This is the Sircuse Landmarks Preservation Board meeting of December eleventh.

Present at the meeting are true.

Julia Marshall.

Hillary Donna.

Amber Dillon.

Kate Oweter.

Thank you.

May I have a motion to accept the minutes of November 20th, 2025.

I move to accept the minutes.

Is there a second?

I'll second.

All any modifications?

All in favor of the minutes is submitted.

Aye.

Minutes are adopted.

Okay.

The board will now conduct the public hearing on today's agenda.

First, the applicant or applicant's representative will be invited to describe the proposed scope of work and to present any material or documentation regarding the uh proposal to the board.

Next persons wishing to speak in favor of the proposal will be given the opportunity to address the board.

Then persons who wish to speak in opposition will be allowed to address the board.

Finally, the applicant or representative will be given the opportunity to make closing comments to the board.

Following public comment, the board may vote to approve, approve with conditions, or deny the application just heard.

The board may also decide to hold its decision until the next public hearing.

Kate will now introduce the first application.

And actually, because uh the applicant for two oh two Berkeley Drive is not here yet.

Um the uh project scope is there's exterior repairs.

Um this is a l uh protect an individual protected site.

And if you hear to get up, and if you don't mind speaking in the I'm sorry, Kate.

You said two of two is not going to be heard today.

No, she's not here here.

So we're gonna make it.

So we're just hopping over to uh to the next one.

Yep.

Good morning.

Welcome to the morning.

Please introduce yourself and give your addresses.

Uh my name's Matt Kroll.

I'm with uh construction design and management.

And uh we've been asked by the owner of this building to repair the turret.

You want to tell us a little bit about the project and what uh intention is absolutely repair is right through here and right in it here.

As you can see, that's actually the insulation that's exposed.

There's actually birds later.

Yeah, there we go.

But our repair would entail you know demoing this area, um framing it with uh metal studs, putting a similar beaded PVC sheathing over this, talking, painting.

Um I don't know if we're gonna be doing it this year, just being you know, we have to paint, you might paint the materials in the shop and then bring them in solid.

But this is basically it, this will all be painted at one time.

Just don't know that.

Same color.

And the material you're gonna use will be able to provide the radius that's showing.

Yes, it's a quarter inch.

You'll be able to bend it.

Yeah, that's the that's the worst of it right there.

Um the interior, there's nothing, nothing happy in the material, nothing's rotting, nothing's wet.

It's just they don't like the way it looks, obviously.

What is this?

This is a piece of metal wall panel, and this is a piece of wall.

Yeah, I was gonna say the presumably original material is is that also metal original?

What is that material?

I don't know.

We had to I had to get a uh uh viability wavelength and still close a side box and we can put a lift there.

Okay.

You haven't been up to the other window.

I didn't try to feel it.

I don't know what it is.

So when you take that off and you're gonna come back with um steel studs and insulation?

Okay.

And you're not touching the windows.

Okay.

So the windows remain they may be they may need to be supported, so we'll put a no by uh and as far as um color?

Same color.

You won't be pan down there in the photo.

There's I'm just looking at the area immediately below further down.

Um looks like there's an area you won't be addressing any of this.

You're gonna repair it or replace it?

And okay.

Okay.

So once we get up there, we'll be able to do it.

Fairly large.

Yeah, right.

I mean, we may have to cut this from here to here.

And well, I guess if you have to cut it and replace it, we'll want to know what material you're using to come back with.

Um I mean, there are good products out there to repair it.

Um Albatron is one, which is a wood uh toxy.

You can just patch and fill in and send it down and mask.

Anything sorry if I could just interfere.

So could you uh will the new panels will that be have a beaded look?

Okay, same sort of dimensions and you know what the product that you're using?

Uh um certainty it has a product, uh materials carries it.

I've used it before ASAC Lura Certainty, which is material that we've approved before in terms of repair.

Are there is is that it for your presentation?

Okay, then I will ask if there are persons here who would like to speak um in favor.

Please come up if there are persons who wish to speak in opposition.

Um other closing remarks?

Okay.

Um any other questions?

Again, just to clarify, the only areas that you're proposing to touch or modify would be the two vertical strips between the windows and look at repairing this section that we just talked about.

Amber, do you want to just zoom out so we see the extent of so it's the upper floor here?

I think I replaced it looks like the other portions around it have been plaid or panned with aluminum or something.

Would you be doing the same with that?

I would probably take this off and whatever I'm gonna replace this with.

I probably have a one by six pieces of ASEC and put it there.

I mean this is just covered up.

And then at the sill of the window, you've got flashing.

Is that a metal flashing then?

I would imagine.

So that would remain.

Okay.

Well, yeah.

Which is kind of in disrepairing.

All right.

Um I think we'll close the public hearing.

Um questions?

Not if there is a motion.

She uh a second.

A second.

Um all in favor?

Aye.

Um any opposition?

Abstentions?

Motion passes.

Thank you.

I saw this right up, Kate.

Oh yeah.

Okay.

Did you see the applicant?

Saw this right?

Yeah.

Um, um the next application.

Um go back up on the agenda uh to CA-25-42, which is a certificate of appropriateness for 202 Berkeley Drive.

Um this is a property that's located within the Berkeley Park Preservation District.

Uh and we're looking at door replacement and new exterior paint colors.

Multiple door replacements and um new paint colors.

So if uh would you like to come that up?

Yeah.

Please uh state your name and introduce yourselves.

I am William Collins.

Can I claim?

I'm William Collins and this is Sarah Collins.

And your address?

202 Berkeley Drive.

Thank you.

Do you want to tell us what you want to do, and you can go up to the screen if you'd like.

Sort of a frosted glass.

Yeah.

Um side door, that's that is an original door, but you can see it's been just it's been beat up.

Um it's really in bad shape.

Uh the inside is all is scratched down from animals.

Uh pets, I guess would be appropriate.

So and then the back, the well, the garage door we're gonna change that has windows missing in it.

Ooh.

We'll get there.

There you go.

There we go.

Um plexi glass up in the top and they're cracked and they're pushing out.

Um so we just want to get something that's a little bit cleaner.

Uh we have pictures of that, and then above that on the porch, the back porch is uh an old slider that was done when they renovated the house back in.

We're not exactly sure when they did the renovation, but it was in the uh late 70s, early 80s.

Um we're just putting a French door in there.

And that's that's it.

Those are the three things, the four things.

The four three doors and the garage door, that's four.

And then uh I I know you'd prefer that we keep the um we don't know whether to call it salmon or coral.

Perhaps we try not to use the word orange.

Um that's what we inherited, but we're gonna um go with a historic color of uh a very, very dark blue-green.

So that's the plan.

Why don't we start with the front door in terms of what you want to replace it with?

Umber, do you have that?

So it's just gonna have the three simple windows going across the top.

Classic um doorknob.

And that color is uh that's a historic um Benjamin Moore yellow.

The yellow is gonna clash with the with the salmon for a couple for a little while until we get the rest of the house painted.

But um so that the what you're proposing is a yellow door.

Correct.

Okay.

Okay.

And then the side door.

The side door is gonna be white inside and out.

Um replacing it with with which one.

I don't see it yet.

Going up.

There it is.

Oh, so it's the same, the side door and the front door will be the same?

Very similar.

Very similar.

Okay.

All right.

Okay.

And then next would be the slider.

The slider, which is just it's plain glass.

There's so it will become a French door.

Correct.

Okay.

And then the garage door, are you you're replacing the entire garage door?

Correct.

Okay.

In kind.

Yeah, and that's what it'll look like.

It's very flat.

There aren't any panels or indentations on it, it's just the three sets of windows.

And it will be white.

Unfortunately, it washes out in the in the image, but I'll just also note that the garage door and the slider are on the back side of the house, not visible from the street.

Correct.

Okay.

And they're both brown.

The slider is brown, the garage door is brown.

Hey, do you have a sample of the color?

Or is this application not including the color of changing the color of the building?

No, it does.

It does.

And the colors are it's in the summary.

Oh.

Yeah, no, I knew it was in there somewhere.

Oh, there you go.

Okay.

All right.

So the darker green nargasset green is the house uh the body of the house, and then the front door is this green mount slow.

Okay.

All right.

The rest of the trim will be remained white.

We made white.

Okay.

All right.

Similar to what we see in the packet.

Yeah.

Is that it?

That's it.

Okay.

Um, is there anyone here who would like to speak in favor of the project?

Uh any persons here who would like to speak in opposition to the project.

Any closing remarks?

I don't think so.

Okay.

Um, sure.

Oh, okay.

Um I'd like to close the uh public comment.

Uh any comments from board members.

Pretty straightforward.

Would someone like to make a motion?

I move to approve the application as submitted.

A second.

All second.

Uh all in favor?

Any opposition?

Abstentions?

Motion passes.

Thank you very much.

Good luck.

People have can't wait until get the other couple.

Gorgeous house.

Good project.

Thanks for slithering down here this morning, too.

We're really excited about it.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

The the next application is uh CA-25-43.

It's 1010 East Washington Street, um, which is uh protected site.

Um this is for selective exterior demolition and repairs as well as the installation of a new um wheelchair ramp.

Uh and it is actually it's closely related to the next application, which is on the agenda um related to um South 201 South Krauss Avenue, which is uh the development of a new apartment building.

Um I don't uh we'll start with opening the public hearing and and if you can kind of walk us through the the project which is in process.

So yeah.

I can do that.

Ready to go.

Welcome to yourself and provide an address.

Sure.

So Brian Bouchard with CHA Consulting, I'm the project engineer.

Uh we also have Dave Mosier, uh project architect with Mosure Architects.

Um I'll give you a brief summary just so you know what we're doing, and then um I'll probably kind of tackle the summary in tandem because it does deal with both the house and the new project, and then hopefully give you the the well-rounded summary and then we can uh answer any questions that you have.

So um if you could just start, I tried to put the slides in order.

Um sorry, yeah, just the survey just so we can I mean you guys know where the site is, but basically this exists as two separate parcels.

So part of our application will be to combine these parcels um uh by way of resubdivision application that'll be concurrent with our site plan review application with the planning commission.

Um after which, you know, we get through the C of A process.

So the front site is 201 South Krause, it's a largely a vacant parcel, there's still a few trees there.

Um and then the one that you see with the house is 1010 East Washington.

So this is the Ignatius Beisinger House.

Uh it was built in 1873.

Um that house originally presented itself to East Washington Street.

East Washington Street, as you can see, is now just a paper street.

Um it's no longer accessible uh for that portion, but it is still part of the city's right of way.

It's just unimproved.

So um as part of this project, combining these parcels and developing them uh is truly really the first step to preserving the house uh that's currently vacant and in disrepair.

Several other attempts, I think some of which maybe predate me, may have contemplated actually demolishing the house to reuse this property.

Um and then most recently I was involved with Dakota residential apartment project where we did come before the board um to use the front part of the site as basically a satellite parking lot to meet the parking demands that were required prior to rezoned Syracuse.

Once rezoned Syracuse was adopted, um we were able to redo or or go through a uh modified approval process with the planning commission um to relieve this property of that parking requirement so that it's now available to be um redeveloped and put back into a better use.

Um the new project, if you could just go to the landscape plan, which is kind of a summary of the site plan just to show you spatially what we're doing here.

The new project um will front on South Krauss Avenue, which is the public street.

Um this is also a portion of South Krauss Avenue that will truly be the northerly gateway uh to the to the Genesee Street corridor.

It's currently being reconstructed.

If you've driven by this prior to the meeting, uh well, aside from the snow, but at least in the last few weeks, you'll see that um New York State DOT has started those improvements for redoing that right of way for north and southbound traffic um under the the new community grid to access the East Genesee Street corridor and University Hill.

Um the the larger project is a five-story um multifamily apartment building that'll be positioned along the property line to the south.

This will allow for the house to still be visible um, you know, maintaining its presentation to East Washington Street, although that's uh a paper street, uh, but that the side of the house as you enter the site will still be visible from South Krauss Avenue.

Um driveway access will be from South Krauss into a parking area for um residents.

Uh and then the area in the southeast corner that's between the new construction and behind the existing house will be an outdoor terrace uh and patio area for residential amenities on the exterior there.

The new building is generally 88 units um with the required amount of affordable units as a mixed income project within the MX4 zoning district, and those new materials on the new building will be a mix of brick, um ACM panels and metal wall panel accents.

In terms of the C of A application, so that was kind of just to tell you like what we're doing with the whole property, right?

In terms of the C of A application and the scope of work associated with 1010 East Washington, uh it's truly to renovate that for continued use for a residential amenity area.

So we'll have a variety of study rooms.

Uh the apartments that are being built are are fairly um economical in terms of their size and and square footage.

So this house will be um brought to life in terms of an amenity area where people can go down for a a study room.

There's a few lounges, and then it'll also be supportive with the leasing office and having a management office in the house so that people prospective tenants can come in and still create sort of a public um public use for the house there as both amenities and a leasing office.

We're talking about 1010.

1010 is the 1010 is the house.

Right.

So I mean because they're two separate applications.

So I think they're related the roll and then we'll and then you'll focus down on 1010.

Correct.

I think we I'm at I'm at 1010 right now.

So 1010 will be renovated for an uh residential amenity area.

So it'll be part of the project essentially, um, kind of coexisting with the new construction.

The 1010 house, um, as I just mentioned, will have a variety of study study areas and offices for people to use uh as quiet space.

There's also some lounge areas for the residents to use, you know, in case they have a birthday party or have people over.

Um this will create, you know, uh a greater use of the house that people can constantly use as a residential amenity.

And then the front portion of the house you can see on the floor plan that there will be a leasing office space so that people can come and go, prospective tenants and have a management office in that building as well.

So this does include renovating both the first and second floor of the house.

Uh there will be no new additions or expansions to the house footprint.

Um incidentally, the interior of the house, considering its age, is actually in really good condition in terms of what's in there.

Um the interior demolition in that case will be limited and be performed obviously in accordance with MPS standards, basically limited to some of the various trim um and other things that may be required to be removed or repaired due to some deterioration and also some mold, some mold issues that are that are in the house.

If you wanted to maybe go through some of the photos as I can look through uh the interior renovation there, you can see that there's a lot of saturated and moldy um plaster areas kind of within the roof.

You can see some of the mold there.

But I mean, even some of the woodwork and trim is actually really in um good shape.

Any severely deteriorated flooring uh would be salvaged and refurbished if there isn't sufficient material to do so.

Um it would be replaced with underlayment and a wood uh grain vinyl plank to mimic the appearance of those original floors.

So you could see some of the plaster that's falling from the roof there, but I mean a lot of like the wood trim and stuff is actually in really good shape.

Um in terms of the exterior, uh trying to leave it as as much in its existing state as possible.

So this would be the existing brick and masonry would simply be cleaned.

Uh the 1890 cornices would be uh repaired and replaced or repaired and repainted in kind.

And then on the west facing facade, there is a covered porch uh that would also be repaired and re um repainted, um, likely having to possibly add a um handrail for access to that uh existing stair that's there.

Demolition-wise on the rear of the house, we did add a couple photos yesterday.

I think you have the rear photos there of the um uh we would be removing the 1980s.

We've called it both a greenhouse slash solarium, uh, which is not historically contributing.

Uh the 1990s door that's kind of inset on the the brick face there that accesses that solarium uh would be removed and that opening would be infilled.

Uh we'd also be removing what you can see just to the right of it, which would be the exterior spiral stair that was built in either the 80s or 90s, uh, which is also not historically contributing.

And there is a second floor egress door that's already been boarded up, but that would be properly um infilled as well.

Uh we've talked to Kate a little bit about ADA accessibility because this will be a publicly accessible building now and having to make up the grade difference because the first floor is um significantly elevated from the existing site and would need to maintain ADA access to that front door, which would really truly be like the public facing door where somebody could come in as a prospective tenant and visit that leasing office, such that some of the other residential amenity areas um you know might be key fob restricted for the resident use there.

So we are proposing to add um a pressure-treated lumber ADA handicap ramp.

The original proposal was to put it on the front of the house because it's most accessible from the sidewalk and parking area.

Um Dave was kind enough to update this drawing to show you two different options for where that ramp could be placed.

Essentially still maintaining access to the front door, which is right here.

This is what we originally submitted.

It is a very long run to make up the ADA slopes and landings and then approach that would be needed.

So that was what we originally submitted.

There does appear to be space to kind of tuck this in on the east facade, sort of behind the building.

So that maybe you wouldn't see it from the street.

The ADA access to that front door and that leasing office.

And then lastly, aside from demolishing those those two non-contributing factors and adding the ADA accessible pressure-treated lumber ramp, uh, we will be replacing all of the windows.

And we've gone back and forth a little bit with some comments from Kate on this, and Dave provided yesterday an updated window schedule that kind of answered some of the comments about what may be existing with standard panes versus divided panes.

We were talking originally about obviously salvaging all the windows.

They're all in fairly good shape, so they can be sanded, refurbished, and repainted in kind.

But I think there were some difficulties in trying to maintain the aesthetic of what's there with some of the divided panes.

So the most recent replacement uh window schedule that you now have simply says that we're gonna re-glaze them in kind and replace the exterior storms with an aluminum exterior storm and screen so that all the windows basically um stay the same as they are today, just with new glass and new storms.

Did I say that right, Dave?

Good.

Sorry, can you just repeat that last resumarize what you just said about the windows?

For the windows, um all of the windows in terms of their frames and sills and everything will just be sanded and refurbished and restained in kind.

The glass will be replaced in kind as single-pane glass, new exterior storms because a variety of them are missing.

Um there is a few that are left.

Um, but for thermal performance, we'll be replacing the um all of the windows with new aluminum exterior storms and screens.

I'll pause there and see if you guys have any questions about either the interior or exterior regarding the house.

Um just talked about the windows.

Are all the windows original?

From what we can tell, they are, yes.

Surprisingly.

So that's original or some are still observation.

Uh they still have a roll we found a bit.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

Sorry?

We're all over here.

Okay.

Uh, just in our okay.

So what I'd like to do is ask if anyone's here to speak in favor.

Anyone here to speak composition?

Any closing remarks?

No.

Okay.

Um, then I would like to leave it.

You can close the public comment that we'll leave the public comment.

We're gonna close the public comment and further discuss.

Um that ramp, how high are you going up to the first floor?

Because it's a considerably long ramp.

Yes, those are quite literally the minimum requirements for ADA compliance and access.

It's about three feet, I think.

50 inches, yeah.

Was there any consideration for a lift?

No.

Um an exterior lift?

An exterior lift.

Just because it's considerably long ramp.

That that's one of my comments.

The other is regarding windows.

Did you consider which is generally acceptable to SHIPO interior storms?

Interesting question.

As opposed to aluminum frame storms, which are not original to the building.

I mean for the first floor version here, but that also maintenance.

Typically do for you know wood frame windows.

And no changes to the doors.

Any other questions from board comments?

I agree about looking into the platform lift.

I do appreciate that you at least gave us the alternative option to put it to the side of the house, because that was one of the first things that stood out to me was the presence of that on the front of the building.

So but I second or third comment about exploring possibly a platform loop.

I see that some of the basement windows are covered.

Will you be reopening any of those?

From our knowledge of what I'll option.

Submitted?

Submitted.

Oh, they did, okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I'd like to suggest that we keep this open.

For because this is continued as well on the advasive property, which still needs to be discussed as well.

Yeah, um, and I think uh consideration of the exterior lift.

Um I my uh my strong sense is that the the state preservation office wouldn't would not approve the ramp in the front as proposed, you know, as originally proposed.

Um so coming up with alternatives to that and perhaps providing a little bit more detail about what either the the side ramp or the lift um might look like in terms of drawings and um question on the back you're just taking everything clean slave.

There's some additional materials there back with all the way over to the right.

Clearing that whole everything out like this clean slate.

Looks like there's a window there.

I think it's hard to clear it.

Yeah, it's just a yeah.

Is there something you guys need approve that keep you going?

Well, yeah, we can uh keeping it open.

I'm keeping it open to the same thing.

So procedurally, we cannot go to the planning commission for the review of the apartment project until we get an approved C of A.

Um it sounds like at the very least we may have to answer the question about the exterior lift potentially at the next meeting, right?

I know that you're interested in talking about the new construction today still.

Yes.

And the lift is something that we can bring back to your very next meeting, I would think, as an answer to that question.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

And then cost maybe we'll have to look at, right?

So if we bring back an answer to the lift versus um ADA access and what we can do to solve that to the next meeting, the only other thing is really comfort with the window program and the window schedules, right?

Um as Dave said, we're kind of open to whatever feedback that you would have, right?

Um should they all be replaced with multi-panes and single panes as existing, or do we want to look at making them all look like the front of the house without multi-panes, or is it best to just leave them the way in terms of the um the multi-pane kind of assembly that is out there?

Well, I guess I'd like to see a review of each of the windows based on what was originally there in terms of it's in the schedule right now, yeah.

It says what each one is.

It may be hard to see on your half-size copy.

But it is small.

It's very small.

Yeah.

So be a good opportunity for the board to be able to review.

What it summarizes though is that the assumption is that they're all original, at least to that dated period, because they do all have you know weighted drawstring.

Um but are they one over one or because it's all required?

So on the front of the building, they're they're one over one.

Yeah.

And the rear really doesn't have windows unless there's something behind that solarium.

A door opening.

So when you do come back, we'd like to understand once the solarium, because this is basically a demo elevation.

What how are you treating the rear of it?

Um, I right, but is it it's open to the interior in what way?

No.

Okay.

And we're following that.

So when you're closing up that door, you're coming back with a brick infill?

And okay.

I have uh actually if you could also update the site plan to show how people would get to the ramp and/or lift um from the the right.

Okay.

Right, because unless I go to the other application, basically everything in here should stand on its own in terms of site plan and approach versus having to go to this application, which we haven't reviewed yet to understand.

Well, I hope it works.

Yeah, you have the site plan as far uh for the C of A application.

It's the same site plan.

Okay.

No, that's right, but it needs to be in this application as well.

It is, that's what I'm saying, yeah.

Um too many pieces of paper.

Yeah.

Yeah, we for the C of A application we submitted the entire package of site plans, grading plans, landscape plans, renovation plans, and exterior elevations of both buildings.

Yeah, I think that's the historic.

Right.

That's what I'm saying.

We need to have it as part of this application.

Right.

That no, I'm telling you.

Is there but it will need to be revised.

Yeah, if we add the lift, we'll have to add the sidewalk and approach to it for sure.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

I kept looking at the stuff you provided, Kate.

Yeah.

All right.

So the answer is yes, there's two existing doors on the back of the um house that will be infilled in kind with with brick and cleaned.

Um we will update the site plan should we get confirmation from ownership about the lift.

I think the windows were kind of maybe where we left off, whether we should be maintaining the um existing multitude of patterns or if if they're all existing window, original existing windows, I guess my thought would be to maintain the divisions as existing windows.

I guess my thought would be to maintain the divisions as the existing windows.

Okay.

And that's the same way it's represented in the uh in the new spy table.

Yeah, the the information that I mean it is given today.

Some of it's an odd configuration, but it is what it is.

And then so from there, we talked a little bit about what's shown now is to replace with new aluminum exterior um external um storms and screens.

Is there a preference to we talked about a few of the other things like maybe the wood, the exterior wood um storms and screens, if that's appropriate.

There's a reproduction manufacturing is a company, a Cherokee's company, um, and he fabricates wood storms and screens, and he does really nice work on historic properties.

Um reproduction manufacturing.

I think we can get you the information.

Yeah.

Yeah, Andrew.

That's gonna happen that you batch up storms with the next year.

On the next year, we'll maintain it.

So the only revision there maybe would be to again when we bring back the answer to the lift is to bring back confirmation of what we're doing with the exterior storms.

Yeah, right.

And just update the elevations to show us what they will be based on all these.

I mean, if once you bring everything back.

Okay.

So any other questions?

We're gonna leave it open to the next meeting.

It's January the 8th.

Okay.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Um but now we have but now you could stay.

Yeah, I'll stay.

You can stay transfer over to the other one, yep.

Yeah, so generally I kind of already went through this in terms of the relationship between the existing house and the new construction, but um what will create the ability to renovate and preserve that house is obviously the investment and the uh remainder of the property to construct the new multifamily apartment building, positioned all the way to the south property line, um, all the way to the frontage of South Krauss Avenue.

This project is fully compliant with the MX-4 zoning district, and it'll contain 88 um multifamily dwelling units.

It's uh five-story multifamily building.

Uh driveway access to the parking area would kind of be exactly what you're seeing here on the site plan.

We do accomplish some of the same grade changes with um a pedestrian access point to a portion of kind of lower level off the street, so that people can walk in directly from the street um into the elevator lobby, and then there's also a handicap uh accessible ramp from the parking area that would go into the first floor.

We did submit the floor plans for these as well, um, four floor plan that so there's the the lower level that you can see that provides the street access, um, some bike parking and utility rooms with the elevator lobby and stairwell for egress, and then that would go up to the first floor where you start to stack the um common floor plan for the residential apartment units.

There is an access point in the rear of the building that would go out to that external uh patio and terrace area that would be the space that's available on the site between the new apartment building and the existing house that'll be used for residential amenities for the the common use.

See some of the perspectives here that they've put together from the street, building materials, as I said, are a mix of um brick and masonry sort of on that water table, lower elevation, then a mix of ACM metal panels and um metal accents for the uh new construction type.

LP smart side, yep.

That's the ramp side.

Yeah, you can see the stone there, yep.

Exactly.

Yeah, this image also portrays the new configuration of South Cross Avenue.

If you looked at the survey, you'll notice that there's about three feet between the property line and the curb currently, so there's not a lot of pedestrian space.

What has been done for New York State DOT is to provide essentially a five-foot separation between the property line and the sidewalk, a five-foot sidewalk, and then a five-foot snow shelf to give a better pedestrian realm along the front of the building.

So that's a significant improvement to access this area and get yourself to Genesee Street as well.

And that work's all been done already.

Objective is kind of merge the two together, the historic building in this one with similarities or as it relates to the actual rear would have kind of colored framework.

Um in the rendering, well, oh, you do have a longer view of uh to look at in terms of heights along the street in both directions for context which you can.

Um yeah, I'm not sure.

I mean, this one in terms of the superimposed buildings behind it that you can see.

That's what we tried to do there, yeah.

And then I think from the other view you actually see the yeah, yeah, the adjacent buildings going there.

Yeah, and then you've got another one in the packet, actually.

Yeah.

Maybe on the other slideshow.

Yeah.

And our charge is here to just comment.

I know we're not looking at the floor plan, but it looks like your your middle row windows there on the end conflicts with room layout wall that dies right into that leaf from the submitted packet partitional right there that lands right on that center window.

I guess one of my comments most of the 1010 building is visible from the drive and parking area, but in the back corner of this building, it seems to really encroach in terms of that building.

I mean, especially if I look at one of your looking at the site plan.

Well, I'm looking at the site plan, but then there's also a view in here.

Find it again.

Great that you give a lot of paper, but I didn't in in this view when you're in the parking lot, you know, back there it seems to feel really tight next to the existing building.

And um from a safety point of view, I'd have an issue with it.

But whether that's a planning or zoning issue is another question.

Yeah, I mean to the obvious answer to that is really like economics for the project, right?

If we had a much smaller building, um the project wouldn't be able to be constructed.

So you know, we did try and incorporate those spaces together, and it creates that little nook that we're using for a terrace in the back rather than trying to connect it to the house or extend that even further toward the rear, would it would kind of notch it out?

Um I appreciate that it's not connected at all.

Um, but I it just seems to me, in my opinion, that it's a little bit cramped back there.

And I know you have you, you know, in plan you're showing, you know, um an exit stair and the laundry.

Um other comments from the board.

Now at this point it needs to go to planning or zonings.

Uh yeah, this will be held from the December 15th meeting.

It's gonna be postponed until next year due to site inf inefficiencies we're working in our office about.

Yeah, so I have um a couple of other unrelated comments like providing a traffic letter and you know, some other questions about bike racks and parking calculations.

Um so we won't be on the planning commission meeting for December 15th, but there is a meeting I think that probably will be prior to your meeting.

I think it's on the 5th, January 5th for CPC.

The next meeting, CPC is January 12th.

January 12th, okay.

I tried doing that every three weeks, and I knew it was a new year, so it was probably a bit more of a gap this time.

Um January 12th.

So these are really separate and independent applications.

So if you have the ability to make your referral, that may free us up to go to the planning commission with or without determination on the hopefully the windows and the lift that we can come back on the eighth for, um, and then have both referrals available for the CPC on the 12th, right?

That's a possibility.

I can't tell you one way or the other, but it's a possibility.

Okay.

I I would say um, do you think do you anticipate that there'll be changes to the site plan uh based on the site uh deficiencies?

No.

The only change may be if we delete, or obviously we're being directed to delete the handicap ramp to that front entryway, we would make the path of travel that connects that more simple.

Okay, then that would be part of the 1010 that would be part of the C of A application.

Um that piece.

Um so if the board has comments that they would like to make um regarding this the this one um understanding that there may be some additional since then the next uh LPB meeting is prior to the um the CPC meeting, um there is still the uh an opportunity, but if there's some guidance that you can get the the last discourse project based on this rendering, is the stone base gonna be carried all around the building?

Because it's showing up white on the side, you know, on the parking side.

Yeah, I think the white is probably the sidewalk.

Um I think the stones are on the front and the rear.

Correct, yeah.

That's fine.

So you could see in the lower image it looks like looks like an exposed foundation.

Yeah, I mean there's well there's there's the sidewalk, but then as it goes back on the site, it appears that part of the the uh below the first floor level, there is vertical face of wall and it's showing as white.

So I'm asking if the base of the building as you travel back into the parking lot.

Okay.

That you're proposing.

Um the materials, yeah.

So it's it's Dave can correct me if I'm wrong, but it's the ACM um metal panels with metal wall accents, and then also the um LP smart siding, and then the stone that we talked about with the with the front there, yeah.

Yeah, the stone base here is a several carrier.

This is all basing up metal given a high row picture frame uh aluminum for front blazer on the front, and then we return it on each side the front where the building comes in a couple feet, so we bring that we then we add some LP smart thread, seven inch exposure twelve inches with L smart side panels.

And on the back, we bring the brick back, we introduce the brick back instead of earlier kind of bookcases for book out the middle of the wooden print.

Have you thought about using a window on the street facade that's more in keeping with the windows elsewhere that you're using on the lateral facades?

Well, we try to maintain the the really older of the exit stair.

Of the corner, right?

Right.

We want to maintain that same distance.

I I I guess I would say kind of well the windows on this is the front facade.

And you know, if I didn't know the plan, I would assume those were you know bathrooms.

Because they're quite small, they're also rendered in white.

Oh, you all these ones here.

Yeah, yeah.

No, there's we're just trying to add a punch little punch there.

And uh trying to on the plate the end unit that are here, trying to not interfere with the layout over there just feels a little bit more.

Well, I guess uh you know otherwise it would interfere with that front unit layout if we use the same kind of these windows.

Well the way the blank side there is the way it's it's rendered, the sill height of of those windows and in that are very high.

And um I I guess my recommendation is to revisit the front, it is the front facade of the building, and it I would revisit the the facade of the building.

Um as Kyle already pointed out, you have one window that's being you know, there's a partition dying in the window, and the other windows and a hallway, so it seems like there is opportunity.

Right, and I think that there's an opportunity there to open it up and we could definitely take a look at see what you get.

My only other comment to would be I'm so they're rendered a different color.

Is that intended to be white?

Is that like a mill then?

It's just because it just said from the rendering of some of the sunlight, they're always trying to get almost exact sometimes from renders or low.

Wait, are they intended are they intended to be a black frame or intended to be to match the aluminum?

Oh frame from the black.

Yeah, it shouldn't be yeah, yeah.

And every time I talk to the render, and he's like, well, I'm like the kiln button.

So I guess the recommendations would be to revisit the front facade um to update the uh elevations to express the base of the building um the stone base that that's uh rendered in the front that it carries through.

I still also recommend that you revisit the back corner um give a little more breathing room to um 1010.

You happen to know offhand.

I was trying to scale that off I can tell it's somewhere between like seven to ten feet is what it looked like.

Sounds right, the walkway that you see there, I think is five feet.

So overhanging at 1010, it's probably at least 18 inches or 24 inches, right?

We're looking at the footprint of the building.

And and it would be good to know what your I can't read these landscape notes, but the um whether it's shrubs or trees that are in between 1010 and this building.

Because the area is quite small, and if it's trees, no, they're yeah, they're shrubs.

The trees that you would see are the one the one that is placed as a shade canopy.

Um kind of in that back notch there.

The rest of them are representative of their mature size, their shrubs, yeah.

I was hoping that they were not trees.

You might the root system would destroy something.

Oh, yeah, for sure.

So would you consider additional plantings around the front of the building if we're eliminating that front.

Yeah, we had that, right.

What we would do is you could see where the handicap ramp is from the parking area.

Still trying to create a foundation planting zone, and then get the sidewalk basically to go straight from there to the landing of the stair, and or wherever the ramp or the lift would end up, right?

But yes, we can wrap that um front of the house with that landscape bed as well.

So we take it from these plans.

None of these apartments come with laundry equipment since you're showing a laundry room.

Yeah, that's a good thing.

So these are all studio apartments.

Correct, yeah.

Any more comments from the board?

Those are lines.

Okay.

Very good.

Thank you much.

We'll see you on the eighth.

We'll see you next month.

Appreciate it.

Happy holidays.

Okay.

Um so that ends our old business, new business.

Um just quickly to um there isn't actually much of an update.

There um uh the final piece was uh under discussion correspondences.

Uh the common council resolution 31-R, the exemption from certificate of appropriateness applications.

Um we're still in a holding pattern um uh uh as as we were at the last meeting as we discussed that um the uh uh zoning department referred uh the application back to um uh uh common council requesting the environmental um assessment information which includes impacts to historic resources.

So uh uh until uh that is submitted to zoning, the application will not be complete.

Um once it is complete, it will then it then can go to the county planning board and and CPC, the the city planning commission to uh for its review.

So we are at present in a holding pattern, and if anything changes, I'll certainly let you know.

Thank you.

They're working on it or total I don't know.

Yeah.

I have a motion to adjourn.

Motion to adjourn.

Second.

All in favor?

All right, thank you.

Uh and this is the last meeting of the year, so thank you everyone for your amazing service to the city of Syracuse and looking forward to working with you in the new year.

It is a real honor.

Can't town can't dwell, didn't come with the cookies.

Oh, with the cookies, no cookies this year.

I'm sorry.

Um yeah, yeah, in previous years we had cookies that would come.