuts at all at this point.

Um providing landscaping, um, new pavement and a small um bio retention area to control the stormwater runoff off of that property.

Also we'll have bike racks, which is one of the things I talked with um talked with zoning about.

Um there'll be seven parking spaces that will be striped for that lot.

It's an odd configured lot.

You can see the building's kind of tucked back in the corner, and somewhere along the line they had a it's kind of had this jog in the property line.

Um so currently there's probably only room for about seven parking spots as well.

They're just not very well defined if you subtract out dry vials and maneuvering, etc.

Um, other additions to the outside of the building will include um a canopy over at the over the front door, which will be there for transporting uh casket or body from the from the funeral home into the hearse, and new windows and doors and siding around the whole building.

Um the inside of the building.

Also some you think you can go to the next slide, a couple slides down, I believe.

That's the details.

Next.

So you can see the um the right side is basically the proposed floor plan of the building.

The front portion of the of that building will be used as a parlor for the funeral services.

Um we figured about 66 people.

The center portion of that blue area is where there will be the body preparation area, body washing area, and there's also an office and some bathrooms.

Then there's a connecting piece between the pre the old retail space and the storage part of the building, which will be enlarged slightly to accommodate a another bathroom, a full bathroom with a shower, and a and a utility closet, and also a garage space for the hearse.

So it can be can be unloaded and loaded within a garage space and stored within that space as well.

This is generally a down below.

There's also a little basement plan on the lower left hand of that that's that will be um used just for storage, it's really not all that accessible.

Um the business will actually technically be operating 24 hours, that's only the nature of funeral home business, just because they'll generally this is this will serve um as a facility for Muslim burial, so it's happens within 24 hours, so really it's go out and get the body, come in, it's washed.

They have and they have a quick ceremony, but everything happens very quickly.

There's no embalming on the site.

Um so it's there's some freezer area for storage, but for the most part, everything happens fairly quickly.

And I think that's generally that shows us these are pictures of the outside of the building.

You can see some right now.

There's kind of a mansard roof that's we're kind of reconstructing to make it more if you look back with the old photos, but make it construct and look at a little they give it a little more of a contemporary look and try to and putting new siding on all that new durable um siding and new windows, obviously not full glass windows like we're in there before because of the nature of the use of the building.

Um, but generally the whole building trying to make it look like uh you know at a like a new building of what we have there.

So I think that's the extent of it.

Any chart questions?

Let's see.

Are there questions?

Uh so the material we have indicated uh hours of operation are gonna be 7 a.m.

to 5 p.m.

But you were suggesting a 24-hour operation because of the only because yeah, because someone when people when they when these when they go into business and they send out a hearse, it's not necessarily on any particular time.

But you know, so I and I'd like to I think hours of operation would refer to when you're gonna have people congregating there, not yeah.

Well, but the these, and I don't know, understand all the details of the the Islamic traditions for this, but it's usually it's a usually it's a smaller ceremony, it's not like what I'm used to seeing with a large um the receiving line and the and the calling hours.

Usually people there's a sort of ceremony within the um with during the washing portion of it, and then there's then they have a prayer, some prayers outside of that in the parlor area, but generally it's not quite like a typical say a Christian burial.

So it's but still I would imagine it'd be you're right.

I would imagine it'd be during hours when people are awake.

You know, it's about you know, so as far as people coming there to congregate, most likely that's I would imagine that would be the case.

But the obviously the services, uh getting the body there, cleaning the body, that might happen whenever questions.

So when I look at the directional arrows for the parking curb cut traveling through the property.

Um you have three two-way curb cuts, right?

And you have three two-way curb cuts, right?

Both directions.

Oh yes.

On the map.

Yes.

I don't can we get the uh site layout on there, Amber.

Or Noah.

I don't know who's is it Noah?

So the one that has the arrows for the directions of the car.

I'm a little right.

So the one in the top left has two way, right?

But the passing through in front of the funeral home is all appears to be one way.

Correct.

It's a single way through there.

The top left is because there's a there's a storage in the back, and there's some it'll still be some office and storage use in the back of that building where the warehouse was.

So there's a actually an overhead door that would need to get to the truck would need to come in, pull into the spark parking space back up to the overhead door and then go back out the same way.

Is the idea for that for that two-way traffic?

But for the most part, that's that's for the most part that's for people, that's for the for um yeah, that's the same.

The arrows are I'm assuming for the funeral activity.

Yeah, it's not a convenient way, obviously, to go back out unless you're a truck.

Unless maybe not it's not convenient.

We're just accommodating a door, the overhead door that's already existing back there.

Okay, then we'll still still use it that way.

And the proposed office and storage will be a separate tenant.

Correct.

Well, I think it's going to be operate used by the owner of the building, I believe.

Okay.

Or someone that's associated with the owner of the building.

So it would be a separate general, it'd be a separate.

Separate from the funeral home operator.

Yes.

Okay.

Okay.

Thank you.

Okay.

Just there's a They have to receive remains at any hours, we get that.

Um I I am looking at the plan and thinking about the parking spaces.

You know if there's a smaller ceremony or ritual with just limited numbers, seven is still a very small number.

Are they going to make arrangements with any neighbor to try to get more spaces at certain hours?

Yes.

And I uh the name the uh there's what used to be a hotel next door.

So they do have they will plan, they don't use those parking spaces.

It's usually not necessarily use of the hotel that he does have a relationship with them next door that would accommodate obviously much more than what they got here.

Um there is a little bit, we and we were talking about this with zoning um and just say you know, we we just got we got to the seven, and I think we when we came down the final calculation, it's not on here, but I talked in the office with them over the phone last week that we were only one short of what we needed for the code, obviously, practically speaking, what you're talking about.

Um there are there are a few that potentially which didn't exist before, some on off-street parking, because that used to be I mean that was at one point that whole corner was a curb cut, uh the space calling curb cut, so it there's some a little bit of off-street off street parking that we could like count on.

But for the most part, there's a big lot next to us with that with that hotel space.

And that they have a relate the good relationship at this point.

I think that's you know that's that's my understanding of the plan to make it work to make it more convenient because it doesn't, I mean the owner of this doesn't want it to be convenient, doesn't want everyone to be struggling to find a place to park in this and uh coming to a funeral.

So that's my intention, my understanding of the intention.

It's possibility.

It hasn't been formalized yet.

Okay.

Staff at this point they have sufficient parking for the current plan, they have enough parking.

Oh, yes, with the current side plans and with the applicable um parking reductions, they have enough parking.

Thank you.

Obviously, in the interest best interest of running the business, that it's gonna be beneficial for the moment to make arrangements just to make convenience using the facility.

So it makes a lot of sense.

So thank you.

Thank you.

Are there individuals who wish to speak in favor of this application?

If so, please come forward and provide your name, address, and comments.

Good evening, Mark Cass, 116 Griffin Street.

Happy to speak in favor of this.

A couple of reasons, uh vacant building put back into productive use, but most importantly, it it really will serve an important need for a growing segment of our community.

Um parking issue, you know, I've been involved in a number of um burials, and typically there is no calling hours, it's typically family or near friends who would go to wash the body, and uh then it would be transported to the mosque for a ceremony.

So um the ability to have you know an extra car or two come, but it's a very limited number of people and the gathering happens after the burial rather than you know prior to.

Thank you very much.

Thanks, Mark.

Thank you.

Are there other individuals who would like to speak in favor of this application?

If so, please come forward writing your name, address, and comments.

I don't see anyone rising to speak under that category.

So next, if anyone wishes to speak in opposition to the application, please come to the podium, provide your name, address, comments.

Thank you.

Kathy Stribley, 316 Monasella Drive North.

Um I'm speaking as a neighbor.

I live about two or three blocks away from this, and I go through this intersection frequently in both directions.

Um the biggest problem, I'm not opposed to the project.

The problem is the offset intersection of West Glen Avenue and East Glen Avenue.

So if you're trying to travel along East Glen Avenue into West Glen, you have to go into South Salina, and then across on the South Saline, then zip into West Glen Avenue and reverse.

Um adding all that ins and outs, exits and entries there at that corner is gonna cause a lot of problems, both for pedestrians and for people that are just trying to go through the intersection.

It's a very odd situation.

Um I did submit comments on it.

Um I understand um I also that the um traffic planner suggested that there they didn't need to have the two-way at West Glen.

And the both of the two ways on West Glen because of the way the parking is, and I agree with that.

They both can be they could be one way, or if they need the two-way on the on the west side for the office, whatever.

I don't know how they're gonna have parking for that because they've got they haven't got much parking at all.

So I don't know how they have enough parking for the um office space area, but um the one that's really problematic is the South Salina Curb Cut.

That's right across from the East Glen Avenue intersection.

And I didn't understand the nature of the funeral home business that we're talking about.

It's a smaller amount of people.

Um, but when the paint store was there and I was frequently in and out of the paint source, I know, and I also I take care of the garden at Atonement, so I know the site I'm over there all the time.

Okay.

Um when the paint store was there, there'd be one person in, one person out.

It was very, very sporadic traffic.

So there was never any type of backup traffic there.

But I don't see the reason for the South Salina curve cut at all, and it really makes the problem with the East Glen offset much more dangerous there.

And we do have a lot of students walking in the neighborhood, we have a lot of pedestrians, a lot of low-income uh people that live in the housing to the north.

Um I brought up in my um submission that they should get a cooperative agreement with the um with the hotel, the motel for parking overflow if they need it, because there's a lot of parking on West Glen Avenue from the housing right now.

There wasn't supposed to be, but there is.

Um there isn't really any other parking in the area, and there's a lot of congestion from a mass, which is just a little ways down the way.

When they're in operation, um East Glen Avenue is congested.

Um, and then we have bus traffic.

We have central bus turning and school bus turning, all that going on there.

So I've almost been hit at that intersection a few times.

And I would dare say most of my neighbors have almost been hit there, and I'm not sure how many have actually been hit there.

But um, it is not something to sniff at, I guess, or just ignore.

And I think the circle operate perfectly well if they took out that um to in and out on South Salina if they have to keep the other two.

You know, that's I I think the one that's close to the intersection there should be just an out because the more you simplify the situation there, the better it is for safety.

So and if you look at the comments from the traffic, um the traffic uh DBW traffic people, they're saying basically saying that.

So I'm just reiterating that.

And I it is an improvement over what we have.

Um, and it would be good for the neighborhood.

And I think um I do consider the north facade a little bit of an interesting historic feature.

It wasn't diner, it was an old diner or diner red or something like that.

Um, and I hate to see that go, but I think maybe I tried to look at the um at the um elevations, and I think maybe some of it's being retained, but I'm not sure about that, but it'll look better, I'm sure.

We have now.

Thank you.

Okay.

Are there other individuals who wish to speak in opposition to the application?

If so, please come forward.

And if there are no further speakers, as appears to be the case, as I had mentioned at the outset, uh, when comments are offered in opposition, the applicant has an opportunity to address those comments made in opposition.

So, Mr.

Colgrove, if you want to um address some of those, you have an opportunity to the uh could you microphone up a little bit?

Sorry.

The uh the only funny, the only curve, the only curb cut that has actually was any was actually defined on that site was actually the Salina.

So Wina Street curb cut.

That's the only one to that's actually you could see evidence of actually curbs recessing down.

And so that's the one that was the one that I would have that I would call existing.

The there weren't any existing on Glenav.

Um, however, we're hoping that that the uh by defining it more would at least uh simplify the traffic flow around around that area, or just give people a little more sense of direction of where they should be or should not be going.

So thank you.

Having heard the speakers in favor and in opposition uh to the application, we'll close public comment on that this application at this point.

However, um the commission is going to be unable to act on this application this evening.

I understand there's some issues relating to the uh appli applicable code that we need to sort out before the commission is going to be able to take action on this.

So that will happen at a subsequent meeting to be noticed or be on the agenda.

On the agenda, and um and also available by calling the office or going to the website, but we won't take action on that this evening until we get those other issues sorted out.

So it will return to this body, uh, just not for action tonight.

So with that, I think we have one more item on the agenda for this evening's business.

Yes.

So the next items on the agenda is the um first time extension on the major um a spr 24-27 and following modifications, which is the East Adam Phase 2 projects.

Uh the applicant is requesting a first-time extension uh on these uh projects.

The owner is the Syracuse Housing Authority, and the applicant is McCormick Baron and Salazar Um Inc.

INC.

Good evening.

Shall we start?

Yeah, just an overview of what's involved with this request for the time extension, if you would please.

Sure.

I'm Jen Conception, project manager at McCormick Baron's Hall SR.

I'm here on behalf of McCormick Barron Salazar to request for an additional time extension for the completion of the project located at 1105-17 South State Street and Bridge Street.

Given the size and the complexity of the project, we don't anticipate the project to be completed by the March 28, 2026 timeline.

And that's uh just reiterating what was requested on the letter provided.

Uh if you have any questions, please let me know.

So the new completion date would be remind us again 20.

June 25, 2028.

Okay.

Thank you.

Other questions for the applicant regarding this time extension.

Okay.

Okay.

Thank you very much.

Are there individuals wishing to speak in favor of this application?

If so, please come forward.

Anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the application, please come to the podium, provide your name address, and comments.

We have no uh speakers uh for or against.

We'll close public comment and uh entertain a motion for action on the requested time extension.

Make a motion to approve a first time extension for MASPR 2427 with one condition.

Uh that condition being that all the conditions in the zone of approval of project MASPR-24-27, MISPR-2460, and MISPR-2548 shall be followed.

Was there a second?

Second.

Thank you both.

Discussion on the motion for the time extension.

If there's no discussion, all in favor, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Okay.

Aye.

Those opposed, please say nay.

Any abstentions?

The time extension for MASPR 2427 is approved.

Thank you.

Sorry, you had to wait for so long to get to this item.

You have great patience.

Uh any additional items for action by the commission this evening.

No, that's it.

For all.

Thank you.

Then is there a motion to adjourn?

So move.

A second.

Second.

Discussion.

All in favor, please.

Could you come to the microphone?

I didn't understand.

I didn't understand one of the questions previously, one of the answers previously.

Uh could you clarify about not being able to make a decision on the previous application?

If there was a vote on the motion that is sitting in front of us right now.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

I'm sorry, I thought you counted.

No problem.

Speak to that issue.

Yeah, sorry.

Fair question.

Uh we have a motion before us to adjourn.

Uh there was no discussion.

All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Those opposed, please say nay.

Any abstentions were adjourned.

We will reconvene at uh this time on the 15th of December, not this time.

We're gonna start earlier, uh, 6 p.m.

Uh on December 15th.

So thank you all for your patience.

Meanwhile, the question on the South Salina Street project, would you mind um what we need to do?

Uh it's us rather than the applicant.

I think that might be um clarification point.