Public arts commission.

Uh we will just have uh I'll call this meeting to order and we'll just have everybody go around quickly and just briefly introduce themselves.

We can start, yeah.

Elias Gwen uh yep, that's not Emma Raider.

Sophia Gutierrez.

Emmanuel Carter.

Devana Robity.

All right.

Um so yes, we will review the minutes from last week's meeting.

Um there isn't a whole lot on there.

We didn't have quorum, but just again, just to kind of review, make sure everybody reviews it.

Um yeah, we'll just look at that.

All right.

So all in favor.

Perfect.

Motion passes with all perfect.

All right, uh, so we'll move on to our main motions.

Uh we have SPAC 2519 jump shot and skyline by Allie Walker.

Uh if you would like to come up.

Uh and yeah, if you want to tell us a little bit about uh your proposal.

Uh yes, I'm looking to uh paint a mural on the side of the CNC minimum over on um North Salina Street.

Uh the owner would like to do uh the Syracuse Skitty City skyline at dusk on both sides of the entryway.

Um and then on the corner, uh entitled jump shot, he uh would just like a very very generic character um reaching up for a jump shot um with just uh a nice orange blue palette to just match our lovely city.

Okay.

Yeah, awesome.

Uh Shai Sh, because I know we don't have in color.

Do you have an image and color?

Oh yep, I do, I think.

Sorry.

I don't know why I didn't call it.

Just so that we can look over.

You know what?

I don't know if I do have one.

I don't no.

Listen, Ali, do you have an image and color perfect just so that we can just a quick look at it?

These uh Coca-Cola logos, they're advertisements that are currently on the building, or were there already currently everything in the R for business itself?

Yeah, okay.

So that's not hard anyway, they're physical ideal and nothing to do with you.

And then um because I'm kind of in the logo mindset.

This this basketball form in the background does have the feeling of a logo to me.

Oh no.

Seeing it in color changes it completely.

Okay.

Because there is one, there's like a national basketball league with a blue tone.

No, I try to stay away from anything that we have to do, but I wanted to at least capture the this is why being in color matters.

Like my brain went to that other uh I just wanted to make sure that it uh you know encapsulated basketball.

Yeah, with uh gentlemen jumping up there in case you missed that right there.

Very literal.

Yeah, we can open up to any other questions.

Uh what's the condition of the wall right now?

Uh they repaired the bottom, so if uh unfortunately your black and whites don't probably show it, but they repaired the bottom of the wall too as well.

Um and the sidewalk, it was just uh over time period had worn down.

Uh so they've uh over the summer they've got all new um bottom exterior repaired the wall and then they repaired the sidewalk too as well.

Uh it looks like um between switching owners there was a sidewalk that was put in.

Um so there were some uh parking stoppers there that they also moved to as well.

And then he's in the process of also repairing the back portion of the wall that nobody can see, but he just wants it done.

It's a brand new owner that has just taken over this uh building and business.

Is there a maintenance plan?

Because I can imagine if it's if it's had issues before.

Um is maintenance plan as far as I mean, most of the murals that I've painted here around Syracuse, uh, we put a UV coding over it.

Um I make sure that there's a nice uh uh the building's primed, ready to go, so there's a nice backdrop, and usually they last up to about seven, eight years, and I take a lot of pride in my art.

So if there's any the facing, it's usually gone within a week.

Um the owners and I usually just have a a small agreement where they'll just call me back and I just make sure everything looks great.

Thank you.

Uh I just have a quick question on time frame.

Uh because I must yeah, right now it's very difficult.

So uh it took me a little while to find the right person.

So um uh it was scheduled for uh the summer.

Um we've now pushed it back and uh we're just gonna uh hope for spring as soon as we get a nice piece of weather.

That's fair.

Okay.

Um looks like we'll start with the front and then we'll go to the back side as well.

Okay, perfect.

Any other questions?

Can I get a motion?

Let's go.

I motion to approve.

Second, all right.

So we have Devana and Elias.

All right.

All in favor.

Yep.

Awesome.

Beautiful.

Okay.

Thank you very much.

So motion passes.

Thanks, Allie.

And yeah, um, just keep us posted on when you're completed.

Absolutely.

I will add that I live in that neighborhood and look at that store every single day, so it'd be nice to have some color.

A little more color over on that side.

Okay, so come on in.

Or we can go, yeah, either way.

All right.

So yes, I know that that was the primary motion.

Uh up for consideration.

Um now we will just move into some discussion.

I know that there were some things that we just discussed last week.

Uh, but Commissioner Byrd, is there anything else that we need to discuss tonight?

Um I don't think so.

The only thing I would mention is as we have a new mayor coming in in January.

Um, some I would recommend and and she as well that we wait on terms have been extended to the end of the month.

I know some there's three people on the committee now that currently have termed out.

Um so those um letters will come out from the mayor's office in January, and you will be able to choose if you you know stay on the committee or not.

They're com excuse me, the commission or not.

Um other than that, there were questions posed at the last meeting.

I am still working through some of those.

Um I did bring some of the ordinance with me because I've been studying and reading through them.

And I think what we recommend, what was recommended last meeting to host like a art commission 101 to revisit some of this.

We just have to talk about when that could take place, what your schedules look like.

We said starting, I I recommend we start with the commission and then even do a public meeting about the you know, this is what the application is, this is how you go through the process, this is who we are, this is what public our coordinator is.

Can we do an annual public info session?

Yeah, um I think during the winter is a great time because people are usually planning around that time.

Um it's not like the summers everyone's traveling and that gets difficult or they're working on stuff.

But if we do a yearly um info session that gives you know a lot of community members opportunity to come in, people who've never done murals before.

Um I agree, a new artist that may be afraid of the process because they just don't know.

Yeah.

And it also is an opportunity to orient any new commission members because we do change off and often it's just like here's the packet's great.

I'm really glad to do that.

But usually we're like, welcome, okay, now let's get started.

Yes.

Okay.

Agreed.

I think it might also be helpful to have that hybrid, like if we could do that somehow on Zoom.

I know that it's live streamed, but the info session I believe we could.

I'm still um trying to dig deep and figure out if we can do meetings virtually.

I'm not I I'm still reading through the literature.

From what I've heard, uh, because I checked in with Tina too um to see about this.

I don't think we can for open meeting law reasons that they have to be public like that.

Um because essentially like we can't have an public open meeting on Zoom.

Yeah.

It can be WebEx though.

Because that's what um the state uses.

And that's what we did um during COVID.

See, but I think that was a special circumstances.

I think they've dropped all those things because I mean they set it all up for COVID so that yes, people can do that, but I think they dropped a lot of that, unless maybe we can try to add that back in.

I don't know based on the open meeting law, and maybe that's something we need to just review as well, open meeting laws and what we need to do for these meetings.

Um, we could do some Zoom things, that would be very helpful.

Um, but I don't know if realistically that is something that we can do.

Um yeah, um, just a quick uh refresher too for some of the stuff we talked about last week.

Um we talked about um uh commissioner terms, so making sure that we're um again, so kind of checking whose terms are up, how do we kind of talk about the process of uh having people step down or step up, uh, especially because we this is a volunteer commission, so everybody has a day job, and because most of us work in the arts world, we also have a day job and a side job and another like hobby thing.

Like that's just that's real.

Like um so talking about what does that look like in terms of um how many sessions and meetings you can actually attend versus not.

Um what does the process look like if someone has extended and not attended and essentially is holding a position hostage because that means that all of us have to be at every single meeting, because if not, then we don't have quorum and we can't do business.

Um something else too was talking about a vice chair, um, because currently we don't have a vice chair.

I think we can probably hold off on that until January when we get back to make sure that again, because if people's terms are up, if you want to step down, then that would be I mean, if all three, I don't know who those people are, and we don't have to say that here and now, but um essentially if all three of those people then step down, we need four people to step up, and that would literally mean that everybody who's still on the commission has to be at every single meeting, um, which is gonna be a hassle.

Um, it's a problem currently.

So we're gonna do our best to kind of uh start just navigate that in general.

I think too luckily it's coming at a decent time where not a lot of public artists coming in.

Uh, but we should definitely try to resolve this at least by March because that's when people are really gonna start proposing stuff again.

Um I would also like to add that um for us to even look in on um how to help people find funding towards it as a commission, really push that right now.

TNT is looking for applications.

Start there's we're changing it a little bit, but it's starting now, like for December.

If you guys, anyone who wants to do a piece of artwork or interest, start getting your information and getting out there and getting approvals because remember, you need all that process done.

So there is funding out there, but I think we should also have a way to help direct artists towards those things.

And those funds are also for performance art, musical things if you want it in your neighborhoods and stuff.

All the TNTs are looking for people to be members of TNT board too, and that helps to um do the funds in your neighborhoods.

So if anyone's interested, I like here short people, but it's a great funding, and it's not that hard to do.

Can we circle back to the new member new commissioner?

That's the process for that.

What's the takeaway on that?

So uh you send me an email with the you recommend I I found it.

So I know the recommendation.

Okay, sorry, yeah.

So um from what I understand, and it it actually so that's also why we need to go into which commissioners, because from what I understand, the so on the commission, there's supposed to be I believe six artist spots and five non-artist spots.

So those are positions that are I mean, we all are kind of in both.

I feel like many of us are.

Um, but I think it's based on how it's categorized.

I don't know which is which, but one is appointed by the mayor, the other's appointed by common council.

So what we are uh what I'm gonna say for now is definitely we're looking for recommendations.

Um again, I know we have officially one spot open, potentially just given again the kind of information we've discussed tonight.

There may be four to five spots open.

The one that's currently open, is that a mayor position or a common guest position?

Not 100% sure.

So that's something that again we can kind of come back in January to confirm and say this is that.

But again, that doesn't um if you have someone in to recommend, I think recommend them regardless.

Um I would like to make a recommendation I have a very good friend named Rebecca Patterson, who is an artist, an art teacher, and uh uh small business owner in Syracuse, and she happens to be right here.

And and I do think that the non-artist position, there were artists in those positions.

Oh, probably I have it right here.

I can read the ordinance.

Yeah, so I I don't think it's like you cannot be an artist.

Right, no, for sure.

And again, like I said, many of us like what is an artist, what's an arts administrator?

What is that?

Because many artists do administrative work for themselves, and many administrators have been in some way evolved in the arts in some way.

So I think the spirit of the rule was to make sure there were at least this many artists.

Yes.

Yes, I think the the idea of it is to ensure that again, it's well again, also that it's not.

Well, but yeah, um, Rebecca, if you would want to maybe introduce yourself and say a little something.

Yeah.

Um hi, I'm Rebecca Patterson.

I have been an eighth and ninth grade art teacher for 18 years.

Um I have run a mural club for my students for I want to say three years.

We stepped back from it this year just as a temporary pause because life got a little overwhelming, but um, I am familiar with the process of trying to walk young people through what that looks like and what is a mural versus just a normal work of art.

Um have very strong ties to the area.

I was born and raised here.

I live a mile up the road.

Um we own a local business and are just very invested in the community as a whole, obviously, with it being where we live.

So I'm very interested in uh just hearing already.

It's already so interesting and hearing things that I hadn't even like considered as a part of what goes into putting a mural on the side of a building.

So um it sounds like something that is a great um learning experience and a good opportunity to work with and meet new artists and just be a bigger part of the art community.

So I can tell you this.

I've been on just starting on this.

I've been using so much in my classroom.

Oh I will tell you we did the walk for the city and we went and saw the I saw the boxes, and one of the boxes was a master book one.

It was cute as can be.

And the kids loved it, and then we saw a plane box, and I said, which one would you like better?

Not give us to say the kids are all four more boxes.

Yeah, yeah.

And you know, I'm in contact with hundreds of young artists every single day.

So it's that's what I'm saying.

Yeah, I had my students actually look up.

That was part of their goal was to look up because there's so much beautiful things around.

For sure.

Rebecca, can you repeat your last name, please?

Patterson, P-A-T-T-E-R-S-1.

I missed it.

That's okay.

Thank you.

Nor Sarah Keith Junior, hi.

I mean, in the past, the recommendations were just sent to Kate or Anne.

And right here, yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

So I'll I have it.

I have the email from you.

Okay, so we're good on that then.

Yeah.

Okay, cool.

Also, to thank you, Rebecca.

Thank you.

Yeah, here we go.

Stand before us.

Um, I stand in front of us all days.

On that, any updates on the public art coordinator position.

So we're re we had to re-benchmark the position because the job description wasn't clear.

Okay.

We talked about last meeting defining the role of the commission versus the public art coordinator.

Yes.

So HR, it's an HR's hands to benchmark and then we'll post it.

Do you have a a rough timeline of when that might be?

I'm hoping soon.

I I don't know, but I'll I'll confirm what HR.

But it's something, it's one of the things at the top of my list.

So awesome.

Yep.

And will you send it to all the commissioners when it's live?

I will.

Thank you.

I will.

Thank you.

Yes.

Awesome.

Um but I I will just just so we know for the um section 51.8 public art commission defines the 11 voting members.

Um, how many are appointed by um council?

My I guess right now, my issue is I don't know who's appointed by who.

Right.

So that's what I'm working with the mayor's office to figure out.

Once I have that, I'll know what positions are open for council.

Yeah, go for it.

Because we both don't do you guys know I personally don't.

Mayor.

Mayor.

Mayor.

Hold on, hold on, so you're too fast.

So three are mayor.

Can the yeah, can the mayor folks raise hands?

Uh I believe I'm also mayor.

Okay.

There's all your five mayors.

And then your council, Emma, are you counsel?

Browser.

Looking at my email.

I'm trying to figure out.

Probably.

I mean, I can easily get it from the mayor's office.

I'm working with them on this now.

Yeah.

That way we know when someone comes in who has the appointment so do I should I should say that I got a letter from the mayor.

I don't know.

Does that mean it was the mayor?

Okay.

We all got letters from the mayor.

I got a mayor, but I know Miss uh you were recommended by the council.

Right.

So I'll check into yours.

Yeah.

Because we all get letters.

Yeah, mine also says from the office of the mayor.

Yeah.

So that's why I put asterisk because I really don't know.

I was supposed to go get sworn in by the mayor, but it was during COVID.

So they're like, you're not gonna do that.

Yeah, that's all I remember.

I was sworn in by the city clerk.

The city clerk.

The city clerk.

Yeah.

Is that I was also sworn in by the mayor.

So yeah.

So again, I think this is something where we can figure, we can go into that because someone has these records somewhere.

So they exist.

We will figure it out and we can make maybe reassess.

Again, that's why I think what's happen what's gonna happen realistically is again we're in December.

Um the holidays are coming up, it's snowing outside.

We're probably not gonna be a lot of people are not gonna be doing a lot of work.

I understand that.

So I think in January we can kind of reassess, relook at some of these things, um, and start putting some action plans in motion to keep them going forward.

Um, because even to something I would like us to start again, this is just a brainstorming.

Um the I know that last meeting we talked a little bit about the master plan and some of the task force that we have in relation to that master plan.

Um that master plan is now probably over 10 years old, if not 10 years old.

Um, so it probably needs some reevaluation.

Um, and even the task force that we initially set up um probably should be re-evaluated on what they're actually doing, what their purpose is, um, what are the things that we're gonna be doing moving forward?

Um so yeah, so those are I think what I need us to say, I think what I'm getting at is that I think there's a lot that's we have to do, but we don't have to do it right this second.

I think that I think this is the truth.

Like there's a lot I think we really are new, yeah.

And that's why we'll be able to do this all together.

For sure.

Um yeah.

For the dates.

I know last meeting you all talked about whether Tuesday is a good date.

I don't know the kind of council chamber schedule.

I did propose for the next meeting.

We'll put out we're working on or the calendar.

We like to put it out a year so that everybody knows when the meetings are.

So the next proposed one, if it's the second Tuesday of the month is January 13th, Tuesday, January 13th at 5 30.

We're talking about potentially changing the day of the week.

No, it's always the second Tuesday.

Okay, but but I mean, I know that's a question that came up.

Is this not a convenient time and or day?

And that's why folks aren't showing up.

I would love it to be not Tuesday.

I would love it to be Mondays, but I don't know if that's possible.

CPC.

Sometimes is a problem.

So I think I don't know.

I mean, Tuesday, I also don't know the chamber schedule.

Yeah, the calendar.

So um, but I just put on there tentatively, I guess January 13th would be the next meeting.

Should we send out some doodle polls?

That's what I do.

I think some I I would happily create as many doodle polls as you guys would like in January.

I think that would be fine.

Yeah.

Well, I think we just the thing with January is we need it to be a month in advance.

So we would need to confirm.

I think maybe No, I'm talking about well, we should probably hold the meeting in January.

Yeah.

And because we'll have a lot of new information by then and whatever.

Um, but as far as like having a yearly, you know, session where we have an educational thing, you know, are changing the date after that.

I'm happy to do those incentives out.

So I'll just have that in my mind on my to-do list, and we'll talk about it again in January.

I think that's perfect.

Yeah, so let's keep the January 13.

And then maybe by that day, we can Devon, maybe you and I can maybe look and see you can see when the chamber is free if you are looking at dates.

So that way we can check.

And then we can possibly decide like a different day if that works better for people.

Because again, too, we might have a bunch of new commissioners.

We'll uh commissioners.

Yes.

Yeah, we won't have any commissioners by them, but hopefully.

No, but we'll we'll know we'll have a better sense of kind of what we're playing with because then we can kind of reassess from there.

Again, I think there's just too many things like influx to pin things down right now is a little difficult.

Um but I do like that idea of like sending out a do the poll and also looking to see like what the general calendar looks like.

So last month we talked about um Maggie.

Maggie?

Yes the we we talked about communication about these meetings.

Yes.

And so I recommend it and I did send out a meeting, a calendar invite.

Is that more helpful than 10 emails asking are you available?

So good.

Much better.

Yeah.

I mean, I got immediate responses when I sent it out.

So moving forward when we bring on a public until the public coordinator comes on, that's what I will do, and I will have them do that as well.

I think that's perfect.

That's just one to check in and see if it worked.

No, that was great.

Thank you.

All right.

I have a quick question.

So for new applicants to be commissioners, they still have to fill out the online form, I assume.

It I don't see it very clearly on the website.

What I would recommend, Emma, for now is just send me a letter, a recommendation.

You sent an email, right?

Alliance sent an em uh email.

Yeah, a quick email saying, hey, I have someone I want to recommend.

How do I go about doing that?

Just send an email.

If I need more information, I'll follow up with you.

Okay.

I don't have anybody in mind, but I was just if we wanted to be there in the city of San Francisco.

Yep.

Yes.

Resident of the city.

And not super important, but like the commission members are not accurate on the website, but I don't know who's in charge of updating that.

So they're not updated.

I noted that today.

Um I've I have someone helping with the website.

The webs we are still in pause with the new website.

But I I recognize that Tina's name is still the um president or the chair.

And so I already reached out to get that changed.

Okay.

So good.

I read it.

And you all added.

The uh parks or just things on the website sometimes take a while to get updated.

Like the volleyball schedule wasn't posted, but that's uh that's a whole of the things.

It wasn't posted.

It was emailed out to us, but it's not like on the website for parks.

It's on rec.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

I'll check this out.

Check all the different fields all at once.

Instead, it's just I send like three emails to Trevor going, what's happening?

Yeah, he posts all those schedules off top.

Sorry, this is not our commission.

Conversation is on record.

It's on rec desk.

Okay.

Yes.

All right.

Anything else from commissioners.

Do you know if they're going to the highway department going to talk to like the TNTs about the artwork that they were gonna put on?

Um they visited us once already.

I'm not sure.

I mean, I can if that's I know they came, I mean they talked about it here.

Are they going to South Side or any of those neighborhoods?

I don't know, that would be a DLT question.

I'm not sure.

I think that's a great question that we've been also asking.

So I've emailed Joe Driscoll, but um serious.

Artwork has been selected.

I've heard.

But and it's it's digital.

You should look at the meeting when they were here.

Yes.

Um I wanna say that was.

I don't want to put words in there, but they they used in-house graphic designers to produce sampl samples.

Samples.

They have that have themes, and then those themes, which are you know, yeah, the dogination one was gone.

Yeah.

Yeah, and then uh people are there.

There's a there's gonna be a public commentary on those themes, but then what gets put on the building is just gonna be artwork by those graphic designers.

From what I tried to nail them down, it's computerized.

Um if you look, they're just like carved in designs released.

So they use the things, but what I was considering is about what images are they choosing to put up there because some of the neighborhood people were asking, you know, who's gonna be able to choose.

I saw a lot of the themes for the years now.

Um at the Inner Harbor.

And that's what they did.

They were in the way when we asked them on that, it was a pretty like we're gonna do what we're gonna do.

Yeah.

And I said, well, can we for the future have conversations about how this commission could recommend local artists and how that could then get worked into like I know that um in Arizona, artists, 2D artists can submit work and it can get transformed into bias relief.

That's a thing that happens regularly and many other public commissions with federal highways.

Um we were smiled at and yeah.

I I would say the what you did of emailing Joe is probably the best and most effective way.

Um and I would just say email him again and keep keep bugging him.

Okay.

Yeah.

And if you have friends, tell them to bug them too.

All right.

Yep.

Okay.

Any can I do that?

I am happy that there will be something, though.

I like I don't want to say to the people recording.

I don't want to sound ungrateful for any amount of art that's getting up.

I just think that there are ways.

So I I love painting.

So I can do that.

I guess yeah, and we want to help get our artist in there.

Okay, well, some transparency.

I do think that they would that the DOT team would come back and talk to us.

Yeah, yeah.

Um, so I don't think that I don't think that what's anything is a done deal yet.

The only one was they said the anodogination one was done.

Sorry, the anodogination one was done.

Their design was they said that one was okay.

I'll just add when they presented at the north side, they presented recently at the north side.

I won't I facilitate TNT meetings on the north side.

They did listen to what the art commission said, and they are trying, they don't have a mechanism to they've never really worked with artists, right?

They don't have that mechanism, so they're they're really looking into it.

Yeah, that would be a great thing for us.

I don't want to be a part like what Thaisha said.

They're really nice, they have the right intent.

I just they don't have the ability to facilitate, and I think this project is roll gonna roll on at a pace that they're gonna have to build as they go, and that might mean making some.

Well, and I and I think realistically, too.

This project is what a 10-year-old in advance project.

Like, this is something that will not be this will be the commission.

We probably may not even all be commissioners by the time these projects are done, and by the time that those things happen.

So I think it's just about being patient, being open, being transparent, and that's what we're trying our best to do.

And again, I think something that at least myself, but I'm assuming most commissioners, like we want to connect artists to these opportunities.

And I think what we're also trying to do is what are some other opportunities specifically with parks as well.

Um, I know that's something that Shaicha and I have talked about how can we, since we're with parks now, how do we make that more solid of a connection?

What does that look like?

Um to even less permanent things because again, these projects that we're talking about are probably gonna be there for at least 20 years.

At least that's what I'm assuming and hoping.

Um, so how can we kind of continue to do the other things?

Um, so yeah.

The other question is do we even have purview over D like a federal highway or when it becomes the 81 business loop, does it cease being right?

It ceased cease being federal property and becomes city property.

I think this is some sort of jurisdiction.

Like I keep applying down to Manhattan um and working down with uh some of them um I get considered I just haven't done anything yet, but um I usually make it to the finalists and like uh they go to somebody else, but uh it's for asphalt art and it's also for getting the ballards all along the highways and the freeways.

Um and it seems to be all driven through NY because that's where I apply to you.

Yeah, unless it's taken over by a different borough.

Um I worked with a few different boroughs down there, and different people, but it all seems to be that yeah.

I think that's something we need to understand.

Yeah, the boulevard will be state.

But if the city wants art or trees in the boulevard, the city will do the maintenance.

Yeah, yeah.

I believe so.

And again, too, I think sculpture.

What we're what we're again, we're in a I think Syracuse in general is at a weird like growth period for a lot of different things for businesses, but also for the arts.

I think uh I started in 2022 with the commission and how much we've done since then and how much it's just gonna continue to grow, especially in this new position.

So again, I think and also thinking about kind of when we come back in January as well, of like what are some of those things that we want to maybe push for.

Um obviously, like we're not gonna paint all of 81 in like a year.

Um and we may not even have a proposal or an artist in mind for a year.

Um, but what are maybe some of those long-term, short-term ideas that we can kind of start putting planting the seeds for moving forward with?

And then putting any artwork on, even the digital stuff.

They had nothing planned for the city at all.

They had it for DeWitt and everything else.

And if you went to the previous hearings, they had nothing budgeted for the city to get any of that.

It was in DeWitt's part of their deal that they got the art on it at a time.

The city had nothing, and then through those community meetings, people complained and said, why aren't we getting art as well?

And they said it has to, you also have to watch the traffic and when they can put it up and what pieces based on traffic flow and dangerous because if people's eyes go to looking at the beautiful stuff.

I would go back to the best person to talk to about all this is Joe.

Joe Druskel.

Yeah, this kind of goes out of our purview as a volunteer commission as well.

And again, we're here to kind of support and assist artists in these initiatives, make sure that they're in the best public interest.

But again, some of these bigger things kind of are out of our purview.

But the good news is it's still good time to get involved.

It's not like done yet.

And because we're having this kind of weird explosive growth, and there isn't sometimes it is good to not have the rules yet.

So keep emailing and try to attend some of the community meetings and speak up so that and tell anyone else, any local artists you know, to be doing that, because I think that's gonna create the momentum.

And we're gonna continue and maybe have more meetings with the 81 people, um, and then they'll that'll they'll understand that this is what the community wants.

Um thank you.

Do I hear a motion to adjourn?

Sure, yeah, I'll motion to adjourn.

Motion, Sophia, second, Lisa, all in favor.

Yay, we're out.

Thank you all for being here.

Uh 610, yeah.

Yeah.

Yes, I just hear that on Facebook.

Yes, yes, yes.

Um, would anybody rebuild it?

Yeah.