Nicole Fragneed him.

Kyle Gregory.

Jeff Romano.

Amber Dillon.

And Kate Owetter.

Any excused?

Yes.

Julia.

Sorry.

No answer the closer.

We have Julia.

Julia.

And thank you very much.

Acceptance of minutes from previous meeting.

And if you accept the minutes?

Do I have a second?

A second.

Thank you.

Any modifications to the minutes as submitted?

Hearing none.

Any all in favor of passing minutes as submitted?

Sorry.

Aye.

Opposed.

Good job in the minutes, Kate.

Oh, well, thank you.

Public hearings, Kate.

Oh, do you want to start with Mr.

Spield?

Yeah, you're right.

I'm getting ahead of myself.

All right.

So the board will conduct the public hearings on today's agenda.

First, the applicant or the applicant's representative will be invited to describe the proposed scope of work and to present any material or documentation regarding the proposal to the board.

Next.

Persons wishing to speak in favor of the proposal will be given the opportunity to address the board.

Then persons who wish to speak in opposition will be allowed to address the board.

Finally, the applicant or representative will be given the opportunity to make closing comments to the board.

Following public comment, the board may vote to approve, approve with conditions, or deny the application just heard.

The board may also decide to hold this decision until the next public hearing.

If the hearing is closed, no additional information will be allowed into the record except for the information that the board may request.

That information will be available for public review with the board's staff.

Staff will now introduce the first application.

Now it's my turn.

So this is the first uh public hearing is CA-2602.

It's a certificate of appropriateness for 726 West on Indaga Street, which is the Alexander Brown House.

This is a basement window replacement project.

And uh the house is a protected site, and the owner uh Mr.

Birch is here.

Um and we're ready for you.

Yep.

If you could introduce yourself.

Okay, my name is Albert Birch.

I am uh well one of the two owners, myself and Patricia McDermott uh own 726.

And welcome digging her out.

So what we've got going on here, um, as you'll see the the house itself, there's no foundation windows in the front.

The foundation windows, as you'll see when you go to the survey, which was just up there briefly, uh they're on uh I guess the northwest side, the southwest side, and the northeast side, none of which are observable from the street.

Um what's going on is uh and you can see from some of the pictures, um the framework uh has rotten out.

Uh this one was just replaced with a uh sheet of plywood.

We could go down one more.

There you go.

Uh that's it, close uh uh closer up view of it.

And as you go through, you'll see more and more.

Now that's a combination of masonry damage, um from water that's penetrated the walls and wrought down um subsequent uh lime, etc.

and detritus.

But that's one of the things that I've got a uh I'm glad to have a uh good mason to work with finally uh as opposed to myself just patching up where I can.

Uh if you go down to the next set of pictures, you'll see, yeah, here's the real problem right here.

This is what started it.

Um that's horrible.

As you see.

So uh there's three windows that are in that condition all the way around the foundation out of the uh out of the ten windows in the foundation, but there's only nine that we're going to have replaced.

And this a combination of security, uh structural integrity, and uh appeal that we want to replace it uh four plus block is something that's timely as well.

You know, a hundred and thirty years ago that was around.

So um, the one thing that um is in flux with regard to that picture is the exact size.

Uh if you compare that to the windows itself, uh there's um special ordering that needs to be done to get the exact size in.

Um and the vent is going to be different.

We're looking at an aluminum vent.

I don't want anything plastic going in those walls.

Nothing poly, nothing plastic.

And that's that's it.

Okay.

And I'd very much like well, two things.

I'd uh very much like to apologize for not having our stuff together last month.

I know you met and we were expected to be here.

Unfortunately, we didn't have our stuff together.

We didn't know exactly what we were looking at yet.

Uh so we had to call off at the last minute, and you know, I appreciate your time and and hearing me out now.

Fair enough, thank you.

Uh board, any questions on the presentation just seen I just had one question you just mentioned you don't want any poly or anything.

Uh what's the material of the of the window that's within the um the operable sash that's within the block glass block?

Is that a vinyl product?

Do you know?

I'm sorry.

The vent.

The vent, I think.

Oh, mentioned you wanted it there.

That's vinyl, but what's going to be going in is aluminum.

Yeah, yeah.

If you want to aluminum.

Okay, I just I thought my eyes were deceiving.

I read that, but then I'm looking at that.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

That one clarification.

Yeah, I definitely don't want poly going in there.

Um, but that was just for demonstration.

Okay, thank you for the clarification.

Sure.

Okay.

Uh with that.

Anyone here wishing to speak in favor of this proposal?

Please come forward at this time.

Anyone here wishing to speak in opposition to this proposal, please come forward at this time.

Hearing none, seeing none.

We will close the public comment.

And uh board, any comments, questions on this project.

No, pretty cut and dry.

Um I have a couple questions.

So uh these will totally eliminate all the jams, all the wooden jam.

No.

You'll leave the wooden jam in the case.

There's going to be wooden jam still because there's electrical and water pass throughs.

Yeah, I do see in a few of the photos that there's uh like two water spigots.

Right.

And you do I do see an electrical.

There's three three spigots and uh three spigots and three electrical conduits that pass through that.

And so in the one photo with the uh exhaust louvers in it.

Just go over.

Oh, wait.

Oh, yeah, that's go down, please.

So that jam is totally shot.

So you're gonna you're gonna rebuild that chain?

Yes.

Yeah, there's that one there, and there's one on the other side.

And it's two by twelve stock that goes in there.

So you'll be retaining then you'll be retaining the the old um grates as well on the windows.

No, no, no, those those are all shot.

They're all shot.

Yeah, I would assume the purpose is going with the glass block, is that it is also secure installment, right?

My colleague brought up a good point though.

I guess I'm a little curious.

I understood the application to include that you were eliminating the wood gems as well.

I think sandwiching the wood between two different forms of masonry.

I would be a little concerned about both the tenacity of the application and the installation of that holding to the existing masonry and the potential deteriorate, further deterioration.

So if you're if your intent is to replace that with something more durable, it seems like you're leaving still an element that's going to be very vulnerable.

Well, I'd need to replace it with something, and it has to happen like right now.

Um I'm paying over a thousand dollars in utilities for my house, and that can stop.

And the biggest problem we've got uh in the house as far as leakage, of course, there's gonna be leakage because of um uh repointing, et cetera.

But that basement is it just it really loses uh therms like nobody's business.

Um one thing that I do know, I I have absolute faith in uh well, two things.

Number one, the guy that I'm working with, and number two, the fact that well, they've done it before.

Uh I don't know that the glass block has been in there, but I know that the window's been in there and it's been in there for a long time.

That's a hundred, these are original.

We're looking at 135-year-old uh windows here that it's taken to get to that condition.

Um I I would think glass block.

I should be able to get 50 out of.

I'd be happy.

Yeah.

I won't be here, but uh be happy.

We're not questioning the block itself, but uh typically the wood frame is removed and the glass block is inserted right against the masonry over there.

I understand, yeah.

Yeah, I guess that eliminates that edge of having to paint that and then maintain it, and then some of them are already rotten.

Right, and so it's just gonna uh further exacerbate the condition and create more leakage.

Yeah, I hear you.

I I hear what you're saying, and that's so that's one thing I'm glad I've got Maxi on board for.

Uh I don't know the details, yes, sir.

Yeah, I was gonna say they can they can maneuver that uh make sure that anything that's picking out, we could work around it.

Yeah.

Probably talk to them for something do that without having a flashway take care of that without having.

Okay.

Yeah, unless there's a unless there's a reason between the sandstone face and then the the brick or whatever, you know, however, the house is constructed.

If there's a joint there.

Well, that's if there is a joint there.

If they're putting the window in the on the inner side, there's actually three layers of uh three courses of brick uh brick.

Um the old school brick, the god, I hate it because it's standing right there smiling at us.

Um and then comes the uh pot sem on the outside.

So it's multiple layers that you're looking at.

Right.

Right.

And you know just those windows are set deep.

Yes.

Yeah, right.

And so I assume these new windows will come forward a little bit.

If there's a maybe, maybe not you.

Um you're gonna keep them in the same.

Yeah, I mean, there's on the end side of what we see right there, there's another six inches.

Yeah, okay.

I feel that that may excuse me.

That may adjust when you take out the the jams.

Yeah, is my uh my one comment on that.

Anyone else?

Additional comments?

If if not, can I get a motion on the I move to approve the application is submitted.

Second.

Second, Howard?

Any further comments?

Or any more?

No.

Okay.

All in favor?

We haven't doing the block.

Back see.

Good reputable company.

We got a motion on the table.

All in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

Opposed.

Motion carries.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Thank you for being a good steward over there.

Appreciate it.

Great house.

We all are.

So uh the next application 2603, um, which is for 300 Waverly Avenue certificate of appropriateness.

Uh, the applicants, uh, Syracuse University has uh asked to withdraw that application.

So that is removed from uh the agenda.

And we'll be able to move on to the next one, which is CA-2604, a certificate of appropriateness for 334 Berkeley Drive.

This is a uh stair replacement on the rear deck of the house.

Um and uh the property is located within the Berkeley Park Preservation District.

And here to speak on behalf of the project is Kevin.

I'm here for uh Ruben Levy.

I work for McClergor modeling.

Okay, and I just need your name and uh Kevin right address for the record.

Uh 334 Berkeley Drive.

Thank you.

So what the client's looking to do is he's looking to get rid of the old aluminum metal stairs that are basically rusted out on them.

And he's looking just to add stairs down the side of it.

Um basically building a platform coming about four feet out and then coming straight down for for safety purposes.

Um it's in the back, it's in the back side of the house.

I think the other drawing doesn't really follow what they're looking to do is actually build a platform here and just very straight down.

It's all gonna be built and pressure treated one.

One other thing that we're gonna do is we're actually gonna change out the the railings kind of to meet code too.

They're a little short.

They're about 30 inches tall.

And it shows kind of the standard pressure treated railing we would be doing up on the on the top right corner.

But physically we wouldn't be doing anything to the framing of the deck or the deck itself.

Um with McClure, we will look to make sure you know there's Joyce Hangers and all that stuff that's supposed to be on the deck originally uh for them.

But really, we'd just be changing out the railing and then doing stairs and coming all the way down and pressure treated.

All right, any uh additional questions or comments from the board at this time?

I guess that the one question I have that the new stair and the new railings are gonna be painted like the existing ones are intend to leave them.

He hasn't really decided that yet, so that would be something probably at the end of the year he would decide if he's gonna paint them or not.

Um I know he does have plans on having the deck repainted and and the the railings on the top part, but I'm not sure what he plans on doing with the stairs itself.

Okay.

But if he decides he would be working with us, and I would come back to you guys with the color of choice that he picked to make sure you guys approved it.

Okay.

All right.

Uh anyone else?

Good.

Um public hearing, right?

Yeah, thank you.

All right.

Anyone here in the crowd wishing to speak in favor of this proposal to come forward at this time.

Anyone here in opposition?

Hearing none, seeing none public comment is closed.

Um discussion.

So I just have a couple questions.

I assume everything is is um uh all the structure is solid and everything's good here.

My one comment is it says 10 inch rise on the stairs, isn't that a little steep?

Is that compliant?

It's not our purview.

It says new stairs ten inch dry stone landing right at the bottom of the of the run.

Um, right there.

I don't know if if that's compliant or not.

Well, just how the slope of the backyard is.

We're gonna actually build the 10 inches up.

We're gonna build a form, put stone landing in there.

Okay, that's right.

So that it's so that it levels it out.

So that's not indicating the rise of the rise.

The rises will be seven inches.

Yep.

Yeah, comment.

That's just it's a 10-inch rise from the last one.

So we're gonna build a little stone platform for them to even it to level it out.

Because it the backyard like slopes.

Yeah, it drops right off.

Yeah, it drops right off.

Understood.

Okay, I just that popped out at the right.

That should be worded different.

All right, any other comments or questions from the board?

If not, I'd like to get a motion.

I I guess my only other comment would be regarding the painting.

The having an unpainted stair seems to be sort of at odds with the the rest of the language of the house.

So um I would encourage having it painted.

Okay.

Um yeah, we just recommend because it is pressure treated to wait six months in order to paint it, but I'll talk to Ruben and have him add that to the guy that's painting the painting the deck too.

And we can add that as well.

You could you could add that as a condition and the paint color could be staff approval so that it doesn't need to come back to the to the board if that's if that's acceptable to you.

Okay, yeah.

Yeah, and most likely he would be sticking probably white with everything how it is now.

Just so it matches the railings.

All right.

Uh with that, do we have a motion?

I move to approve the application with the condition that the new stair is painted at color to be for staff approval.

Second.

Thank you.

All of those in favor?

Aye.

Opposed?

Motion passes.

Thank you very much.

Good luck with the project.

I'll give them a call to the letter.

Thanks.

All right.

Um now we're uh oh, we leave the public hearing section and we go on to old business.

And this is a minor site plan review uh for 713 uh through 15 East Genesee Street.

These are facade alterations.

Um this has been before the board uh last meeting.

Um this has been before the board uh last meeting um where you had requested you had made a number of recommendations um and the um applicants have responded to those and have brought uh revised revised drawings uh for review uh the property is listed in the city's historic properties list as national register eligible and with that I'll invite Minesh back.

May I do your name and address for the record, please.

Uh Manach Patel 60 Woodgreen Drive, Pittsburgh, New York.

Welcome.

Thank you.

So after the last uh kind of informal hearing, uh we heard most of the board's comments and try to implement as much as we could, looking at everything again.

So first and foremost, we've eliminated all of the uh ethos materials on the front and the wraparound of the building.

So the front facade basically is a restoration of the brick lentils and um keeping the original character of the building from the street side as you're coming through.

Uh and then we eliminated that signage, and the only real signage right now is at the very bottom.

If you want to zoom in, it's right above the uh entryway.

Right.

And I don't know if she picked it up on the side elevations, but our plans are probably gonna be to put it on the two sides of the same structure.

So to be three similar to what you're seeing there on the three sides.

Um but that's all gonna be contingent upon what the brand and then what signage um requirements and what we can and can't do.

But at a minimum, that's what we're looking at.

Um, and then if we continue to the sides and the rear.

So again, right through that first break in the building is all gonna be the brick, and then we're gonna transition to ethos from almost where that line is there, going back and around all the way around to the back of the building.

Our architect put the Hampton in sign right there.

I don't know if that's gonna be finalized.

Again, I think the brand's gonna have something to say about it.

They may want to see it higher.

Uh I'm just not sure right now, but it's again the rear of the building.

I think from our intent is just when people are parking to letting them know this is the entrance, and really we want to push them to the right side of the building where the new lobby entrance is gonna be.

So there may be some shifting of that.

Same here on this elevation, and again, you could see where that those stairs are coming up.

That is now gonna be the rear entrance to the lobby area.

So again, trying to maintain street side from the original character uh of the building, and then where you can see it less or you know, really nothing there going to the ethos.

And when you drive the area, you've got a mixed match of everything.

You've got new industrial, you've got some historic building, so it is like you know, it depending on which street or which block, even right, even which building you look at, depending on what it is, there's all variations going on in that area there, too.

So uh the windows was the next area.

So we sent some pictures along of the conditions of the existing windows.

Um, right, one of the things was is to get dimensions and everything else of the windows and everything.

And I I was able to get some of this stuff last minute, so it didn't make it to your packets, but I could leave it with the board.

Um but you can see every window right now has a storm in front of it, which you lose everything.

Right, those are all storm panels in front of there.

You can't even see anything of the original kind of window, kind of maybe right through if you're like right there.

You could see the set center mullion.

So when we looked at it, the board did ask for different options and saying, well, what can we do here, right?

And I was scrambling to still, and some of this isn't still final, but we had proposed a PVC window.

But we had proposed a PVC window.

Originally we had it was in a one just glass hole kind of window.

And then from what we heard, we entered, we went back and we've added the center mullion, right?

And then we looked at options of fiberglass, uh aluminum, and wood.

The cost basically are cost prohibitive in doing anything other than the vinyl.

I mean, when we're talking about wood, it's 110% increase over the the PVC material.

Um even the fiberglass that was recommended is a 40% increase.

So, you know, it's almost like a $250,000 increase from what we would be looking at.

And I looked at this again from the area.

What we're proposing is in line with what you see right around the area, so I'm hoping that we can still stay with that.

Um the specs for the windows were included in the packet.

There were no specs.

Oh, there was no specs in the came in that.

Can hand them around?

Yeah.

So I just want to clarify on the excuse me.

On the drawings, they it indicates an aluminum window.

So you're saying that you want to um with uh uh the PVC windows.

Aluminum is still a 20% increase from the PVC.

Did you say that again?

I'm sorry.

Aluminum.

So I've got kind of pricing of the base PVC, which is what the specs are right there, and then we got pricing for fiberglass, uh, aluminum and wood.

I don't have a firm number um on it yet, but they were telling me it's gonna be almost double, right?

A little bit more, and then install would be more, which is why I said 110%.

Fiberglass would come in around 40% more.

And what was for the aluminum?

You're that's the number you haven't received.

No, I did uh 20% more.

Yeah, uh in the proposal here, it's aluminum, so that's window.

That's what we received.

What you're saying is it is PVC, so that's I think the architect may have not caught up with the the drawing, so I apologize for that.

It looks like there's still wider on the sheet.

Because we're talking about without the storms have a wider camera.

It looks like the windows probably still have a narrower profile.

Yeah, well, I'm I'm just looking at the interior photo, and it's like uh maybe a two-inch.

Maybe two inch tops.

Yeah.

I mean it's a pretty beefy sash, but want to check that kind of so we are we commenting, or we waiting on the so I'm gonna hand this around too.

So this is what came back.

I think this is what uh okay the existing windows and uh we did request what the dimensions of the existing.

Oh, here we are.

Okay.

One and a quarter, two and seven sixteenths.

But then you add in that three-eighths stop element.

You get a little closer to one and three quarters, so one sixteen.

And if you stay at that window, can you scroll down?

This is what I was referring to on the outside, literally, all of the inside of the window right now, all you're seeing is that big storm panel.

Yeah.

We don't we don't have that photo in our yeah, that's that came in absolutely.

But it looks like there's good weather stripping in there.

Right.

Um I'm not an architect, but I could I can I can pick that out that those are weather stripped and tight, and then coupled with the storm, yeah.

They do block the historic window, thank you.

They do block the historic window, but they're also you know needed for energy efficiency.

So we we accept those as uh so if you look through the the pictures that just came around, you can see how rotten some of these interior uh sashes and the frames going around them are um can you pull up that picture with the hand, the red hand?

Can you describe what you're showing?

So all the way through here, right where he's sticking his screwdriver through, that's all kind of rotted out in like not everywhere.

Um certain sections of the building are really bad, and then others pocket for the pulleys?

The weights are there, yes, yes, and then if you scroll, I don't know if it's this picture, scroll to another one.

I think you could really see deterioration.

Uh no.

Yeah, those are the two.

Oh, can you scroll down just for a second there?

Oh, so I can see the bottom of that.

So when they did the one window actually replacement before we came.

Right, right there.

Right.

Just so we can see the bottom of the window there.

There you go.

So when they did the one sample window for us, right, when they were pulling it all out, the the insides of these things, especially once they took out the storm window and everything were rotted to the core.

There was no salvaging it, there was no trying to just you know put in new material or anything else.

And I think that's literally why they put the storm window on there was to try to minimize or cut down on the um you know the damage that was happening.

Now that had occurred prior to us acquiring the property, but the frame I'm seeing in the foreground there, that's that's just associated with the interior louvers.

That right.

I'm sorry?

That there's like a little frame running along the bottom.

No, no, further down, behind those clips.

That's that that that's to do with the livers, right?

The interior shutters.

This is the uh shadows on it that it folds.

I was trying to understand everything that was.

You're saying that all like all the bucks and everything inside the behind the window trim that you see, the jam, all that is rotten, you're saying?

Yes.

Are they majority on the north wall, east wall, south wall?

Like I'd have to check with the you know the contract that it was doing.

Or if is as it's across the whole entire building.

It was sporadic, but it is like if you see like on the exterior where some of the lentils have been damaged.

Yeah, that's I was trying to do that.

Those are the ones that are probably the worst.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The cells there.

Yeah, right through here.

Those sills that the brick has not been maintained on this building, right?

So especially the caulking and everything else has just failed.

And wherever that's failed, you those window jams are now just gone.

They have done a great job of painting and caulking and just keep going and going and going, right?

But the moment you you know start getting into this stuff, there's not gonna be much to just salvage.

I I mean, literally, when we pull off these storm windows, I don't know what we're gonna end up getting into and trying to even the contractors, every one of them have told me that looked at this.

Look, we're not gonna it's gonna be Pandora's box once we take it out, and we can give you a firm bid once we're in there to see what we're gonna do.

Bless you.

I usually get screamed at for my sneezes.

That was impressive.

I got some competition.

Um but yes, they did really come in there and saying that you're gonna have to really get in there to see what you're dealing with, what we're gonna have to rebuild.

And how would you be treating these this exterior trim once your window goes in?

On the front or the rear?

When you say the trim, where you what are you talking about the exposed?

Well, we we know he's got to rebuild some of the sills, but the wood that is the trim on either side of the window unit.

Okay.

If we could we could see that that's joint is open on the left hand side.

There's no this is the storm, right?

Well, that's I assume that's the wood trip.

Oh yes, that's right.

And you can see that there's no seal between the brick and that.

There's no seal.

So where we're easing it, the e fus will wrap around, and that would be an uh caulk joint where it transitions between materials.

So your ethos would return on the brick to the face of the trim.

Correct.

And then flashed?

Flashed or and then caulked.

I'm not sure the exact detail, but there would be a transition, so um it would you wouldn't see the brick.

You're saying on the bottom or on the sides, I'm sorry.

Well, I can see the clear, it's open.

I could see the joint is open.

So you're saying a lot of penetration is coming in through that, it's rotting everything.

Right.

If these windows go in, what's the treatment of that existing trim?

Is that wrapped in aluminum or wrapped in vinyl, wrapped in ethos?

So my understanding is foam, ethos finished over it and then caulked.

Back rod caulk for any joints that they can't just simply caulk.

But he's asking about so are you proposed?

This the whole white surround.

That's the existing trim.

Are you proposing that that comes out as well with the with the window, yes.

Okay.

Yeah.

So that would not remain according to what was just heard.

Correct.

That would be part of the window.

So the window.

Well go from brick to brick.

We're going to remove all that wood, all the wood component in that the whole assembly.

Yeah.

Sorry.

That's a that's a major change.

Yeah.

No, I didn't understand that that was a good thing.

Yeah, well, that's questions.

Kate, you have a little bit of a little bit of a little bit.

I'm just uh reminding the board that the this is um for comment um to provide comment to zoning on uh the the uh the project.

So thank you.

Thank you for that.

With that, that's that's uh I mean our packet says it's their aluminum windows, and then understanding how that transition happens, that's that's a major major change from um our board's perspective and correct me if I'm speaking for the rest of you.

No, absolutely.

Yeah, um so that's major on the front of the building on the main block that is more of a restorative program, similar approach, or all that stays in situ?

Would you expect how how would the window be treated on the front portion that's being treated as a renovation project?

Same you'd see full removal except for the first floor.

Showing it to retain.

Thank you.

Right.

The first floor remains as is.

Everything above all those window units would come out as well.

The first floor is already store front aluminum.

Yeah, right.

Yeah, yeah.

Right.

But on the front facade here.

Everything labeled one would be full removal of the window and jam and frame.

And new vinyl would be installed in that rough opening as you as you refinish.

And then how would how would that transition from the brick to the vinyl happen?

Do you have a detail for that?

Or I do not.

I'd like to see that.

Um I don't want to go down a rabbit hole on it, but I want to understand how that how that transition happens with the vinyl.

Any comments on the sill replacement from architect on the other.

Would you be replacing those sills in full?

Because even though you're encapsulating it with the ethos, I would be a little concerned about there's some pretty excuse me, serious deterioration there.

We have exposed rebar within the cast units and everything.

So the on the where where the ethos is?

Yes, yep.

So they will either be removed, okay, and then the ethos will come on top of it to, or and then they're gonna, if it's to the point where you saw some of those, they're gonna have to be filled in.

Okay.

So either coming out, I mean, depending on what it is, how bad it is, right?

They're flushed out to the building, something, you know, either wood, foam or something to put the ethos back to so it flushes it to the so the ethos can be applied.

I would would recommend, I mean, you know, brick just so that it's monolithic.

I I don't think that there's that many.

I'd be concerned about just toothing in little small sections of you know, wood or foam just so that it's water can always find a way.

Yeah.

So you don't want um, you know, potentially, you know, wood lugs or something in there or potentially swelling and rotting behind your eethus.

So my recommendation would be to go back and I don't gather, you know, granted you've just given us a representative photo, but um I'm guessing it's gonna be relatively Q if you're gonna have a mason on the job anyway to handle the the south sort of historic portion of the building, I would say that's not that much additional effort.

I I would recommend going with masonry to patch those in if that's the intent.

So I'm sorry, so you're talking about the sills.

The sills.

Well uh uh if they're gonna be encapsulated, they don't have to be precast units, but that's what I would replace with a rebuild and brick masonry of some sort.

Yeah, okay.

Just so the construction is uniform.

Exactly.

And I'm I think I saw that the intent is to go back with one inch boom or the whole so we're saving some depth there in terms of the impact on the structure visually, but I do these project more than one inch, do you know?

The sills?

Yeah.

That would be my other concern is you want to have enough of a uniform substrate also to put the acrylic coating on.

Um that's something else to consider.

I'm I guess are you I mean in the rendering calls out as it still kind of stands out.

Okay.

And then north facade.

Okay.

So they'll be expressed somehow, so they'll make a wrap or something.

Right.

All right.

So the sills will still be expressed.

Yeah, as a is there's good.

Yeah.

That's good.

So it's not gonna be completely plainer that was my when you're speaking.

If there's eight that need to be replaced, and they're just kind of filled in, we lose the the expression of those eight versus the remaining thirty, you know, it starts to look a little odd.

I mean, you can you can always you know cut the sculpt the foam to recreate that as well.

If you so my my bigger concern is that the actual masonry isn't in filled with a different material, but if it's uh understanding that we maybe don't want to have to go back with new sills that we're going to then cover up.

My other another question I had was just regarding you.

You were saying to the right there, which would be cardinally west, that's the intended entrance for the new lobby.

Correct.

So right now where the the sign is and under there, yep.

You are going through a stairwell to get to inside the building.

Um which is not ideal, it's a narrow, it's there's a very tight ramp in going.

I know what you're talking about.

Yeah.

Um so I mean, one of the things again, I'm balancing kind of what we want to do.

If it was up to me, I'd keep it there, believe me.

But the brand is a hundred percent they're saying that cannot be our first guest experience walking through a stairwell to get to a lobby.

So they wanted to create a new entrance that is creates an arrival point.

So my question therefore is I'm not immediately seeing what provision are you creating for ADA accessibility for the So we addressed this with the architect.

The ADA accessibility still remains in the front of the building.

Okay.

Um there's a lift that gets you from the ground level to the first floor and then from first floor to the elevators.

So we're assuming that unfortunately, so okay.

Um I guess my only other comment was based on reading the minutes from the last presentation and at least seeing the packet that we have here I would have expected to see more significant deterioration of the wood windows, just just based on the conversation.

Um some of that is once we do it, then that room becomes on like we can't rent it.

Like we gotta sit there and like remove some paint, remove it to get to the inside portion to see where the rot is.

Okay.

Right.

Uh when our contractor again was doing the one original just the window they did, they ended up having to go back in and rebuild the entire frame uh to the studs that were there in order for it to find something to secure too.

Okay.

Um and that was on it wasn't even one of these ones where the sill was that bad.

It was caulking that was missing and everything else, right?

And then they just took a screwdriver into some of the other areas and we're just kind of punching through, and maybe we should have taken some of the pictures of that.

I mean, that's yeah, I'm not I'm not challenging your assertion.

I'm just saying based based on what we provided to evaluate.

Um I was expecting something that looked significantly more um deteriorated.

Yeah.

I think that's what they were trying to show.

I know it's the window pocket, but I think he's if you go back down right there of where he's pushing into, I that is like the area that's rotted beyond the pocket.

But it's I get it.

It's hard to see.

Yeah, yeah.

Behind.

So what it's secured to it.

Nicole, any comments?

Um I would just note that overall looking at this revised application.

Um I'm glad to see that the EFIS has been removed from that front projection.

I think that's a really great improvement.

Um what I had mentioned at the last meeting was my opinion, and I know it differed from the rest of the board.

Was that EFIS should just be limited to the um the rear facade where the north wall where the guests would be entering the hotel um as opposed to all of the other sides covering the existing masonry without repairing um I think would do more damage ultimately to the structure and the branding is already adequately expressed on that that north elevation and uh and the front with the signage that's proposed.

Um and I would also advise reconsidering the window material selection that the vinyl just really isn't going to last as long, and the damage doesn't seem to be that bad to the existing wood windows, but even if they do need to be replaced, aluminum or fiberglass would definitely be recommended over a PVC vinyl.

Thank you.

Just one more question about the signage.

So you said you want to put it on the east and west facades.

Not facade on the on the main where the entryway is.

Oh, okay, yeah, on the canopy.

Okay, not around the project.

Projecting canopy.

You're coming street level, you could see it.

Yep.

See it on the yeah, you see it in the other elevations.

No, that makes sense.

Yep, that's what I'm saying.

Oh yeah, yeah.

Uh, okay.

As you're walking down the sidewalk, I got it.

East elevation.

Okay.

Okay.

That's that sufficient for comment.

Do we need to wrap it all up?

What what's um are you looking for the detail um on the for the for the windows?

I mean, the information that you received in terms of the dimensions.

Do you need some time to review that?

Yeah.

Yeah, I'd like to.

I mean, obviously, we just received it, so I'd like to I'd like to see the product.

Go over it and then yeah, what product it actually is, and then how that's treated within the historic opening.

Then the historic opening.

Yeah.

Okay.

Um so uh it sounds as though you want to hold the comment open um for additional information on the on the windows.

Okay.

I stand here in support of the project, but I just I need to get all the information to be able to wholly understand the impact on the structure from from preservation board point of view.

Um so yeah.

I also wanted to show you this photo.

I actually just found that yesterday dated 1927 of our building that we're talking about right now.

So the the front facade looks uh pretty similar as it uh as it appears today.

But that shows you what the ground floor windows look like previously in that front entrance.

I just happened upon it yesterday afternoon.

I thought I'd share it.

Okay.

So um uh so uh just uh uh so you need uh so the board is requesting some additional information about uh uh really centering on the windows.

Yes.

Okay.

Um and I'll write that up and send it back to you, and then hopefully we'll be able to wrap this up uh at the next at the next meeting.

So you all right.

Um I have nothing further unless uh there's anything else.

Oh, except I do have is there any other official business?

Official business from the board.

No.

No.

Um I do have some sad news for us.

Is that Amber is moving on?

Oh no.

Yeah.

Um so uh she This is my last meeting.

Yeah, so Miss Hur, she's been a great help to me.

And um it's been great to have at least briefly a side pick.

Um thank you for having me.

Um it was really great being on this board.

I really appreciate all your valuable input.

I learned a lot about preservation the last year and a half, so thank you for having me.

I'm gonna keep watching the YouTube videos.

That doesn't do it justice.

Thank you very much for all your hard work and dedication that you've given us as the board over the last year and a half.

It's been a pleasure.

I'll still be in the city, so I'll still live around here.

But um living in clay well, working in clay, going to clay.

But I'll still be around.

I'll still maybe bother Kate about some projects.

Welcome back anytime.

Thank you for the thing.

Thank you very much.

Good luck.

Thank you.

Anything else?

Motion to adjourn.

I move to adjourn this second around.

All in favor?

Aye.

Opposed.

All right.

Motion carries.

Thank you very much.

Good work, guys.

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