Public uh public works and infrastructure committee meeting.

I'm the chair, Chol Madjok.

I'm joined by Councillor uh and Aaron Rike and right.

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I'm sorry to the other day.

We're gonna get it right.

Yeah, and right.

And Aaron Right.

Council Moore, Council Nave, Council Cardwell.

Now President Did you just say one of the things?

And and President uh Penawa.

I'm joined by the commissioner.

Commissioner, uh thank you for coming.

Uh we are here today to talk about the issues around lead in the pipe in the around residential, as far also as far as the pipes.

So the this meeting is going to be twofold.

The first part is going to talk about the testing part of uh part of the lead.

The other piece is going to talk about the pipe replacement.

So it's a two-piece.

And what I wanna do is give the commissioner the floor to run us through.

We have already had a conversation and uh put in a request for him to outline this this issue.

So we're gonna give you the floor and let's hold out questions until he's done, and then we can we can go into discussion.

Fair all right.

Yeah, sounds good.

So sit somewhere else in terms of the screen.

No, I'm not gonna use that quite yet.

Okay.

I'm gonna I'm gonna give you a little update on the water sampling.

So the City of Surge is required to do two semesters of water sampling a year.

First semester, which runs from January to June, second semester, July to December.

We have just finished our second semester for the 2025 season.

Um we haven't we've got the results, we haven't made them public yet.

They have to be approved by the EPA and the Department of Health, but they've come in under the 15 parts per billion action level, which is the EPA standards, um, for the third testing cycle in a row.

Um we had 120 water do our sampling.

They've done it for the last two semesters.

The first half of 25, the second half of 25.

We are now entering into a contract because we put it out for RFP out for it with TruPonti, who's another company that does the same kind of sampling.

Um the testing will be exactly the same.

It'll go you'll get something in the mail.

And we have to test a hundred homes per semester.

So you'll get a we we try to test the same homes so that way we can you know make sure our water treatment's working, or orthophosphate is working um in these homes, and we we break them up throughout the community so they're on every different side of town, and uh there's tier one testing, which they have to be a single family home in New York State, um, with a lead service line that meet the tier one criteria.

Um Trupani won the contract, they are going to do it the in the same pattern as 120 water did.

Uh you'll get a mailing, you'll get a update, you know, saying that the testing is begun, asking if you want to participate.

Um once you s you know, say you want to participate, they'll send you a sample kit in the mail.

You'll take your sample, you'll put it in the mail, it goes directly to the lab.

There's no middle people touching the sample, it goes from home to lab.

And then we'll get our results and we wait till we get a hundred or more samples, and at the end of June of this year, we'll have our first half of 2026 sampling done.

And that's how we do our testing.

We ask questions or you want to look, I'm waiting.

So we'll move to the next portion, but yeah, follow up with these.

No, I just wanna no, go ahead.

Just go ahead.

We'll we'll save it because you might answer it.

He might answer it.

He might so that's go ahead.

And um, I lost training thought for a minute.

So that's how the sampling pool works, and I just want everyone to know.

We don't sample, we sample our water through the homes.

We know the homes have lead service lines, so any home that has a lead service line has a potential risk for lead content, lead leaching into their water through the service line.

The reason why we test these homes to make sure our treatment's working, you know, because we have to treat our water EPA requirements to reduce the risk of lead leaching into your water, and that's how we treat it with orthophosphate.

Um, right now, our sampling pool, we're in works with the EPA, and we're in works with an engineering company.

Um Cadmus group, and they're working through Jake Wins, and they're going out right now and doing some sampling on their own to help help.

Say that again, Casmick.

Cadmus?

Cadmus group.

C A D US.

Okay.

And they're going through, we're doing harvesting, taking out lead pipes out of the ground, and they're doing the the first and the fifth liter samples in these homes, and it's going to help us know what we have to do to if we have to increase our orthophosphate, what we have to do to help us meet the regulations and requirements coming by the EPA because the standards are gonna drop lower in 2027 from 15 to 10 parts per billion.

That's in the same food rate of these other hundred um homes that you are separate tested homes.

They have been in a lot of them have been in our sampling pool before.

Um they volunteered, it takes more time.

This is the company themselves go into the home first thing in the morning and do the sampling.

So the homeowners don't touch them at all.

They'll do the sampling right in the home, the engineering firm, and that's going to help us understand what we have to do for our water treatment to get better quality of water through the lead service lines.

So do you have any?

I mean, now that you're you're telling us this is information for the public.

People have a lot of concerns.

What is your concern right now with this so far?

My concern?

Or do you not have any concerns?

I do not have any concerns.

So you think that I mean I I wish we could remove every lead service line in the city like tomorrow.

You know, as a city residence, I have a lead service.

Um, I know many people in this city that have been born and raised in the city that have lead service lines.

I wish we could replace them all tomorrow.

Due to construction demands, um, there's a lot involved in replacing a service line.

Um we're being very proactive.

We haven't slowed down one bit since the beginning of 2024 doing service line replacements, and every time the contractors finished, I give them more to do.

So we've continuously went, even before we kick off our lead replacements that we're doing through the private side only sample, I mean our replacements.

So I do have concerns, but do I feel the community's at risk?

There's things they can do to reduce that.

That's run their cold water, use a use a filter, um, especially for people with young children or underlying illnesses.

Um, but as far as our water, the water side of things, I don't feel we have I think we're doing the most we can.

We're nothing is different for us in the city of Syracuse as it is nationally.

We have great, we have you know, really quality water coming out of Skine Atlas Lake, and we're doing everything we can to be proactive on replacing these service lines, treating these lines with orthophosphate until we can get to them.

We're still giving out Berta filters, we're still doing everything we can to expedite the this this issue with the public.

So, how much at this point have you replaced?

I want to say sorry.

I want to say we are up to like so we were required, just so we we all know.

We were required to do a once we had the the exceedance in the first semester of 2024, we were required to do a certain amount of replacement service line replacements, but we're only required to do the public side service line replacements.

We didn't have to do the private side.

Unfortunately, I took on more than I thought I could get done.

I had full service line replacements.

I didn't want to leave when we left there, I wanted to leave no lead in the ground.

So I tackled it as a full service line replacement.

So we didn't meet the mandate required by the EPA to replace the number of service lines.

Are you going to keep doing full service?

So I know there were some constituents that received letters saying that they were responsible for partial private.

Are we going to continue moving forward for the rest of them to do full service?

So there's a letter going around now to constituents about some insurance saying you're responsible for your um private side service line and trying to get to sell insurance.

We the city are standing behind.

We're going to replace full service lines.

When we come to your home to replace the line, we're not leaving until it's it's led service.

So how does that impact the budget?

Because now you're replacing more than you were.

So we we we kind of planned on that, and that's what I was going to go in when we get to the next phase about led service.

And about the budget and where we're getting the finances and how we're moving forward with this.

So before we move there, just for the viewers, will you define the full service line?

What does that mean?

So we have a slide.

Can I can show you?

So the full service line is from the water main itself to the meter in your home.

The difference is from the water main to the curb stop, which is like a stop in your and it's usually in the front of your yard in the city's right-of-way, it shuts the we could shut the water on and off.

From the main to the curb stop is the public side of the service line.

And from the curb stop to the meter is the private side, which is residentially owned.

And you were replacing all of it up to the hot to the to the meter.

So we we are obligated to replace it all as of 2027.

That will be the new EPA mandate.

How we get funded for that is on us to figure out, but we are required to replace the full service line.

Um we've already been proactive on that.

We're doing full service line replacements now.

We're not going in and just doing half the service because we probably could have met the mandate if I just went in and did half the services for every house, but then I would have to go back in 2027 to replace them all, like we're going to do right now for the 2900 service lines we have to replace because we left the private side lead in the ground.

And just so everyone's aware, even when we replace that service line, it's still going to be a public and a private.

The homeowners will own the private side service line.

The city doesn't own that side of the service line.

We're just going to replace it per EPA requirements.

So quick question Do you have uh a plan of what neighborhoods you're doing when?

Is there like a plan that you could post for people to see?

So could you go to the next slide?

So this is the plan right now.

These are the areas that we're kicking off our lead service line replacement program.

These are all homes that have had previously had the public side replaced, and the lead was the private side was left in the ground.

The reason why we're tackling these homes first is so we could plan a bigger because it's a bigger scale project because you're going to be tackling the right-of-ways.

You have to coordinate with you know DPW on tearing up sidewalks, curbing roads when you do full service line replacements.

This is going to get us so we can continue on when we build this bigger plan to start with these homes first, because all we have to do is work from the right-of-way to the meter, and then they'll all be lead-free homes.

Commissioner.

Now, many of these homes that we're targeting, these homes are well over 100, 120 years old.

So is this is this common?

The lead because of the age of the homes that they've been collected.

Right.

So these were these were done in the year 20 2005 through through uh 2007.

They were randomly picked throughout the city so we could cover different neighborhoods.

And that's why we're tackling these homes first.

And just so we're all on all, you know, know what's going on.

So when we come in and we replace whenever it may be, all the service lines in the city of Syracuse.

We're still gonna treat your water with orthophosphate.

Because it just because we remove the service line doesn't re mean we remove all the lead out of your home.

Because your plumbing may have lead, your your pipes may have solder, your faucets, older homes have old, you know, sinks and faucets, and they could still have lead.

So we'll therefore we'll still treat the water.

We just won't have to worry about that lead service line coming into your home.

Right.

And the breed of filters is not gonna solve the problem until we change it, but it's used as a precaution.

Precaution.

If you feel at risk or you feel, like I said, you know, younger children, or if you have, you know, any kind of underlying illnesses, and whatever, you know, whatever makes you feel comfortable.

Right.

You know, if you feel more comfortable using a Brit of filter, then that's what we suggest you do.

Okay.

Okay.

I just wanted to commend you for thinking ahead in terms of the full service line replacement.

I think it's very important that we have fully lead-free homes in the city of Syracuse.

And I also wanted to say that observing the crews working in the Westcott and East Side areas, they were unfailingly professional and seemed to really do their work well.

So I wanted to just say that.

Um just as a metric.

Which again, I understand we didn't meet the requirements, the AP EPA.

How far short short did we fall in terms of numbers?

I think we replaced like 800, and I'm not sure the number was 1,500.

Okay.

So we weren't too far off.

Right.

We weren't too far off.

Thank you.

And then to to replace the private side of it, the homeowner, what's the process to?

Because you have to dig, there's gonna be a whole so you need a permission from the people that live in these homes.

That's the first thing.

How do you how do you do that?

So we'll uh our contractors will communicate with the home, you know, the the residents, the homeowner, on you know, schedule a time for us to make access to their basement, um, because we need access to the house to do the legislature.

I don't see anybody saying no, but oh, you'd be surprised.

There's some we've had to we we have to log it how many times we ask them, and if they continue to say no, then we j we can bypass that home.

So I'll still I'll still replace the private side because that's what we own.

But the public side, if they're not gonna let us in their home to do it, then there's nothing.

A lot of them have like a so if it's a renter rather than an owner, does that constitute a problem or we haven't came to that yet?

You know, um look, it's a free service line replacement.

Hey, yeah.

You know, you I would suggest taking it when it when it presents itself, you know, um, because it's very costly.

Um for the 800 that you had replaced, is that the map of where they were replaced?

That so where were they replaced?

They were replaced on our larger scale projects.

So we were doing pump station projects.

So wherever our pump stations were, we were replacing the lead service lines in those areas.

So they would be Eastwood.

We just did the Mosley, so we were replaced all Forest Hill, replaced some of Sunny Crest, some of Mosley, um the university area, and even when the project ended and we replaced all the service lines, I kept going.

I kept moving street to street to keep us actively moving on replacing service lines.

So when people, you know, I get a lot of emails and calls from Castellians concerned about our water, right?

And it's very um important that we discuss that and concern their concerns about the lead and the water.

Do you think that the piping from we know Skinny Atlas water?

We know that's one of the better waters, but is it from the pipes that are traveling from Skitty Atlas, those main pipes that are leading in?

Are those need to be repaired?

Are those the old ones?

Well, everything needs to be repaired.

I mean, we got a hundred plus-year-old system, but they're not causing any effects for through lead.

The lead is re-introduced when it meets at the main in front of your home.

The service line that was tied in by whoever built the home, how many years ago was the what we're looking to replace.

Our water from Skinny Atlas to the front of your house is lead-free water.

All the pipes in there are they're predominantly new ones.

Is that what you're saying?

No, they're a hundred years old.

Our intakes in our conduit coming from Skinny Atlas Lakes, a hundred years old, but they're made out of steel and cast and ductile iron and sometimes hollowed out Adirondack logs.

Yeah.

We don't have that.

Was a thing back then.

So it you know, you made it a point earlier.

Are you are you also at a constant?

Oh, yeah.

You made a point earlier about you know, replacing the public side, the private side.

But by then the piece within the home may be lead-contaminated pipes.

And you said and you said that the treatment of the uh phosphate that is.

orthophosphate.

Or orthophosphate.

With that treatment, how effective is that?

It's been used for years, so it's pretty effective.

It coats what it does is it coats the lead.

So it causes it creates like a barrier between the lead and the water.

And that's why they tell you to when you in the morning when you get up to flush your system, because you're pushing new water through your line that has ortho in it, which coats your lines.

So any leaching that could have happened where your pipe sat overnight for eight, 10 hours where you slept, you're rinsing that out of the system.

That's what you're potentially doing when you run the cold water in the morning.

You're you're rinsing your system and putting fresh water in because our water is fresh from the main end.

So that's why they worry about long-term like people that go on vacation and leave their house for a week, they should come home and flush their system their cold water.

Later on, yeah.

Okay.

Put all new water through their you know your pipes.

Okay.

Okay.

So a person that was fortunate to have both the private, private and public replaced.

Shouldn't really worry much of the inside.

If they have the ability to replace it, yes.

Right.

But shouldn't be a you reduce the the risk removing any lead.

So we're moving a lot large section of it that the water sits dormant in overnight.

We're redo we're removing that.

So it it reduces the risk of lead exposure to your pipes.

What was your projected number?

I think I missed that.

You said you fell short.

We are we're supposed to do 1,500 private side service lines.

15 was public side was the EPA mandated.

That's why we all got that letter saying we didn't meet the requirement.

We did 800 full service line replacements.

Oh, so you you planned on doing the 1500, not over.

Right.

But probably if you would have stuck with just the public side, we probably would have got judgments.

We could have probably met the mandate.

I would say yes.

But the EPA requirements are changing.

So 2020.

Right.

November of 27, the EPA requirements changed to you have to do full side service replacements.

So the the changes in the testing mechanism, because 120, uh, when 120 water, right?

120, 121 water.

When 120 water was doing the testing, right?

That's when we had those issues early on.

With the concerns, right?

That's when we started using using uh third party sampling.

So this is why we transitioned to the true because the council asked us because we got an emergency, we got an emergency waiver so we could start the testing with 120 water, because that was the company was suggested to us through Buffalo.

Right.

And then once we went to 120, we did that for well, we investigated and we reached out to multiple sources.

Okay.

So we with True Fonti, have have we seen the sample of their work and how reliably.

We have they do St.

Paul, Minneapolis, they do almost all of Texas.

Um they do a lot of different places.

We are going to be the first one in New York State that they are doing because they're looking to you know get into the state.

They're using the same exact lab as 120 water used.

Okay.

So it's going to be kind of the same.

They're going to the same lab, same, everything's going to be pretty much the same.

Except for it's just a different different company.

And you have talked about two semesters.

Have they started the work already?

They haven't.

Okay.

So when it's still waiting through for the contract to go through law to be approved, but that's under that's you guys already you guys already voted on it, and now we're just waiting for the paperwork.

Okay.

But they're they're waiting, they're they're they know we're coming to them.

Okay.

Um go ahead.

So the um you said that 120 was recommended to you, but I know that a lot of the um lead um service providers in Syracuse um or organizations were extremely upset about um us utilizing 120.

And so I'm not sure who recommended it, but did you talk with them about this, the next company that we went with at all the 120 water bottom?

No, no, like the organizations that work with lead in Syracuse.

We didn't because they had voiced their opinions.

Um they strongly opposed 110 or 120, what is it?

120.

120 water.

Um when we hired them, and I also thought that we were being overcharged, and that what was true.

Um, so I just wanted to know did they have an opinion about this new company?

They did not.

We put it out for RFP, we did all our homework on them, and we called all their references throughout the country.

Um, and then we and then we had a meeting.

And that's how we did it.

Um I remember I remember there was a time crunch that we were going through, and we were with 12 water.

Right.

We had to get something quickly.

Right.

Um they were suggested out of Buffalo, because that's who Buffalo uses for all their sampling.

They've used them for years.

And there was a couple other people I can't remember who we contacted in New York.

They utilized 120 water.

And that's why we went with them.

Because at the time we were under we were under crunch to get it moving because we have to meet the deadlines first semesters, which we were very fortunate that they worked with us because we kind of got really into it late in the first semester with them.

So they had to really do a lot of footwork to get these hundred plus samples out to these homes.

But thank God for our public, you know, we had a lot of participants that wanted to participate.

So is that gonna open off to other homes and other Bright DC vents at some point?

So you want to have continuous testing though.

Right.

So we we also add it in some language with Trupani where we can do some of our own sampling, so we could test the two family.

Um it wouldn't count towards the EPA, you know, our action levels with the EPA, but we could do some extra testing in-house for our for our own resources.

Do you think based on the water quality standards that we have right now that we're gonna have a difficult time meeting the new 10 parts per billion metric?

Well, I hope after the study with the uh engineering group and the EPA recommended to us that we'll get below that.

I think we can so I I want to stick around with the with the testing a little bit around the thing the how we help residents that we have identified are experiencing high lead levels, such as filters and uh and and you you said earlier two two mechanisms filters and let your water run.

How do we how do we make sure that they are getting filter?

How do we make sure that the education is there?

Because it seemed like if you're asking somebody to have their water run, it seemed like that's that's you know, a child, I I I have kids in the house, right?

A child is not gonna when it's Thursday, a child is Thursday.

They they go for the water.

They're not gonna let it run, nothing.

So how do we how do we how are we helping the parents and the guardians to make sure that they that there's their education and how are we getting them the filter that they need if there is a mechanism to get them?

Right.

That's you know, they they can reach out to the water department on our lead, um lead-free Syracuse on our there's a site where they can call and request we get it, you know.

In the beginning we had a ton of people calling, we supplied, it's definitely has slowed down over the last year.

Um these letters going out, it's picked back up a little bit.

People, you know, just you know, they got a new you know, notice in the mail.

Um I don't know, as far as having kids myself, I don't know if my water ever sat for six hours without being used.

So I never really thought about it.

You know what I mean?

Now that you know I don't have children in the home, you know, in the morning I turned the water on, you know, when I fill my coffee pot, I let it run until I feel the temperature change, and then I you know, fill the coffee up.

I mean, um so so with with with with supply based on demand, you know, somebody asking basically.

Have we taken maybe extra step to maybe work with local organization?

Because I thought I thought initially have we made sure that that effort continue or I go on um I don't I have to say I don't I get so many meetings I go on to who do I want to meet with?

I'm sorry for the led uh led coalition left C and led's led safe C and Y coalition.

I go on all their meetings when they have them.

Um I talk about you know our drinking water.

Um I tell them that there's still Britta filters available.

They've picked them up.

Um we've given them to other groups, organization groups if they wanted a few when they do like you know their handouts in the community, we give them Britta filters.

We've tried to work with them every way we can.

And we meet with LED save who's so you leave them.

I do.

I I go to every monthly meeting.

Um I've been on their monthly meetings.

I when they ask me to speak on their meetings, I speak on their meetings, give them update what's going on with the water system.

Um Latoya, and I I have a really good relationship with her.

So have you taken some of these filters to them and say here you go, you can distribute them or they've asked for them.

And we've given them um we will work with every anyone that wants to work with us, we're willing to work with us.

Have you ever thought about taking them to uh some of the community centers to pass out to people there?

So we haven't done that.

I mean, in the beginning we gave out six thousand Brita filters when we had the exceedance.

Um we haven't done that since because there's a database we're supposed to keep track of who we give them to.

Um make sure you have a lead-free home.

We've given them to you know, grandparents that have called and said, you know, I have my grandchildren most of the time.

We give them to them.

Um you're fine, go on.

Um, so we've been total participation with anyone that wants a Britafilter.

So two things.

Um based on supply, as Councilor Major mentioned.

The areas that have currently been replaced, you said they were close to the pump stations.

Are we doing our due diligence and trying to get those replacements to homes that have children in them?

So this is I think this is the next step we're doing with the homes spread out through the city.

That's 3,000 homes we're going to do.

I'm sure there's children that live in some of them homes.

But how are we identifying that?

I'm not I can't go to door to door and knock and ask if you have a child.

And you don't have to go door to door.

You can send out a letter telling people to re send some information back.

There's things that we can do.

I understand.

So this is we're talking a huge financial on the city.

So for me to go to your house because you have a young child and go three blocks over to do a house because they have a young child, we are taking pockets of the city and doing whole streets at a time.

Yeah, I understand that.

Um but if we have a uh whole street full of seniors um who probably aren't at risk, and there's a whole nother street adjacent to that that has youth that could benefit from that.

I would prefer that the homes that have the youth in them.

So this so this round of replacements we're doing right now are the private side only that we've already replaced the public side.

So that doesn't change for us.

Some homes have already been done.

We're going in and because we have a grant that'll cover that whole 30, 2900 homes.

As we're doing that, we're working on a larger scale citywide replacement, inventory, citywide replacement.

And a lot of that is going on equity score, um children, communities that have lot, you know, more children than than other communities.

Um so we're already planning that out.

It just takes so I think in collecting that data, you could have done that already when we handed out the Brita filters, we could have asked for family size information.

That probably would have been a good idea, and it's not something that you can't do moving forward.

Um, my next question was um for those who already received the Brita filters, are we doing replacement filters?

Is that in the budget?

We have put that out there.

Anyone that wants one can come pick up thing.

We we we're in contact with WIC.

We've been in contact with all the programs.

Um there's not a whole lot of takers on that anymore.

Most I could tell you this, most of the people I know that took a Britafter, it's probably in their trash.

They said it was took too much room in the refrigerator, it didn't taste right.

I had so many complaints about the Britta filter.

Commissioner, one of the things that when we first talked about this is a couple years going in.

We talked about um collaborating with the school systems.

Have we talked to the schools?

Have we been in the schools?

Have we been giving them information, making sure that you know the schools say, you know, even signs are to say make sure when you run your water, you give it a few seconds before you drink the water.

Um, those things make sure that our kids are educated in that process.

So in in the when when we first started this in 2024, we gave Britta filters to all the schools ages one through anyone that was from kindergarten to like first grade, I believe.

Every city school, every charter school with young children, we gave them breta filters to give to all the homes.

Um we didn't like look for information whether you had a service line, we just gave it to every child to make sure every child had one.

Um we under age five though, right?

It wasn't every child, it was under six, six and under.

But we haven't did any continue education where we're like, hey, we gotta make sure that because it's not a one-time thing, you know, right, right.

And we are working on our educational stuff with comms, and we've been working with the EPA on our educational stuff that we're gonna be doing um as we move forward.

So with with with as you can hear from the counselor, I think I think the effort is there.

I think the the consistency is what we are pushing for, you know, to consistently push for that education because I think if we we can it do help people understand that fighting lead is not just gonna be coming from the city by itself.

That's a part of it that individual need to put in, right?

And that that's that's that's an element of education that needs to go into that.

So I I don't uh maybe what we are saying is that it's probably important to be sending out notices, just like you do, maybe when you send out a notice, maybe put in the bold letters that let your water run, pick up a filter and put the address there that there's filters.

You see what I'm saying?

Pushing out those education, and again, when we had this meeting initially, we had proposed that rather than just working with let collision, also try to try TNTs where those community members go.

Try some of the libraries, try the community centers, you know.

Try to try to push like that, and the schools, you know.

Consistently.

I can tell you this.

This has been a since 2024, this has been a non-going project for the city of Syracuse.

Not one person I could say in the water department staffing has rested on the sled replacement and trying to expedite it, seeking grants, seeking funding, seeking educational, working with comms every day.

Um my engineers are in constant contact with Seoul.

We are in constant contact with trying to educate the public.

We're sending out mailings, we have increased our budget for mailings.

We this has been a no-rest situation for us.

So we are to we are making this a priority.

This is like a massive priority.

And and and I'm not questioning the the priority at all.

And it and I appreciate you doing that.

What I'm saying is the consistency around it.

Like, for example, around the education, around uh um uh having the the filters, having flush your uh faucet and stuff like that.

How many did we sent out in 2025 to people to make sure that their communication is is there?

How many reminders did we send out to say that we have filters available, you can pick them up here?

How many channels have we had in terms of expansion, making sure that people have access?

Because transportation is an issue in this community.

And so if they are sitting, for example, a North East community center, somebody at the south side, that's a that's definitely a barrier right there.

You see what I'm saying?

So I think the more we reduce the ability for a person to have to travel across town to get a filter, it's it's it's it's it become even more cumbersome to some people to be safe because now they gotta put in all these work that that they have to find money to get bus passes and a whole bunch of other stuff.

So we're we're we I don't want to say we're delivery service, but anyone that has reached out to us and said they didn't have means to come and get one.

I sent one to the home through one of the employees, or I personally delivered one to them.

So we we are we're trying to do every anyone that calls, we're not turning anyone away.

We're not telling them no, if you can't get here, you can't have one.

We're doing whatever it takes.

If someone wants one, that it makes them feel at rest, we'll make sure they get it.

Okay, I think moving uh uh uh away from this specific topic, I think we gotta figure out how to give be better education and I appreciate the effort from your team.

I think the education needs to be better in terms of being proactive around it.

So so that when people could pick them up, because people don't know what they don't know, right?

And and then language becomes an issue as well.

I have one more um thing.

So I guess um, you know, hearing you say that the majority of the filters are probably in the trash because of all of the complaints that you've heard.

Um if the feedback you have, then what's your response to it to continue to give out the same as that filter?

Like when I found out last year that it was a picture filter, because I had no idea that that's what we were given out.

Um, I expressed my concern with that and why we weren't doing the um the faucet filter, which you stated that everyone has all of these different faucets and you know, we can't have like different models.

Um I'm just gonna step out on a limb and say we need to revisit that, and if we have to replace the faucet piece for some people, then we should be looking at funding or grants for that as well.

Um if we have a if it's just a particular screw-on type, then we might want to suggest that.

So we are under an EPA requirement.

We don't have say in what we give them.

This is an EPA requirement.

We have to give them a British picture.

Yes, and that can be for the meantime.

That can be for the meantime because you see now standard that we have to give them.

When we just like when we do your service line replacement now, you automatically get a Britta filter and a and a and a another second cartridge.

So as soon as we do your replacement, we give you a Britta filter and a cartridge.

That's an EPA requirement.

We're required to give these things.

No, you're required to give a filter.

You decided which one that it was.

Well, because it has to be a Berta filter.

I mean Alberto, it has to be reduced lead by a certain percentage.

There's there's some standards.

So it doesn't have to be this picture, is what I'm trying to say.

We just need to revisit that.

We don't have to go back and forth now with that.

We just need to look at it at some point in time and figure out you know the best the best way to deal with it.

Because if they're going in the trash, that's money wasted.

I agree.

Um, so we need to figure out the best thing.

So do we know the the numbers uh are they out yet in terms of the child led uh numbers for the county?

Do we know this year yet?

Or is it too early to or the nine?

No, somebody here is from um community foundation led program.

They're funded uh by chance.

Anybody knows that's the next one.

C and why do you have okay?

They're not out, okay.

So say your name.

My name is Oceana Fair.

I'm from Families for Lead Freedom now.

We poison approximately 600 children per year of the kids that are tested through Anadaga County through their doctors.

To put that in perspective, so we can all understand how many kids that is, McKinley Brighton School holds 600 students.

So we are poisoning a building full of elementary children per year.

Thank you.

So you said they were tested 600?

Of the children tested.

So in Syracuse and Onadaga County, we know we miss a good portion of children who should be tested for various reasons that take too long to go into right now.

But of the children that are tested, we poison approximately 600 per year here.

Do we know if that lead is coming from the water or is it coming from paint?

Or is it a mix of both?

It's a mix of both.

Our primary source of lead in throughout New York State is always gonna be lead paint.

But we have to take into account the lead and water.

Just because the action level is 5.5 micrograms per deciliter in New York State, not recognized by the CDC, which recognizes 3.5.

We need to be concerned about those children who are coming in at those lower levels, which can happen through lead and water, which happened in my home that was fully remediated from lead paint.

Those are more damaging levels according to the new studies.

And the and those that are tested, they're three and under, correct?

Or is it five?

In New York State, it's mandatory that every child be tested at one and two at their New York State well child um check when they go to their doctors.

However, based on where the child lives, based on symptoms, um, based on various other factors, we know that children five and below are at high risk.

So it is recommended that children five and below always be screened and then tested if necessary.

Thank you, Shannon.

Thank you.

Um for us, Commissioner, I think from the testing level, um if if you can keep us posted on the numbers and then let's talk offline about the education and and how we can push that.

Um actually we can help you, you know, later stuff.

So commissioner, a couple weeks ago, many residents in the north side had very little water.

It was very low.

Don't drink the water at all because like you were saying, run the water format and flush out the lead.

When it's low, I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, there is lead in that water.

And and if it's gonna take much longer, I think there's lead in the water.

If it's not running properly, it's running very low.

There's lead in the water, and I think in my opinion, if you run it more than one minute, the lead's still gonna be in there.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong in saying that.

I don't know anyone at this time that has trickling water.

Well, we did two weeks ago.

I got up during the night.

There's water, people went on next door, and they said there was low water pressure, that they had something to do with aqua.

Uh because water pressure was low, and there were some incidents, north side residents alerted me, water pressure was low one day.

And it was very, I mean, it was very low, very low.

So I'm concerned that that when it's very low, it's it's going to be people are gonna have lead in that water, and I don't think letting it run for one or two minutes is gonna make any difference.

So I hope everybody knows the hair bottled water is a precautionary.

Yeah, I I don't know about that.

I believe if you run your water and water's coming out of your spigot, whether it's low pressure or high pressure, it's fresh water.

Um but if you have concerns, there's like you said, there's bottled water, there's I mean Commissioner, yeah, we can't.

Commissioner, I got a question.

So it's an axe.

So I know we have um I know we have a lot of community um organizations here who represents the community who have concerns about the lead, our children, our seniors, our family, and it's important that we connect with them.

Um my axe from you is that you connect with them and you start having more um communication, like you know, monthly meetings with them, so they're concerned.

So it's not a mix of we think this, we know this.

No, they're the voices, right, of our community.

They're the ones that are knocking doors, they're the ones of the children, they're the ones that are in the school.

We should be having ongoing conversations with them, even when it comes to changing the pipes, maybe they can be a support of those ones who knocked on the door and you couldn't get through, right?

To say, listen, this is how important it is, you know.

It's it's it is a health risk, right?

So if we did better, these coalitions are here, you know.

I know sometimes we look at them like, oh my gosh, you know, they're not no, they're for the people just as well as you are.

And then we can come together and bring them together, have them at a you know, uh regular meeting with you so that they can get the word out.

There's not a possibility where it's like, well, this is going on, they know directly what's going on, and they can be the help be the voice of the community.

I think this would be uh a way to bridge the community and the relationship, but also get the word out to the community what's really going on in with our water, because people have a lot of concerns with that, and I think it would be a great support, and it would change the narrative with you know what's going on with the water environment.

So I'm a lifelong city resident.

I lived here my whole life, nowhere else.

Anyone that's having a community meeting, if they want me there, send me an invite.

I'll go to any community meetings that invites me.

No, I so I get that.

So what I want to do is, and if I could be chilled not to step over, I want to help.

There's a there's like sit five or four different coalitions that work together.

I know.

Um there's one that you mentioned, and then Oceana came up.

There's a couple.

Is there any way that you can gather and call your meeting and bring them together, right?

To say this is what's going on, this is what we're doing, these are our concerns, this is not our concern, this is what we need, so that we can get that word out to the community, and it's not a question is is it going or is not going?

Because they're working directly, they're like, you know how you have the ambassadors, they're the ambassadors of the community, so that we can work together.

I will meet with anyone and work with anyone that wants to work with me.

So here's here's what we're gonna do at commission.

I think just for the sake, I because this is an issue that everybody's feeling, right?

And it seemed like we are we we are struggling with answers.

I think if we can pull ourselves together, have a conversation collectively, and and figure out the way forward.

You know, people may be able to give you some suggestion, you may be able to clear clarify some things for them.

I think we'll figure that out.

We'll take it offline from here, we'll find a way to meet together with a group and all of us, okay?

We can help people.

And we will coordinate that, okay?

We'll do that.

Sounds good.

Sounds good to me.

Okay, we'll do that.

Uh Peter, uh, Peter King, I I this this is a counselor's meeting, but I I want to make sure that you, since you're standing, give you a chance.

But this is traditional, we don't do that.

Okay?

Since you're standing, go ahead.

Um, thanks.

Uh I uh just just very briefly, I'm Peter King's I'm with some of these groups sometimes, but I just wanted to make the comment that uh the problem itself may not be completely understood.

That I think I I don't know, I I don't know all the details, but I don't know half the details probably, but um the city may be doing everything they possibly could reasonably and and above and beyond.

Uh the activists may be doing everything they think they should and and above and beyond.

Uh but if if you if it's uh if the problem is not w as understood, which may be the case, uh you'd be uh you you'd end up fighting each other.

Um the uh the I guess the assumption so far is that the leads from inside the pipes, the the the at the high lead events that you had.

Right.

Okay.

That's that's a reasonable assumption given the the age of the system, but um there's another possibility that I I think maybe connected, say uh with the uh Marty Navis is talking about low water pressure at times.

That's something the city has had for for decades.

I I was reading 1970s, they're talking about low water pressure, and it's um maybe just due to the the shifting soils that that we have um it w we have the kind of soils that move around a lot.

Um if that's the case, I think we have uh about 20 percent non-revenue water on average.

I mean, and again, this is I have a report from 2000 uh saying reporting that figure, about 20 percent, which means that 20 percent of the water is just leaking out somewhere.

Now there's if you have low or no pressure in a pipe, sometimes you can have these things called water transients or um it's called water hammer safe for plumber.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So uh a water transient can pull in stuff like soil from outside, and and so then that could cause a reading.

And and there's a way you can probably test for that, but anyway, that that's my main just my major point.

Thank you.

Thank you, Peter.

Thank you.

Um so that let's let's go on to the numbers uh in terms of the financials uh that you have because we have so running out of time.

So the capital improvements, the water department capital improvement plan is 25 million dollars a year for the next six years for water system infrastructure improvements for lead service line replacements.

Um we have a lead service line replacement by part of we just got a bipartisan infrastructure law uh lead service line grant funding of 22 million seven hundred and fifty-six thousand and forty-seven cents.

It's a one-time grant.

That's what we're doing to kick off this service line replacements.

Do you think that there will be a clawback from that funding?

What's that?

That funding is it safe or believe it's safe, yes.

Okay.

Um we have uh we were granted um a federal grant for lead service line inventory for two million dollars.

Um that was a one-time grant.

We're we're utilizing that to do our inventory.

Um we've utilized that in the past when we had to come up with our when we had a senator notices of you know what you had for service line material.

Um we bonded this year alone or 2025 for five million, um which we that's how we continued on with the lead service line replacements instead of just stopping at the projects.

We moved forward and doing other areas like we added like Westmoreland from Genesee to Euclid.

We added, you know, we just kept going down the line replacing homes.

Um you know about the testing compliance, um that's 48,000 per year, an annual contract with Traponti for that.

Um like I said, we're still as we're waiting for this to pass through the EFC.

Um we're still JJ Lane, our contractor is still out there replacing service lines today.

And um, just so people are aware, people that have participated in our sampling or tier one sampling, if you had an exceedance exceedance, I'm replacing your service line immediately.

So if you have an exceedance, we get notified from at the time 120 water, I'm replacing your service line.

Um could you tell them what exceed I mean I know but for the people as listening?

Can you tell them what you meant by that?

So when you when you when you volunteer voluntarily participating our in our lead copper sampling, which we have to do the 100 homes a semester, if you participate in that and you have an exceedance, which is 15 parts per million, you're over the exceedance level, action level, we're replacing your service line for you.

And how many then you'll be removed from the pool because we can't test you as tier one anymore because you've had a lead service line replacement.

We had four exceedance in this last round testing.

I believe we only had a hundred participants in this round of testing.

We had 20 something people that never returned their kits.

Is that in the metal book area?

Where was the where was this at?

In what neighborhood?

This is the whole citywide.

So there was only four the whole citywide.

Four citywide exceeded the 15 parts per million, actually.

So you said you said about 20 people didn't return their kids.

We're still having the resident do the testing themselves.

The resident, that's an EPA requirement.

The resident has to do the testing.

We can't go in the home and do the testing.

They have to fill their bottles.

There's directions on the bottle.

They fill it, they put it in the the mail, and the mail carrier takes it to the, you know, delivers it to the lab.

That is a that's EPA requirement.

That's a requirement.

Okay.

We wouldn't we have a hard time getting a hundred participants.

We definitely wouldn't get a hundred participants if we had to be in your house at six o'clock in the morning to use the draw water before you use your toilet.

We wouldn't have 20 participants if we had to do it ourselves.

So commission of the 25 million dollars, was that just for the 2025?

No, the 25 million dollars we are put into our capital improvement plan.

That's for the next six years.

25 million.

Okay, so it comes come down to about three four million dollars.

Six six years would be 150 million.

I mean 1.5 million.

Okay.

Okay.

So would that have what what did we spend this past year?

This past year we were with the projects, because I can't really tell you because it was a lot of the projects were involved.

Out of this, yeah.

What did we spend?

We this is the 2026 capital improvement.

Okay, okay.

And then the previous years were all our projects that we were replacing off of the five million dollars.

The replacement of pipes.

Well, we were replacing any any new water main we replaced, we replaced the service line hook to that water main.

So and and then we continued on in areas we weren't replacing the mains.

Because the initial message when we started these pump station projects, we were doing all the service lines in these areas, and that was kind of a mixed message, but I made sure we went back and replaced them all that were in these areas.

So if you had, you know, if somebody in the community is asking you, commissioner, you know, from a six 360 view, what's your plan of replacing this in a nutshell?

What would you say?

I would say we're gonna do it as fast as the city that we can.

I hope it doesn't take the required time the EPA is giving us, which is from my understanding, because of the size of our city, it's a 10-year mandate on it nationwide, but the more service lines you have, the longer you have.

I believe we may have 19 years to replace them all, and I'm gonna say we're not going to take 19 years replaced those service lines.

So out of the 1500 and you got eight and you got 800.

Um what how many how many service line do you have to replace?

Yeah.

So we wanted 1500, you only did 800.

Right.

Out of that 1500 combined, how many are left?

So we have about 14,000 known service lines that are known led.

Whether it be so that might be just the private size led, just the public sides led, but we have 14,000.

14,000 known.

But we also have about 16,000 service lines in the city that are unknown that we don't know nothing about because if you look at the mapping, a big portion of unknowns are in the Eastwood area in the Salt Springs area, because they weren't part of the city at one time.

When them homes were built, they weren't the s part of the city.

So we don't have a lot of records on their service material.

So that's what our engineering team is doing, help us in develop a plan to figure out these unknowns.

So specifically out of the 14,000 that are known.

Through the effort, how m how many have we replaced out of these 14,000?

Probably a thousand.

Probably a thousand.

Right.

That was eight hundred out of the from 2025.

Yeah.

We replaced some in 2024 too.

When did we know these?

1400.

When did we identify these that they were that service line?

And then when we've been a few years since we actively start replacing as of 2025.

2024.

2024.

So out of 2024 to 2025, we replaced 800.

Probably a thousand.

A thousand.

From 2024.

Could you find those numbers and give them to us?

I can't.

Yeah.

How many service line replacements we had?

Okay, I just have a I just got to clarify something with that.

So last year you said that you guys had already done, I thought it was like 2700 or 2400 replacement lines, and that you were gonna go back to those and do the uh private side.

So is that number included?

That apparently is not included.

That is the map right there.

We haven't been to them homes yet.

It's a so you're talking spending 22 million dollars.

It's a big process to spend that money.

It's just like if I could go out and hire contractors tomorrow and say go in and do it and attack it, I would do it.

You have to put you have to draw up contracts, you have to put it out to bid, it has to go through law, it has to go through the EFC to make sure the plan wait a minute.

So that's should be kicking off like right now.

Okay, so the lines that last year you said you were going back to what was it, 27 or 24?

The lines that we're going back to.

It was like 20 right around 2900 lines.

Okay, 2900 lines.

Um so the ones that you recently did, the 800, none of those were that you said last year.

They were included in the 2900.

That is still in the EFC's hands.

We were hoping to already have that started last year, but there's a process.

So there that's believe EFC has it right now, making sure this plan is what they agree on.

And what's the EFC?

I'm sorry.

Environmental facilities corporation.

Yeah, EFC, New York State.

We didn't catch who what's your role?

Uh I'm Ryan Dorr, I'm the water systems construction engineer.

Okay.

Good to meet you.

So you know, Council, are you done?

Yeah.

Okay.

Um, Council Joe Raoul's Raoul's touch on a very important point, which is your struggle as as a commissioner on the replacement.

You got you got 25 million dollars coming up.

You got we the limit the the limited amount of resource we have, we put them at your disposal.

What's the struggle?

Just just so that we we catch that again.

What why is why why is the replacement not have happening as fast as we would like?

Politics.

Politics one.

Okay.

That's what the hold up is.

Um politics in the building or out of the.

Or just you know, uh, through the getting it done, you know, everything's it up.

No, no, no.

Just saying just the the whole the whole like the process.

It's gotta go to law, it's gotta go to, you know, we had to go to the council for the bureaucracy, not the politics.

Yeah, okay.

That's the word.

Yeah, you know, yeah, there you go.

Yeah, I I I mean, you gotta kind of feel it.

I'm on that side, so but but what I want to say is this we we have been proactive in this.

You gotta remember this is a nation national problem.

So we've been proactive.

So we went out when we bid these contracts.

We could have said, let's just put it out of 2,900 contracts and see what contractor has the biggest funding and can come in at the cheapest price.

And we didn't.

We broke it down to bring in more contractors.

So we can once we get them into the city working for us, we're hoping to keep them here.

Because come 2027, the whole country's looking for contractors to replace the service lines because they're not gonna have a choice.

So we we we we came out with phase one of this service line program.

So with the private only side, we bid that.

We had five contractors come in for the pre-bidding.

We I believe we had five contractors bid on them.

We awarded them to two different contractors.

We rewarded contract one and contractor contract two to one, and we were rewarded contract three to one.

So now we have two contractors in here.

But the the good thing is they all sat in the room together, so they all know what they they bid.

So now we're gonna put out phase two and try to draw in more contractors.

So once we have the contractors locked into the city, we're hoping to keep the work moving so they don't leave because the competition's only gonna get bigger come 2027 because you're talking Chicago alone has like four thousand four hundred thousand lead service lines in one city.

And financially it works better too, right?

So right, the more competition we have in the city, and they definitely came in at better rates than we thought they were gonna come in because there was more people in the room, and that's what we're doing.

We're planning to get more for the city's dollar.

You have somebody I know when we first talked about this, maybe 24, 23, you were hiring someone to follow JJ Lane and file the contractor to make sure they are doing what they're saying they're doing.

Are we still checking in balance and making sure that's we have a construction manager that's out there checking on them?

Um we have our engineering firm has people out there watching them, and when this project comes off, they're gonna have two field represent you know, represent uh representation out there watching, because we're gonna have a lot of work going on at one time.

I mean, we're hoping that they can knock this many service lines off in a year, which is pretty fast paced.

That's 2900 homes they have to go into.

You know, it may not be a year, but we're hoping the faster we can go, you know, and these are large-scale uh contractors, so they can have multiple crews out there.

It's not gonna be one guy digging a hole and doing a service line.

They're gonna have five, six crews each doing homes and just trying to be proactive and keep them going.

And by that time, when they finish this, we're hoping to have more contracts come out saying this is the next phase of the plan.

So for purposes for people, like you can look at the map.

Oh, I was echoing.

Sorry.

So for the purpose of the people, is there any way on the city's website we can break that down and by streets, right?

Yeah, I think we have that.

We can't on the website on the website.

I don't think it's on the website.

We requested for sidewalks, it should be like this street, right?

We're coming to you.

Like there should be street names so people looked at it, they would know that that's what's next instead of docs.

I don't know if that map is on our public website.

It should be we can do that.

Yes, okay.

I think that would help out the community.

So if they looked at it, there's project one, they see, oh, wait a minute, they're coming in my neighborhood.

This is what expected that they can see it on the city map instead of someone knocking on a door talking about they're gonna do work and they're like, wait a minute.

You know, people are reluctant this day.

So we put in the contract this time because we know how it is a public communication that they have to send out like mailing that they're coming and try to make you know some initiative and you know, initiative before they just knock on your door and say, Hey, we're here to replace your service line.

Because it's a lot of coordination, someone has to be home, you know, so that's someone taking off from work, you know.

So we we made it so they have to do a little more public communication as well as well as us.

Does this go through the same construction permits as every other construction does, or is it somehow different?

This goes through the same process process, I believe.

So, how long does she take you to get those permits?

So this one won't be as as detailed because they don't have to do any digging in the right of way.

There's no they shouldn't have to dig in the road or anything like that.

That's why we did this, so they can work through the winter.

Um, because it's only from the you know, you're right away in your yard to your home.

So there won't be any like permits for like road restoration or anything like that.

Um but I believe they would pull like a large scale permit.

I like the okay.

So I just wanted to touch on language barrier.

I know it was um mentioned earlier.

Um, but for some of the properties that may not have sent back a sample, or you know, if you're not receiving information from residents, is there possibility of language barrier?

Do we have we gone directly to the property to find out why didn't they send what?

Like, is that sample bottle being mailed to them or someone's dropping it off so we can identify if there's a possible problem?

So the first round we had 120 samples come in.

So 120 people participated in the first half of 2025.

We sent them all to the exact same people, so they've already sampled once.

I'm reaching out to people and saying, hey, could you turn your sample bottle in?

Oh, it's on my counter.

I was good last time, so why do I have to do it again?

That's what you get, you know, because oh, I didn't fail last time, I got good, and they're not participating just because they don't think the importance of it.

So I'm reaching out to them, I'm explaining to them the importance of being consistent on testing each semester because that's how we know if our orthophosphate, if our treatment is working.

And the EPA says that they have to be the one in mail, it couldn't be okay.

We give this to them and we hire somebody to come grab them, and then it it says on there.

They could send it to them, have someone bring it to the mail carrier.

No, what I'm saying is it directly says that it has to be the owner to the mail.

Is there anywhere in there where it could be someone because we need the numbers and we need to make sure we get it?

So is there any wiggle room where it could be okay?

The owner does it, there's a company, somebody comes, grabs and mails them, like pick them up.

There's there's a possibility of contamination and it's a chain of commands.

So there's a chain of commands.

Well, it doesn't go directly to the lab goes to the post office.

That's what he said.

Right, but the post office theoretically doesn't have an interest in what the numbers are, and but the process is no one is getting it to them.

So if there was somebody that they knew, like there's a process, people got to go to the post office and send it.

There's a process behind that.

The hundred and twenty people that received it participated.

So they know exactly what it is because they did it the prior sampling pool.

They just most of them I reached out to just chose not to do it again.

They just I didn't have time, I was out of town.

Exactly.

It's another set of people.

And they and they passed.

And I think that's where you're gonna do it.

That's where you have either your local community organizations or your council, and you can reach out and say, hey, you know, this property, we weren't able to get the sample back from them.

Is someone from your team or or are you able to go out?

If if it's my district, I want to know that because I can either contact Oceana, who's also in my district, and they can go out to that address, or I can go out to that address and say, hey, we really need this information.

Can you do it by such and such time?

So that's all I was saying, not the fact that it contamination part part that there has to be somebody else in between that can help make this process happen.

Because it's important that we get the numbers, and if people with enough people have a lot of stuff going on in our life in the world, so that extra set is not probably that they don't want to do it, it's just another complication that oh wow, I gotta do this and I gotta mail.

You know what I mean?

It's not that people don't want to be elpha, but if we join forces with a coalition, any help we can get.

Okay.

Because we just want it done.

We are we are pressing on time.

Here's what we're gonna do.

We're gonna we promised earlier that we are going to call and coordinate a collective meeting where the community organization, yourself, a couple of us, probably uh uh Kevin Henry.

Thank you, thank you, Kevin.

Kevin is is our person that is through the executive level is sitting over DPW, right?

Yes, so he's probably gonna be there.

Um, and we're gonna have this collective conversation, and then within that conversation, we'll try to figure out from the community side what is working, what is not working, from the constraint on this side, what and then have that you know dialogue among each other.

Because he, you know, we we have the little bit of money we have.

What hurt even more is that this little bit that we have is not moving fast enough to so that we can exhaust it and and and be it then when we get to a position where we say we can't replace this, it's because we don't have money.

I want us to reach at that level rather than say we are experiencing all this that level, but we can't move fast enough to get there.

You see what I'm saying?

So we gotta figure out this bureaucracy that is blocking everything.

Right?

That's the word.

I wrote that down to like next time.

We gotta figure that out and collectively, hopefully that meeting we'll be able to get somewhere internally, we'll be able to do some work to get there collectively.

All right.

I had um get allone's emails so we can help connect and make this happen.

Yeah, okay.

All right.

I need it.

Anybody with with anything pressing?

No.

We want to thank all of you for coming.

Uh commissioner, thank you so much.

Then we'll end our meeting.

Have a good day.

Thank you.

Thank you.

All right.