5:36We have April 23rd to session.
5:40First order of business is to approve the minutes from the December 18th, 2025 meeting.
5:48Is there a motion to approve the minutes?
6:01The board will now conduct the public hearing on today's agenda.
6:04First, the applicant or applicant's representative will state the reasons for the requested variants and present any material or documentation which is to be considered regarding the proposal.
6:13Next, persons wishing to speak in favor of the proposal will be given the opportunity to address the board.
6:18Then persons who wish to speak in opposition will be allowed to address the board.
6:21Finally, the applicant or representative will be given the option to make any closing arguments or comments to the board.
6:27Following the public hearings this afternoon, the board may make a decision on each application heard.
6:32The board may also decide to hold this decision until the next public hearing.
6:35If the hearing is closed, no additional information will be allowed into the record except for information that the board may request.
6:41That information will be available for public review at the zoning office in one park place, 300 South State Street.
6:47Will staff introduce the first application, please.
6:50First up is a use variance V-2026-3 to establish six apartment units on the first floor of an existing story structure at 338 East Onadoga Street in the MX5 Zone District, uh represented by Joe Perano of N Architects.
7:09My name is Joe Perrino.
7:11I'm with InArchitects.
7:12We're at 239 Eastwater Street.
7:14And I'm here representing the current owners of the property as well as a client, our client and future owner who's uh High Tide Capital.
7:23Uh with me today is Christine Stevens and um from VIP structures, and I'd like to introduce Christine.
7:30She just wants to say a few words uh about the relationship.
7:36Um just really quickly the clients your name and your addressine.
7:40Christine Stevens, VIP structures 101 North Salina Street.
7:44Um VIP structures is currently the construction manager for these clients on their other project, which we're imminently completing, which is at 250 Harrison Street where Alan Angus pub is opposite the Tech Garden Inspire.
7:58Um the clients wine removed from the record, she called it the tech garden.
8:01No, I know formerly known as a symbol.
8:14Sophisticated developers, they specialize in mixed-use historic tax credit projects.
8:20They've got projects in Maine, New York, Connecticut, and North Carolina.
8:24This is their second project in New York State and their second project in the city of Syracuse, like I said, because we're wrapping up 250 Harrison Street.
8:31They are based in California, Florida, and Brooklyn, and the clients were unable to be here personally.
8:40But we wanted to keep the schedule going and get the meeting.
8:48Have done a marvelous job on 250 Harrison Street, have spent time with the former mayor, the current mayor when she was the mayoral candidate, the county executive.
8:57They're really committed to this marketplace.
9:00They're very sophisticated developers, they're very good at what they do, they understand market, they understand finance, they have investors, and they really are very excited about this next potential project in our in our town.
9:12Um VAP structures will be the construction manager again for the second project.
9:18Last time the architecture and engineering firms were from out of town.
9:21This time the architecture and engineering firms are local.
9:24Um also here is Matt Funichello, who is with JF Real Estate, a local firm.
9:30He's got the leasing and property management for 250 Harrison Street, and he's the broker representing the buyers in the acquisition of the subject property.
9:38And I believe behind me to my left are the sellers of the building.
9:41So we're all here in tremendous support of this project and hope that the application will be reviewed favorably by the board.
9:53Thank you, Christine.
9:54Um, the Monroe building at uh three three three East on Adagastree is a mid-20th century commercial office building that was construction in 1968.
10:04Um is designed by local architect uh Gordon Schauffer for the Monroe Abstract Entitle Company.
10:09Uh the modernist style building has a irregular shape footprint, as you can see.
10:15It's a very unique and it's part of the um the it's a contributing resource with the uh Montgomery Street Columbus Circle Historic District.
10:25Uh the project is the change of use of the building from an office building to a 46 unit apartment building with 12 one bedroom and 34 studio units.
10:38We plan to keep uh the two front bays on the ground floor as commercial um or that first 31 feet, as you can see on in the drawing there.
10:49That dark shade on the bottom is what we plan to keep as commercial.
10:53But what we would like to do is change from uh that 31 feet back, we'd like to uh put residential units there, and that's why we're here today is for those uh beyond the 31 feet.
11:06Uh, this property zone MX5, which is established for the central business district district to provide the highest density, transit supported residential development with maximum heights and minimum parking and the greatest range of use.
11:19Um the building was built as an office building, but like a lot of the buildings downtown, um, the commercial space, there's a high vacancy rate.
11:28Um, and we agree that the space along East Onadaga Street uh should remain commercial.
11:34We we don't want to change that ever to residential.
11:38Um given the the site, it's very difficult to have commercial beyond that space because it it's really it would be hard to rent that space beyond that.
11:51Uh the project, if approved today, will be historic preservation tax credit.
11:57Um, and the new owners have submitted a part one certificate certification application with the national parks and SHIPO.
12:05We presented the project this morning to the landmark preservation board, and uh we didn't have to have their their approval wasn't required, but we did get their approval of the project.
12:16They they love the project.
12:17Um so we are asking the board for a use variance for the ground floor space beyond the 31 feet to allow to be residential space.
12:27Um allowing the ground floor residential units is essential to the project because of the unique site condition and these circumstances satisfy all four of the standards of proof required for a use variance approval.
12:40The first one is a reasonable return.
12:42The Monroe building cannot generate a reasonable return if required to fill the entire ground floor with the commercial tenant.
12:50High tide capital has provided you with a financial analysis, and as you can see with the commercial tenants on the first floor, the performer only yields a negative 5% on the project, eliminating any basis of construction financing.
13:04No bank will finance a negative return, as you know.
13:08But with the residential variance variants that we're hoping to get today, uh the residential uses on the ground floor as proposed will yield a plus 15% return.
13:19Simply put, without the additional revenue per square foot generated by the residential units, the project does not pencil out.
13:26Um this is partially caused by a very high amount of environmental remediation, which is an unavoidable cost.
13:34Uh, we had paradigm environmental services perform a hazardous material survey.
13:39Um, and back in January 2025, and nearly everything that can be asbestos in this building is asbestos.
13:47It was you know, it was it was I've never seen it like that.
13:51Everything was hot, everything was hot.
13:53Um, so the direct environmental remediation cost before a single unit is built is six hundred and thirty thousand dollars.
14:01Um, and the cost is a real cost from a formal competitive quote uh from lion contracting.
14:07It's not an estimate.
14:08It was quoted, it was bid, it was quoted, and they are they're the low bit.
14:12So the hardship faced by the property are unique and arise from the the second one, sorry, skip that is the unique hardship.
14:21Uh the hardship faces is really the property um shape and size.
14:27There's only very little uh site left.
14:31There's only 10 feet from the building to the property line on the south end, and um it's really not viable to put commercial space back there.
14:40It's not can't be a retail, can't be, and it would really would would hurt for that um for us to force that to be um commercial space.
14:50Uh the third one is the use variants will not alter the character of the neighborhood.
14:56So we are planning on keeping the building facade exactly the way it is.
15:01We are gonna clean up the building.
15:23So there's two facades here that are brick and precast concrete.
15:31The north side is the basketball mural.
15:34You all you've seen the basketball or not, we're not gonna touch that.
15:37Um and then on the back is the um I don't know if you have a picture of the of the rear.
15:45Oh sorry, but the back is is painted concrete block, and it faces Montgomery Street.
15:51There's a parking lot there.
15:53Um and you could see that, yeah, right on the left there.
15:56That's the existing facade, and it's kind of a reddish painted um CMU.
16:04And um, so that is pretty much gonna stay the same.
16:07We are gonna add some windows on the in that back corner.
16:10Um I'll show you back here.
16:18So that's where we're gonna be adding windows.
16:21And the planning board was fine with that, or the uh landmark preservation board was fine with that.
16:26So we're really not changing the character of the neighborhood at all.
16:30Uh the hard the fourth is a hardship is not self-created.
16:34So high type capital did not create any of these conditions.
16:38Um they're just trying to invest in downtown Syracuse as they did in 250 Harrison Street, and to take a mostly vacant building and to change it into a vibrant occupant occupied building uh and to help with the current housing crisis that we are going through with Niss City and across the nation.
16:56Uh so we ask that you approve this use variance so we can keep this building viable for the next many decades.
17:07Uh questions from the board.
17:09I just want to note I have to recuse myself from the project.
17:13Is there a fence going?
17:16Um, so right now our uh we don't have our site engineer with us, uh Nathan uh from uh Vincent's uh from KFA.
17:25So uh right now I can show you this is not a site plan, but a uh fence will start a double gate, and then the fence will go and follow the property line all the way around.
17:41Um so we have to keep this area clear because this is one of our exits.
17:46Uh so there's an existing guardrail right now that's uh that's on our property that's actually only on the county that's on the property.
17:55So we're gonna remove that and we're gonna put that fence right on the property line that'll extend all the way down.
18:01The fence is gonna be a broad iron fence.
18:03It'll match the fence that is currently not in the picture, but it's currently on the back map building.
18:10So broad iron picket fence that's uh will have a lot of open air so that you can see through.
18:19We originally had um it was like a uh it was almost like a stockade fence that uh you couldn't see through, but after when we talked to zoning and we walked through with Noah and the building, he had said that you know we really should have this so that you can see through there so nobody's hiding in there.
18:37And so we we took that advice and we when we changed um we changed the fence.
18:43Yeah, and is the county the county is on board with the fence there to since you're right on the property line.
18:49So we will be going through site plan approval.
18:52Um that's if we can get this variance, that's our next step, and that'll be next month.
18:57Um so we are staying on our property, so um, and we're gonna make the situation better.
19:07We're gonna we're gonna prevent people from right now, they cut through the process.
19:12That was my question, yeah.
19:13Like there's a small gap between the library and your fence.
19:17And I was just wondering how you're well, we can't it's not your property area, but creating a condition.
19:22We can't stop that because that's like you said, that's a county property.
19:26Um, but we want to uh put that fence all the way around and connect it to the building and go all the way around just to maintain so that we can keep our egress clear out of that back door.
19:37Um so we don't have any control over that, but we're trying because right now people kind of just cut through and they just walk down that that paved area and that concrete area, and there's a lot of times there's uh you know there could be homeless uh unhoused people that are in that uh in that back area.
19:57So we we want to keep that secure for our residents.
20:00You know, that's what was I was just wondering if that's gonna make the situation better or worse for in terms of encampments in that back.
20:08Well, we are we will plan on putting some curity cameras and things back there, but um, you know, at first I was thinking no, we want to have it uh solid, but after talking to Noah, and um we thought that it would be best if it was open so that it didn't have uh so people you know you could see who's there, you know.
20:26Jake, does the site plan review get referred referred to the fire department?
20:30I'm curious if they have any thoughts on the Yeah, so there, and then there's actually some stuff in the code about creating like these debt areas and areas that can't be viewed.
20:39Um and speaking just from experience with police department, like they're gonna want open view too.
20:45Um you know, for a crime prevention through environmental design, this is probably a best practice.
20:50So if you're looking at it from those viewpoints, but yes, um there we do work with the fire department on barriers like this to make sure that we're not creating dangerous areas.
21:01But to to elaborate on what um Joe is saying is we have to provide egress to the public way um by code.
21:09So what he's saying is if there's an exit there, we have to provide a designated area to get them out to the public right away.
21:16So this fence is gonna establish that, move the guardrail off their property line.
21:21The county site that their parking area will still be open and viewable from Montgomery, and I can't imagine it's gonna function any different other than you're not gonna see a guardrail, you'll see a wrought iron gate, which you can see through, but it'll maintain this legal egress path out to the public way for tenants exiting out of that back corner.
21:43Any other questions from the board?
21:46The I think the app this might be um the acronym is escaping me, but like the service uh yes, CR.
21:56I think the application uh states that the threshold is 1.3.
22:02Um is that based on like lender feedback specific to this project, or is that just a standard question from the board?
22:37Uh anybody else who would like to speak in favor of the application.
22:44Anybody who wishes to speak against the application.
22:52I am gonna call that public hearing closed.
22:57So we should do seeker next and then go from there.
23:01Um has everyone had an opportunity to review the EF part one prepared by the applicant and contain in your packet?
23:08Has everyone had an opportunity to review the EAF part two prepared by staff and contained in your packet?
23:15Does anyone believe that the proposed action will have a moderate to large impact under CECRA?
23:21Having determined that the proposed action will not have a moderate large impact, I recommend that the commission make a negative declaration and prepare the EAF part three accordingly.
23:33I have a motion on the negative declaration.
23:37Yep, motion for negative declaration.
23:42All those in favor of the neg deck.
23:46All right, so moving forward.
23:48Um I think Joe did a great job going through the criteria, but the board should go through that, make findings effect, kind of check the boxes, and then somebody can make a motion.
23:57And if you choose, um, take it to a vote.
24:01Would anybody like to make a motion on this application?
24:05I'll move to approve the application for a use variance at 333 East on Andaga Street.
24:12Uh going through the four criteria that you should wait for a second before she does out.
24:16Um I don't know that you have to.
24:21But uh we got a second.
24:23Caitlin, will you take us through the standard of proof, please?
24:26The applicant has done a great job of showing that there will be they cannot achieve a reasonable return on investment without this use variance.
24:32I appreciate you showing your math.
24:34Not all applicants do that.
24:36Um, but you've shown that there won't be a sufficient uh debt service coverage without it.
24:41Um the unique circumstances, this is certainly a unique building.
24:44Um it is unusual to have such a narrow street frontage downtown.
24:48Um neighborhood character, you won't really be changing anything about the neighborhood character uh whatsoever, there won't be any significant exterior changes and self-created hardship.
25:00And self-created hardship, it is certainly not uh self-created that the market for office space has significantly changed downtown since this property was built.
25:05Anything to add again?
25:09Uh all those Can you amend the motion to include um if you choose the recommended uh conditions on page 10 of your packet?
25:19There are seven of them.
25:20Um if you choose to just read them into the record.
25:25Yes, um, I would like to amend my motion to uh recommend that this be approved subject to the recommended conditions from the staff.
25:32Uh one that the applicant shall comply with the comments and recommendations of the Onodaka County Planning Board as incorporated into the companion major site plan review.
25:40Uh that curbing and landscaping within the front setback shall be installed to prevent vehicles from entering and parking within the public sidewalk area.
25:47Snow storage shall be maintained on site in the designated area and shall not encroach into the public right-of-way or adjacent properties.
25:54The applicant shall coordinate with uh Onadaga County Department of Water Environment and Protection Flow Control Division for any infrastructure related to land disturbance within the county easement uh and include county owned infrastructure must be on the related plans.
26:08The proposed use variants only grants six ground floor residential units as proposed.
26:13Uh the applicant shall submit an additional variance application if they intend to convert the front commercial space in the future.
26:19The attached site plans and floor plans shall be revised to be consistent with the approved major site plan review um after the uh prior to the issuance of any permits.
26:28And any commercial uses proposed in the front commercial space will require site plan review prior to occupancy.
26:37All those in favor of the amended resolution.
26:49Also for the uh purpose of the minutes, uh for the seeker, there is also uh you know, he cookies himself as well.
26:57So just to have on the record.
27:02Uh staff introduced the next application.
27:06Next is another use variance, uh V-2026 7 to establish and maintain an automobile repair heavy land use type at 2156, Erie Boulevard East.
27:20Owner Marla Cohen, applicant Ryan Cohen.
27:22This is in the MX2 zone district.
27:26Oh, also be recusing myself from this.
27:33We run a tight ship.
27:34Hi, Christian Freeman of Keplinger Freeman Associates.
27:38Uh our offices are located at 6320 Fly Road.
27:41Um here representing Marla as the owner, Ryan as the applicant slash manager.
27:46And um colloquially, this project to us is known as Fred's at 2156 Erie Boulevard.
27:53Um so I'm gonna go through this piecemeal, but I think I'll start at 500 feet and kind of stay out there just to start.
28:00So on the existing property, as you could see, um, it has sort of an industrial flair to the site.
28:06Um this project site has been home to an auto mechanic use um as early as 1964, which represents a time that's older than my parents.
28:19So we're getting into a little bit of history here.
28:22Um the building has not been rented the entire time, but it um so there's been lapsing in the tenants, but that use has been on this site as early as 1964.
28:31So um I think that speaks to a little bit of what we're after here.
28:36So we're requesting that the proposed use of the heavy auto or um I guess you could call it auto body shop, um, that use be granted to the space indicated in our submitted plans.
28:51And um I can go through the the uses, but I think it's also important to note that this is an existing building over those years since 1964 has been characterized and amended to work with this use.
29:03So we have things like drive-in and roll up doors, we have shelving and all kinds of attachments and and appurtenances within the building that are specific to this auto use.
29:16Um I think uh maybe I shouldn't disclose this, but Ryan and I had a dream of rethinking this building in a way that was more true to an MX2.
29:27Um and he penciled it out, and um, I'll let Ryan talk money, but uh this the significant cost versus what you would get out of amending a building that's highly specialized and historically sort of rooted in this auto use was a challenge and just not in the cards fiscally for um Ryan and Marla.
29:46I can um begin to go through the description of the proposed use.
29:52I guess I'll just highlight.
29:54So it operates a professional and auto body repair and finishing shop.
30:00What's interesting to me is while this building has a history of vacancies.
30:05I'm sorry, it's been occupied the whole like since 1964, it's been occupied.
30:10There was never a lapse in occupation.
30:13Oh, I thought the I thought the auto use was.
30:15No, Ryan, would you mind just uh sorry?
30:17Would you mind just introducing yourself and your address and then you guys can talk?
30:20But then you're in the record.
30:21Ryan Cohen, 8011 Summerview Drive in Fayetteville.
30:25Um my parents bought the building from Fred, who has been there since 1964.
30:30And in the space that we're applying for the variants, Fred has been using it for an auto-body auto repair shop.
30:40And I submitted with it his historic records from the DMV that he has a valid um auto body repair license.
30:49And when my parents bought it, Fred was in financial hardships, and uh my parents, my dad was friends with Fred, and um so when we bought it, I tried to lease it as you know, for the MX2 approved tenants.
31:06I tried very, very hard.
31:07Uh did a lot of cold calling signage, all this, you know, talking to real estate agents.
31:12Um I found um AR customs, a tenant, and I think it's best suited because it was an existing, it was already being used that way.
31:21So Fred just moved into a smaller portion of the building.
31:24Um you think Fred is?
31:28He's he's he's still he's still working, but he reduced the size of his business a lot.
31:34And we found another local business to take the space and continue the use.
31:40Um and now I think I'm rambling.
31:42Well, I guess where I was going with this is portions of the building have been used or not used, but what Ryan has done now is he he's created a plan for this building to be fully leased, um, which I think represents a win for uh a site that's a little bit difficult to do so with.
31:58Um so I'll go through the the reasonable return.
32:01We sort of touched on this.
32:02Um, despite our efforts to really comply to the MX2 and be in the heart of the code.
32:07Um, it just wasn't really financially feasible.
32:10If you have questions on that, I'll defer to Ryan.
32:12Um unique circumstances.
32:14Um this is a unique sort of situation because the use and the nature and the design of the building and how it was, you know, amended over time was previous to the MX2 code, obviously.
32:29So you know, that's kind of the unique circumstance I would highlight.
32:33Um, just high level here, additional bathrooms, HVAC systems, new lighting, closing up garage doors, moving walls around, all these things would be required to reallocate and be in the in the heart and spirit of MX2.
32:47Um, so for those reasons, we'd love to continue the the use that's there now.
32:52And then neighborhood character, um, speaking for 500 feet again.
32:56I think what's most important here is having a building like this full and leased and tenanted.
33:02And um, you know, if you look at some of the surrounding areas, there's light industrial commercial uses that are similar, even other auto body shops nearby.
33:11However, also mixed in with those are some abandoned and you know, long abandoned and derelict properties.
33:19So I think the goal that I would like the board to maybe back us on a little bit is to keep it keep it full.
33:26That's that's better than empty, that's better than derelict.
33:29And Ryan's gonna you know get these tenants in and liven the space up.
33:33Um so that's neighborhood character, and then self-created.
33:36Um, I guess this is not self-created because the the use has been there, it's been continuous there, and the code kind of followed that.
33:46At least that's that's where we got it from our house.
33:53You got do you got anything, Ryan?
33:56Um, well, we called we called the zoning office when we when we placed these tenants in 2021, and they told us that it was an approved use.
34:05So that's you know, we we thought we were within the right zoning.
34:13At the time, yeah, at the time, so this was prior to rezone, obviously, that conversation.
34:19Uh new zoning code was adopted in July of 2023, um, which created sort of uh the condition and and why they're here today.
34:27So just for some additional background and context, um thinking back, and I you know, I wasn't directly involved at the time, like maybe this could have been zoned commercial.
34:37Um, you know, could go either way with it, I suppose, but it's very possible that it could have.
34:42And we're about to pass out a oned dog county planning board comment as well.
34:47Um essentially, like that's their suggestion.
34:50Like they don't have a position per se, but they have a comment where they're just saying, you know, potentially there's other alternatives.
35:00Um we don't necessarily agree with that as professional staff that we should rezone it.
35:02Um because we believe you know, to the to their point and their testimony, like there has been automotor uh shop repair here for 20 plus years or longer.
35:12Um the process of this variance procedure would allow specific the specific use to continue, uh, which staff uh has reviewed and and uh agrees that it's reasonable, and it also allows this board to include any site-related design requirements or conditions um that could potentially be relevant in a commercial zone district.
35:34You know, uh I state that in saying like in lieu of doing a rezoning, which a rezoning would really could draw questions about creep and potentially spot zoning as well.
35:45Um and I don't really want to go backwards.
35:47We're looking to go forward with what's there, what's been operating there for years, uh, make sure that's appropriate um and improve the site and um go from there.
35:57So hopefully that helps answer um or give some context to this comment and the history of this site.
36:03Uh super helpful, thank you.
36:05And this was just yesterday that they met.
36:07So yeah, so we're that's why we're passing them out to you now.
36:11Uh fresh off the printer.
36:12But uh, if you read the comment at the end, um I think I spoke to most of it, but if there's any questions, happy to go through it further.
36:21Uh any questions from the board for the applicants.
36:28No questions of is this at on the edge of the MS2 district?
36:35Like it's commercial adjacent.
36:37Do we have a map in the I was just sure it's like 59.
36:49So the red is MX commercial and the blue is MX2.
36:54Yeah, so that's what I meant by like, you know, maybe looking back when the map was adopted, like potentially could this have been looked at and said, you know, let's make this commercial too.
37:03Um, you know, creating a whole new zoning map for a city of 42,000 parcels with that's completely built out and really old is is very challenging.
37:13So I think you could go either way with it, but I think the the variance kind of grandfathers if it's approved, um, it would grandfather the use that's already been there.
37:24Um, and you can set similar conditions if you choose.
37:27If there's anything, you know, from a commercial zone district that you want to implement into this, we can always add it as a condition.
37:34But um generally speaking, I think our our staff review kind of covers uh most of that.
37:40And there are companion, like they're gonna need site plan review and all that as well.
37:45So there's there's other is this before us today because you don't believe it is grandfathered.
37:51Um because it's I think it's like a different, it's almost like establishing a different tenant too, because things have moved around within the site and it's changed.
38:05Um I mean, Nate or Noah, do you have anything to add to that?
38:11Yeah, you can go to the mic.
38:14The reviewers are a little bit more intimate to the just a little clarification.
38:17The fresh bots, it's actually more for automobile sales, and clearly they're proposing proposing the tenants for auto uh repair heavy.
38:28So actually two different land use type than for the record and thing we need to actually um establish this undocumented um land use.
38:39Wow, the uh the fatest sports do the BTR's legal nonconforming, which is the grandfather use.
38:48So it was previously automobile sales.
38:53There were multiple uses.
38:54So he had um Freddy.
38:58Um so Fred was doing automobile sales in part of the building and repairs in another part of the building and kind of retail in another part of the building.
39:07Um so the part of the building that we're asking for a variance for was the part that he was using for repair.
39:16So a lot of times uh historically, we don't have records that substantiate that.
39:21A lot of times, like and I'll just be honest, some people will come to me similar to what you just said a few minutes ago and say, Well, the zoning staff in 2015 said we were on the phone.
39:33I don't remember the lady's name.
39:35She said we were we were good, we were legal, and it's kind of yeah, yeah, yeah.
39:45No, no, no, you're not.
39:46I'm just trying to explain the situation.
39:47Like, I think what this does is it it puts it on the record, and it allows it to show that, like, hey, we went through the process, and here are the conditions for approval, and and it'll create a resolution that will forever be able to be found and and documented to we appreciate your thoroughness.
40:05Marlick Cohen 5201 Hog Lane Fayetteville.
40:08So Fred did have repair, whatever you call it for the whole building.
40:13He he took up the whole building.
40:16And he kind of did everything all over the building.
40:18But the specific area where we're talking about was the main part because that's it has the high garage doors and the high ceiling and concrete floors and everything.
40:28That was the main part.
40:29But his licenses that he did have for repair shop covered the whole building from 19 whatever 64.
40:37I mean it's been there a long time.
40:42Any other questions from the board?
40:46I guess a question for staff.
40:47So you don't know with rezone.
40:49Was there a vision for this whole MX2 area that included residential in the future?
40:57Um I can't really speak to the origins of like the planning kind of hopes and wishes of it, but I think anybody that knows Erie Boulevard well knows like that we want to see investment, we want to see reinvestment to existing structures, we want to see new structures.
41:14So I think it was a combination of that.
41:18Uh you know, we had like initially in the code we had like a two-story minimum, um, but that's also something that we looked at for like existing structures that became a challenge of people that just want to remodel an existing structure that doesn't meet that.
41:32So like we put some provisions in to adjust that.
41:34So yeah, I don't know if that answers your question, but um I don't really know.
41:48Uh anybody else who wishes to speak in favor of the application?
41:52She said to the empty room.
41:55Anybody who wishes to speak against the application.
42:01I am gonna call that public hearing closed.
42:07You wish to turn to seeker.
42:09I would love to talk about it.
42:11Has everyone had an opportunity to review the EF part one prepared by the applicant and containing your packet?
42:17Has everyone had an opportunity to review the EAF part two prepared by staff and containing your packet?
42:23Does anyone believe that the proposed action will have a moderate large impact under CECRA?
42:31Um sorry, I just swiped off my um having determined that the proposed action will not have a moderate to large impact.
42:41I recommend that the commission or the board make a negative declaration uh and prepare the EAF part three accordingly.
42:50Uh can I get a motion for a negative declaration?
42:53Or a motion on Seeker.
42:55I don't need to tell you what what your motion should be.
42:58A motion for negative declaration.
43:02Um all those in favor?
43:05Uh against it this time.
43:12Uh I will now take a motion uh on the application.
43:17Which number is escaping me right now because I've lost all my stuff.
43:26You got a lot of reading to do, so think hard about long and hard.
43:40I forgot what we decided.
43:41We're gonna take a second, then you can go through it.
43:45Will you uh take us through?
43:47Uh as far as reasonable return, I think um the application and the presentation uh addressed um difficulties they would have uh in as opposed to um uh the stable and annual revenue that they would um able to occur if they continue with use uh unique circumstances.
44:15I think uh the way in which the property was originally designed um and the way it's been operating for all of this time, and including uh 2021 zoning uh with neighborhood character.
44:31Um I think the neighborhood character would remain the same because this has been a part of the neighborhood's character for all this time.
44:39Um, as far as the self-created difficulty, I think really pretty similar to unique circumstances as far as the design of the property um and the way that's been being used.
44:56Um understanding legally all over all this time.
45:01Caitlin, anything to add.
45:11So I will just amend my motion to my motion, not my motion.
45:17To include the staff recommendations to approve conditional upon the staff recommendations that the applicant shall comply with the general conditions for approval and the variance application.
45:30That the applicant shall comply with the comments and recommendations of the Anadaga County Planning Board as incorporated into the companion major site plan.
45:41All painting and repairing shall be limited inside the building.
45:45Outdoor activities are not allowed except for accessory parking within the side or rear setback.
45:51No parking shall be located within the front setback.
45:55The proposed use variants only grants the automobile repair heavy in the east tenant space per the attached floor plan.
46:10And finally, that the attached site and floor plans shall be revised to be consistent with the approved major site plan prior to issuance of any permits.
46:22Having done all that, all those in favor.
46:27Against one abstention.
46:34I will take a motion to adjourn.
46:44I'm glad you moved closer now.