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Syracuse City Council Meeting - April 29, 2026

Public MeetingsWednesday, April 29, 2026
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DateWednesday, April 29, 2026
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5:24

Good afternoon everybody.

5:26

We're gonna start our session.

5:30

All right, I'm just catching my breath.

5:32

Give me a minute.

5:36

Okay, here we go.

5:39

All righty.

5:40

So we have two public meet hearings coming up.

5:45

The first relative to the DPW municipal sidewalk program.

5:48

That will be May 4th at 1 PM.

5:52

The second one relative to the annual estimate of the city of Syracuse and the City School District fiscal year.

6:00

And that would be uh tonight, April 29th at 5 30 PM.

6:04

We'll go through more conversation during the meeting.

6:08

Uh Councilor Monto.

6:10

Thank you, President Panagua.

6:12

Um I have 9A and that one is ready.

6:16

We tabled that last time, right?

6:18

Um thank you.

6:20

So it's ready?

6:21

Yep.

6:22

Okay.

6:27

And we have a resolution approving appointments.

6:29

Is that ready?

6:30

Not yet.

6:31

Okay, so not ready.

6:44

Thank you.

6:45

If um which is um with the appreciation day for the city of Syracuse Shelter has been a continuous this is for the Sharkel solutions.

6:57

They have an appreciation day uh for their providers, and it continues to be the lifeline of for families and communic uh communities serving us as critical foundation of our local economy.

7:10

So we're gonna build a resolution uh to hand uh give them on next Monday.

7:16

Okay, uh is everyone on board.

7:18

Oh, yes, I am on board, yeah.

7:21

Uh so counselor, I just want to verify that so you're giving the resolution to child care solution.

7:26

Yes.

7:27

I'll make sure um some of the changes.

7:28

It is through ch Yes, it's I'll make sure some of the changes uh are made because it's kinda like a resolution appreciation of the So they have their own pro the providers that they serve and this is for those providers.

7:39

Okay, okay.

7:40

All right.

7:49

Okay, thank you.

7:51

All righty.

7:52

Um I'm taking Councillor Caldwell's number twelve.

7:57

Okay.

7:58

Thanks.

8:01

Uh Craig Whitmer with the Office of Analytics Performance and Innovation.

8:04

Um item number twelve is um seeking permission to enter into an agreement uh with SU's Maxwell School of Citizenship and Public Affairs.

8:13

Oh we have a uh ten week fellowship program uh looking to provide an opportunity for a graduate student to um based on their proposal, engage uh with the city uh through our office uh to conduct a ten week study and offer uh work product to our office that will hopefully enable us to um take some action or make some improvements internally.

8:36

We have uh two really great candidates that we're interviewing uh tomorrow for it and uh hope that this is the start of a really great uh continued and deepened partnership.

8:45

Uh the amounts uh reflected here, it's five thousand dollars uh from the city side, that's coming from API's uh summer intern budget already, and twenty-five hundred from uh Maxwell.

8:56

The reason for the difference there is that we're going to uh take the work product and kind of get something out of it more than Maxwell.

9:04

Um the correction is made on uh on the agenda.

9:09

It's just in your book, I just did it today.

9:12

Okay.

9:13

Are there any questions?

9:14

Yeah, do we have to accept the money from Maxwell?

9:19

Was that a step?

9:20

Is it a it's like a delation.

9:23

So they'll be invoicing us and we will be paying that.

9:26

Oh okay.

9:27

Okay.

9:27

All right.

9:31

All righty.

9:31

Thank you.

9:32

Thank you, Councillor Majok.

9:34

Thank you, Madam President.

9:36

I have item counselor.

9:39

I have item thirteen to twenty-four.

9:44

Who's from DPW gonna take item thirteen?

9:47

Thirteen and fourteen, you know that's uh uh uh budget related, so okay.

9:55

So there's uh the there's need to be a revision in this number.

10:00

We just came from the leadership meeting and they've it's a four million five, it should be the same number in 13 and 14.

10:06

Oh shit, okay.

10:07

So the three million and the four they should all be 4.5, right?

10:10

Okay, we got it.

10:11

Which every it is but the same.

10:13

4.5.

10:16

Uh for both of them, yeah.

10:19

Okay.

10:20

All right, now go on.

10:21

Uh item 16.

10:23

What about 15?

10:26

15 is all the companion item from uh 15.

10:31

Wait, wait, you're right.

10:31

You're right.

10:32

You're right.

10:32

So 13 and 14 are the same.

10:34

Right.

10:35

Uh 15.

10:36

I'm excited, okay.

10:39

Ken, come on.

10:45

And items 15, 16, and 17 are all related to the new sensors.

10:50

We're gonna put in the street lighting platform.

10:52

15 and 17 are for the issuance of bonds and authorized uh not to exceed 3 million dollars for the purchase of the sensors.

11:01

Wait, wait, wait.

11:02

It's not to exceed 3 million or is it 4.5?

11:05

That's the same.

11:06

No, we're on 15.

11:09

Yeah.

11:10

Okay.

11:10

So what we were saying is item 13 has four four million five hundred and forty three.

11:17

Are we on seven?

11:18

And then and then you see you see the discrepancy between thirteen and fourteen?

11:22

Yeah.

11:23

Uh so those are companions.

11:26

And then 15 and 16, is it?

11:28

Yeah, 15 and 16 are companion.

11:30

And 17.

11:31

15 and 17 are the bonds and the authorization to spend not to exceed 3 million dollars.

11:37

Yeah, and then 16 is to enter an agreement with uh Zio, also known as best in ubiquia, to supply the sensors for us.

11:45

Okay, so the software this is the software and the hardware that we talked about on Monday at the committee meeting.

11:51

Okay, okay.

11:51

And I I do have a question on this.

11:53

Three million dollars is the upfront cost.

11:55

Is there any other cost additional after the three million for maintenance or whatnot?

12:00

Oh, for maintenance, no.

12:01

So uh if we need to buy hardware down the road, we will have to purchase it, and I'll put that in my budget every year.

12:08

Um there is a 10-year warranty on the sensor, so if we need new sensors and they're their problem and not an accident, for example, uh they'll supply them to us.

12:16

But I saw that there's a 10-year warranty, but we only have a five-year contract with them, right?

12:21

Correct, with a one-year, five-year extension.

12:24

Okay.

12:24

Okay, thank you.

12:27

Any other questions?

12:28

Well, Ken, I want to really appreciate you for the work you do.

12:32

Okay, thank you.

12:33

Thank you.

12:35

Um, item 18.

12:39

And 19.

12:40

18 and 19, I think.

12:41

18 and 19 are companion pieces.

12:43

Man, I like the way this is moving.

12:46

Good afternoon, counselors.

12:47

Mary Robison, City Engineer.

12:49

So this is for the um new parking lot for the police at uh 1153 West Fayette.

12:56

This is at the corner of Magnolia Street and Fayette.

12:59

We received bids, and unfortunately, the bids came in higher than our budget.

13:04

So I'm asking for an additional um bonding and project authorization in the amount of 250,000 dollars, bringing the total cost to be 1.65 million.

13:15

How many bits did we have?

13:17

I was about to say, well, not even go on.

13:18

Go on.

13:19

No.

13:19

How many bits?

13:20

I think it's four.

13:21

We all we only have four.

13:22

About four, yep.

13:23

That's pretty good.

13:24

That's pretty much can we get a can we get a list of the parking lots for that?

13:32

Uh just every week is different ones.

13:36

If you can get a list that says this lot, that lot, that lot.

13:41

Three lots that we're doing.

13:42

This is the first one.

13:44

Um, and the next one is um between Fowler High School and 1153, a lot a small lot by Harbor Brook.

13:55

And to counselor Joan Row's a point when you sent us those three lots.

13:58

We know they've been all over.

14:00

Yep.

14:00

Try to consolidate the amount of money as well that it we are investing into those three lots as well.

14:06

Estimated cost, okay.

14:08

The cost as well.

14:09

Okay.

14:10

Thank you.

14:11

The one in the plaza, right?

14:13

That's a space.

14:14

That one is a separate one where we're leasing a portion of the plaza.

14:20

And if we're owning them and leasing them, I want it, I want all of that.

14:23

Okay.

14:23

And one sheet.

14:25

Okay.

14:25

That works.

14:28

Mary, given the location of this lot, is there any engagement with Save the Rain project?

14:33

Are there are we doing um any permeability in this pavement?

14:36

Is there any cost savings as opposed to the hardscaping solutions that we have bid on that we could be doing on green infrastructure?

14:43

We are installing standard pavement, um porous pavement.

14:48

We don't have the city doesn't have a vacuum to because that has to be maintained in vacuum to clean up the sediment.

14:55

We are building a stormwater collection system to catch the storm water.

15:00

Um but no, I mean, and there are some grass areas to also catch the runoff.

15:07

You may not know this, just if you do.

15:09

Is this a combined sewer overflow area?

15:11

Has that already been remediated?

15:14

Um actually it's separated.

15:15

It has been separated.

15:16

Okay, great.

15:19

I I understand that the maintenance requirements in terms of permeable pavement, but what about pavers?

15:26

Uh I mean, I know the cost of cement is going through the roof, and I'm sure asphalt is similarly.

15:31

Well, it's going through the roof because of the fuel cost.

15:34

Um could we look for definite solution in the RFPs?

15:38

It's kind of too late because we bit already bid the project and they need the parking lot.

15:44

I think that would be even more expensive.

15:46

And I would worry about differential settlement with pavers.

15:50

Uh you could put it, I suppose, on concrete, but we don't typically do that in a parking lot.

15:56

Sidewalk, yes.

15:58

Or walking space.

16:00

So there's no way to avoid the 1.4 million dollar bond here?

16:04

No.

16:05

No.

16:07

Um I propose a bake sale.

16:10

Think we could raise some money to cover the cost of the extension here.

16:14

I like I like big goods.

16:16

I'll spend money.

16:17

My other question, Mary, is how many spots total are there gonna be for the police when this is done?

16:22

I don't know that the exact number, but it's a little over a hundred.

16:25

Okay, and that they're all gonna be used.

16:28

Because I I did get some complaints from some of the neighboring businesses that their parking areas are being taken up, especially the gear factory who has apartments upstairs and they're trying to attract a business downstairs that they'll have absolutely no place to park for people.

16:45

Um it's gonna be used for patrol vehicles, so um I've I've been advised that we need they need every parking space they can get.

16:54

And this was a a vacant, not a vacant lot.

16:57

It was uh it's part of the school district property.

17:01

There was no parking here previously.

17:03

Was all for school district storage.

17:08

Sorry.

17:09

Good afternoon, counselors.

17:10

Eric on us uh with the mayor's office.

17:12

We have been have also having conversations from property owners like the gear factory and some of the other uh stakeholders in the West Side neighborhood.

17:18

Um we in conversations with Circuits Police and with our team, it is um in the immediate need we know as the facility is opening the ability to address those parking needs and challenges.

17:27

We're also thinking about the long term as well and looking at as the Gaddis Street area and as the corridor there continues to grow, how parking will be a factor in that.

17:35

So there is to some extent we're looking both short term and long term, and that's been part of the conversation with some of the stakeholders, including the gear factory, um, on ways to do that.

17:44

And I know there was a request just made, counselor, for a map, so there's a few different areas in which parking is helping contribute, but we are looking at this as well from the global perspective of the nearby property owners as well.

17:54

Okay.

17:55

All right, yeah, I know he had a business interested in going into his downstairs area, and they can't come without parking.

18:01

Yeah, I was over there earlier this week actually just having that conversation with with that property owner.

18:06

So, yeah.

18:07

Absolutely.

18:07

So no, we're we're still actively talking with them though.

18:09

So appreciate it, Eric.

18:10

Thanks for having me.

18:10

Any other questions?

18:15

Uh item.

18:18

Thank you, Mary.

18:20

Um Eric, you take an item 20?

18:22

Yes, just to speak to this.

18:24

This uh what is before you would be a um request for authorization for the 90-day extension.

18:30

So as we've had conversations uh before, previous 90-day extension was one or a 90-day uh period was administratively uh authorized, but this would be a 90-day extension through the end of June.

18:42

Uh conversations we realize are ongoing, but this ultimately would bring the current um status of the project and the ongoing construction and closure into compliance through the end of June as as our dialogue continues.

18:54

And uh Eric, I want to thank you for all the works you have put in to this.

18:59

Um we that's that's so much that is not right with the legislation and the way it's getting in force.

19:08

And many of us here are including you do identify a rooms for opportunities to really improve this legislation and the efficiency of it.

19:20

And letting this go and allow ourselves to really dig into the legislation and how we've been doing business is going to take a comprehensive look.

19:29

And we are already scheduling that to make sure that that that conversation takes place.

19:35

And so this is uh this is something that was already in the books.

19:42

Uh we want to push it through.

19:44

Not the extension though.

19:45

Not the extension.

19:46

Well, I have a I have some.

19:47

I mean the work itself, the project out express.

19:51

Um when we heard from the um, I don't know if they were developers or SU, I'm not sure who it was, but um when we heard about this project, well, maybe it was you.

20:04

But the dates were all over the place.

20:08

Um so as far as like the narrowing down of exactly when the 90 day did start.

20:15

Um I don't know if we have that information.

20:19

Um and I think that we're well beyond that, or even possibly that they started far before that.

20:26

Um the before the dates that were given, because they were they were multiple dates.

20:31

Um so the start date was one date at one point, and then it was another date thrown out there.

20:36

So um I just don't know when the 90 days began.

20:41

Okay.

20:41

Um and then the other thing is the collection of fees.

20:47

Um and where are we with that?

20:49

But that should be sure.

20:50

I can and I'll speak to both those points.

20:52

So the timeline, what I'll do is go back and share.

20:54

I know there had been a few different communications that I had previously provided.

20:58

Um the timeline was approximately late December.

21:01

I just don't have the the dates immediately offhand, but late December through uh late March, and then ultimately then the 90-day extension would bring us through the end of June.

21:11

So I will go back and make sure that those dates, you know, consistent with what was shared previously with my email and make sure that we have those dates for the yeah.

21:17

So there was there was like something that was shared for August.

21:23

And I'm sorry, August of the previous year.

21:26

Yeah.

21:27

Okay.

21:27

25.

21:29

Okay.

21:29

What we were doing was ultimately when the actual date in which the road closure began.

21:35

So that those are the dates that I'll be able to go back and share.

21:37

I'm not familiar with the August date, but what I can do is I'll share that information of the timeline based on the information that we have.

21:43

Um regarding the fees, so counselor, just to share with you.

21:46

So in total, um, and I know we've had the discussion around both refundable and non-refundable.

21:51

So right now, as it stands today, the payments that have been contributed and made um by combination of the university and Hanarhoy take us through the end of June.

22:00

So and that's consistent with the legislation that's before you.

22:03

That total for non-refundable is 197,198 dollars.

22:08

In addition, there is the refundable portion, which requires the rate-of-way improvements to be done to city standard, but that is refundable for 679,74.

22:21

I don't have the cumulative right now, but I can share that information with you again.

22:25

Um, and that is strictly for the road closure itself.

22:28

There's other fees, non-refundable fees that have been contributed for other permits and elements of the project.

22:32

But that is through that would be through the end of June, consistent with the extension request that's before you.

22:39

And then we realize that this any anything going beyond June would come back to the council.

22:44

And the refundable um fees are the is that in the cash form or are those in bond?

22:50

That is a there is it is cash deposit or letter of credit bond is not something that's yeah, so yeah, they they paid by check.

23:01

Okay.

23:03

Could you get the total of everything refundable now, refundable fees?

23:07

Could you get that whole total number?

23:08

Yep, absolutely.

23:09

I'll pull the communication then and then make sure those numbers are up to date and reflected as of today.

23:14

Well, Eric, has this contractor ever bonded for work with the city and then failed to perform?

23:22

I don't I can I'll verify.

23:24

Thank you.

23:24

And I'll just confirm that.

23:25

Yep.

23:26

So one of my one of my issues um with this is um, you know, we're looking at the budget season right now.

23:33

We're going to go into our reserve funds this year again.

23:37

And um SU is um, well, it's a benefit to our city, it's also a burden at times.

23:45

And um, being that they're tax exempt, it it just it doesn't sit well with me to continually waive fees for them when we're going into our reserves, and it feels to me that we're not being fiscally responsible to our taxpayers.

24:00

That's just me feeling that way.

24:03

Um so are they gonna be paying any fees over this next 90 days, or is this just gonna be we're waiving all fees for 90 days?

24:12

Well, as a counselor, I appreciate the question.

24:15

The I think the only thing I would just say is the terminology of the waiving of the fees is not not the approach that we're taking with this or or how we're looking at this.

24:24

This is the fee schedule based on again the information that we've had available to us, but the payments that have been contributed, those numbers that I had just shared, would are are paid through the end of June.

24:34

So with the 90 day extension in mind that is before you.

24:37

Um there are additional fees that have been also contributed through other permits, and one of the things too is there's the construction building permit for the actual development that is always standard for any project.

24:46

Um that number we are still finalizing, but that also will be an additional non-refundable payment.

24:52

So that I anticipate as that permit gets ready to be issued, that will be another contribution uh financially.

25:00

There's not a waiver of fees uh included as part of the arrangement.

25:04

And I guess we've shared more information that we've been able to compile in terms of how the right of way has been getting utilized.

25:09

Um some of that is I think what what Councillor Majoke referred to of um you know, understanding and going back through some of the things that weren't fully contemplated as part of uh of the fee schedule what was originally proposed.

25:21

But there I can share that information again financially of all the contributions that have been made, but non-refundable and refundable, and as well as sharing the other permits.

25:30

Um I think at this point that the the non-refundable are most important.

25:35

Yep.

25:35

Because the refundable we'll never we won't we wouldn't know until the end of the project.

25:40

So I think that's what they're asking for.

25:42

That that that um to line line by line, what would that look like?

25:49

Sure.

25:49

Yep all assumptions and all calculations.

25:52

Yep.

25:53

Okay.

25:53

And I'm happy to share.

25:54

I know there's been requests for that information, so I can share that information again and again just make sure that um we're being transparent and sharing all the data we have.

26:02

So again, Eric, thank you for all the work you put into this, and we appreciate it, and we look forward to those those details.

26:10

And again, this is this is the beginning of a larger conversation, like I said, and um uh my hope is we will be in a better place than we are right now, because that but yeah, that's that's a level of discomfort, but we we see where this is going and we want to correct it.

26:27

And we are glad that we are working together to really get to that place.

26:31

We just want to make sure we the city gets ready to do to the city.

26:34

Sure.

26:34

No, counselor, and I know this has been a uh dialogue that's been evolving.

26:38

Um the only point I just want to make, I know I made it a moment ago, so we'll share all that information again.

26:42

If there's questions, myself and others are happy to answer those.

26:45

Um, this is a the 90-day period, and then ultimately any request going past that would also have to come back before the council.

26:51

So thank you.

26:52

Why are you there?

26:53

Um, this is off of this part, but in front of Krause hospital.

27:00

That turn to a portion of it changed.

27:04

Yes, so that is unrelated to to this specific project.

27:07

But it is that this was changes made related to the I81 construction uh further uh as part of Almond Street and some of the construction that's currently underway as part of the I New York State DOT contract.

27:18

So there are some changes on the traffic pattern at Irving and Waverly, it might be.

27:23

Um and so there are traffic pattern changes there, but that that ultimately is is the state conducting projects as part of I-81.

27:32

So we would we didn't get notification prior to that.

27:34

It didn't come through here.

27:36

Well, uh I don't know about that.

27:37

I know there's been certainly a lot of coordination we have with New York State DOT, but that implementation has been reflected based on the and there's even been some more recent changes within the past week because we understand that there have been some traffic channel challenges and backups that have taken place in that area.

27:52

Okay.

27:54

Okay.

27:54

All right.

27:55

Um other questions?

27:57

Other questions.

27:59

Thank you, Eric.

28:00

All right, thanks for the question.

28:00

Item 21.

28:06

Good afternoon, counselors.

28:07

Robert Brandt, Commissioner Water.

28:09

This is to uh extend our contract with Cornell for the year of 2026.

28:15

They manage our watershed education program.

28:19

Um and it's not to exceed 102,000.

28:23

94.

28:24

Commissioner, how long have we been doing this?

28:26

I think we've been doing it for a while.

28:28

Long time.

28:28

Yeah, it's part of the watershed program.

28:30

It's part of us keeping our filtration waiver.

28:33

Um, we have to you know educate the farmers, the new homeowners and everything in during our watershed.

28:39

Okay.

28:42

A new question.

28:44

Counselor right, you assume like you have one.

28:47

I just don't know what this is.

28:48

Uh I understand the explanation, but essentially what we're trying to do is make sure that there's no farm runoff happening in the Skine Atlas watershed that would pollute Syracuse's water source, correct?

28:58

Yep.

28:58

Okay.

28:58

And so we send people to farms to do that education.

29:02

Do they also do monitoring and soil samples and water testing?

29:05

Yep, they do that as well.

29:06

Um they let them know what they can use, you know, for their pesticides, and they educate new farmers, new homeowners, what they could do around the watershed.

29:15

They hold a few classes a year um for this program and they're constantly out there working with the watershed.

29:21

That's who are we sending?

29:22

Is this our people or another?

29:24

Oh, yep.

29:26

Yeah.

29:27

And do they have any enforcement mechanism?

29:29

Like if a farmer is using something that is in fact.

29:32

We have an enforcement mechanism and the DEC has all right.

29:35

And again, this is tied to our permit.

29:37

Yep.

29:37

Okay, thank you.

29:38

Commissioner, and I I don't know how how much of heavy lifting this need this need to take.

29:44

But can we some see some sort of report of effectiveness of this because it's been happening for a while?

29:52

Yeah, they they send us a report every year.

29:54

I could probably get you that of what's what they're doing.

29:57

And you can read that.

30:00

I would require drinking to read that.

30:01

Okay.

30:05

Yeah.

30:05

So but it's part of our, you know, to keep our filtration waiver.

30:09

Um we have to educate and you know, our watershed is a huge, you know, it's a never-ending project for us to keep that safe.

30:17

Yeah.

30:18

So okay.

30:19

Okay, yeah, that that at least that report, so we have gonna have it some way, somebody will not go into all of those stuff.

30:26

They can read and understand it as well.

30:28

I'll get you that.

30:29

You'll be excited.

30:29

I know that.

30:30

Oh very exciting.

30:31

Okay.

30:32

All right, thank you.

30:33

Thank you, Commissioner.

30:34

I appreciate that.

30:35

Um is requesting agreement with the New York State or U.S.

30:44

Department of Interior, not U.S.

30:46

Geological Survey to operate and maintain the Spencer Street gauge station along Onondaga Creek so that we have data of the flow in the creek um that can assist us with flood mitigation um grants that we're continually researching to do improvements to Onadaga Creek.

31:07

It's a five-year um contract uh for a total cost not to exceed 39,558 dollars.

31:15

And my excuse me, in my letter, it breaks down the cost each year.

31:19

Um we do USGS does maintain a uh gauge on Dorwin Av, but that really only captures the water coming into the city, whereas Spencer Street is in the northern part of the city, so it would monitor the flow that the city is actually including the water coming from outside the city and the city that the water that the city is contributing.

31:43

So I'm I'm just a little confused.

31:44

So we're just mining managing this for the first time.

31:48

Or it's a continuing yep.

31:49

Uh okay.

31:50

The other agreement um just expired.

31:53

We don't have an agreement.

31:54

So it's from April 1st through March 30th.

31:57

Uh so we're gonna do an additional five years.

32:00

Right.

32:02

Is are the residents in that in in that area in any kind of flood alert or of some kind of these?

32:11

Yeah, that's just where the station is, but it it really does represent a lot of you know the flow in the city.

32:19

We don't put gauges everywhere, that would be cost prohibitive.

32:22

So do we have any engagement with Anadugar um Environmental Institute with this?

32:28

Or why are we using the US Geological Survey?

32:32

Uh because they in conjunction with DEC, they um have already collaborated and have these gauge stations.

32:41

So if we don't do this, they probably will turn off that gauge station.

32:46

That gauge station, and we would just have Dorwyn, and that doesn't really capture the true city flow.

32:53

Okay, thank you.

32:56

Any other questions?

32:58

No.

32:59

Uh 23.

33:01

23 is a revocable permission with SU for related to the SU graduate hotel project.

33:08

They want to install underground electrical communication duct banks.

33:12

Um crossing Harrison Street, the 900 block.

33:16

Um they this is our standard revocable permission, and they'll pay us an annual fee, um, which is outlined in paragraph 29 of the letter.

33:26

Um it's estimated to be uh $65 a year.

33:31

Um, but we do increase the amount um adjusting it by the US CPI every year, so it the price will go up based on inflation.

33:42

Mary, you may or may not know this.

33:44

Do we get taxes from this hotel that they're building there?

33:48

I don't know that.

33:50

Uh you say for students?

33:52

Yes.

33:54

They say yes.

33:55

It's a yes.

33:56

So yes.

33:58

Referring to others.

34:01

Thanks, Mary.

34:01

We'll say hello.

34:04

Commissioner.

34:05

We expect nothing less than a yes.

34:09

We expect nuance, counselor, not only commission of assessment.

34:12

But we don't usually predict these things uh hypothetically.

34:15

Uh I do anticipate when we've got a completed project that um the applicant will or won't apply for a nonprofit exemption and we'll review it in the course of business.

34:25

Say that again.

34:26

They will they will apply or may or may not.

34:28

They may or maybe they may or may not.

34:32

December 31st of uh the year after which they get a C of O.

34:35

We'll have a better sense of that.

34:37

Okay.

34:38

Thanks.

34:38

Counselor, you go thank you.

34:39

Yep.

34:41

Not the government.

34:44

They are.

34:45

They own operate and maintain it.

34:47

Okay.

34:47

They're gonna be student housing that hotel.

34:50

Thank you.

34:51

Fine.

34:53

Anything else?

34:54

No, no.

34:55

Thanks, Mary.

34:56

Um, item 24 is a resolution honoring our nurses.

35:01

We all know that nursing profession is under attack these days.

35:07

And our nurses put so much work into honor the work of every individual that is seeking holistic healing and health.

35:18

Uh it is an effort to join them in honoring them and acknowledging, acknowledging the work they do throughout.

35:27

So this is what this is, and the nurse week starts early May to mid-May.

35:33

I would like to sign on to this.

35:34

Okay.

35:34

Yeah.

35:36

Yeah, absolutely.

35:37

Everybody, right?

35:38

Right.

35:38

You all do.

35:39

Okay.

35:39

Okay.

35:40

So that's with any common questions.

35:44

If not, you're all set.

35:45

I'm all set.

35:46

Counselor Aaron Mick.

35:49

Thank you, Madam President.

35:50

I have resolutions.

35:51

I have items 25 through 27.

35:54

I believe that they are all ready to go.

35:57

In item 25, there you just need to fix the 400,000.

36:00

Oh, it's already fixed.

36:02

Oh, not in my book.

36:03

You know, not in the book, not in our books.

36:05

Everybody else got it fixed.

36:06

Okay.

36:09

Do you have do we have any other questions?

36:12

I'm sorry, what needs to be fixed?

36:14

It's just a typo here in the 400.

36:17

Mission is zero.

36:17

Oh, I see.

36:18

Okay, I got it.

36:19

Sorry.

36:21

Run too fast.

36:21

Fool me once.

36:23

Anybody have any questions on item 25?

36:26

Thank you very much, Steve.

36:28

I think we're good.

36:29

Um item 26.

36:33

Just a quick changeover, right?

36:34

Yeah.

36:35

Good afternoon.

36:35

Hey, if my staff want to represent, I like them to be here.

36:38

So I honor that.

36:40

Umend um a donation of $50,000 from Brianna Stewer Foundation to funnel through the Syracuse Conservancy.

36:51

Um, they work via nonprofit, and it's easier for it to funnel through Conservancy.

36:59

27.

37:00

No, I thought I thought we were amending this because Brianna heard us.

37:04

Me and Council Cadwell were going to challenge.

37:06

You might have scared her away.

37:08

No.

37:08

And she wanted to give us some more money.

37:11

Hey, maybe in the next one.

37:14

This is um it was it there she's part of a nonprofit like cohort group, and it's just easier to move the money through a nonprofit.

37:24

So it'll flow through.

37:27

Yeah, Syracuse Conservancy.

37:29

Um getting that money.

37:31

Thank you.

37:32

Thank you.

37:33

27 is the um authorization for payment of game land.

37:37

It's on Wills, it's a game vehicle for um big rig day.

37:43

Which will be May 16th at Burnett Park, so be there.

37:48

That's your invitation.

37:50

Any other questions?

37:51

Thank you so much.

37:53

Thank you.

37:54

You're set.

37:55

I'm all set.

37:56

Counselor Moore.

37:57

I have items 28 through 30.

38:00

Set to go.

38:02

Okay.

38:03

Anyone have any questions or comments?

38:08

You want to speak to something?

38:10

Item 28.

38:11

I'm happy to answer any questions.

38:12

Stephanie Pasqual, Chief Strategy Officer.

38:14

Yeah, yeah.

38:15

We'll we we want to hear more of this because it's a question.

38:18

So this is where everyone 28.

38:20

Is that are you taking it?

38:22

Taking it.

38:23

Okay, could you walk us through this?

38:24

Because yes, we know uh uh McMahon Ryan advocacy.

38:29

We know the work they do is is the bridge over to what we are trying to do that that's yeah, no, I appreciate that.

38:36

You guys may have seen the a mobile vehicle that they have parked in their in their lot.

38:40

Um they've asked to partner with um the mayor's office to reduce gun violence and some of our partners to respond both to um incidences where there is gun or other violence, but also in a proactive manner to attend to show up at some parks and to show up at different events around the summer.

38:58

Um we're inside the vehicle, they do have spaces to sit.

39:01

They can we can offer counseling.

39:03

Um we could just offer um a quiet space for people to meet with service providers.

39:08

So there's no cost to the city, and no city employees will be driving or anything.

39:12

It really is just participating in partnership with the um mobile unit.

39:19

Partner with them recently over at Southwest.

39:22

Weren't they there that day?

39:24

I thought Counselor Hudson says yes, and I believe Stephanie, the therapists are coming from Salvation Army, Salvation Army.

39:35

There was no discussion of having their led, um their led mobile truck partner with that at the same time.

39:42

They're lead testing mobile truck.

39:44

Um McMahon Ryan, I didn't know McMahon Ryan had a lead truck.

39:48

I'm sorry, it's a county.

39:49

That's okay.

39:49

Ryan McMahon, McMahon, Ryan.

39:54

We certainly though for particularly for the proactive summer events.

39:58

Um we certainly could connect with them.

40:00

That's a great idea.

40:03

Okay, thank you.

40:06

Uh item 29.

40:13

Afternoon, everyone.

40:13

Dave Matzis Investigations Bureau Chief.

40:15

This is to enter into the agreement with New York State DCGS for the 2627 give initiative.

40:22

Uh this essentially provides us the ability to go out and do everything from proactive enforcement, um, youth engagement, trust building provides us with uh a couple salary positions to do data analysis, have a give coordinator, um, all reimbursed, no local match required.

40:38

This uh is kind of the backbone of of everything we do specific to community outreach, gun violence prevention, enforcement, and uh really gives us uh a real shot in the arm as far as going out and and being proactive any one of those means.

40:50

So we're at this right.

40:53

Yeah, we're at give 13 right now.

40:55

So this is the 13th iteration of it.

40:57

So the positions that you mentioned, the antiviolence coordinator and the non-fatal shooting specialist, they're already in the budget as we discussed it a few a couple of a week ago, right?

41:07

Yeah, these are so these will help offset some of that cost.

41:10

Yes.

41:11

Okay.

41:16

Thank you for the work that you do.

41:18

Thank you.

41:18

Thank you.

41:20

Item 30 is uh to approve an installation of an honorary sign um at the intersection of Austin and Bellevue in honor of a Charlotte Burkovicki.

41:31

Probably Becky.

41:32

Um this was requested by some of her neighbors.

41:35

Um she's deceased, but she was a longtime resident of Austin and was the grandmother to most of the neighborhood kids.

41:41

So we'll read that in next week.

41:45

Thank you.

41:46

Yep.

41:47

All right.

41:48

Um thank you.

41:50

Um Councillor Moore.

41:51

Uh Councillor Williams.

41:53

Thank you, Madam President.

41:54

Um item 31 is just a reminder for the public hearing to be held on the budget tonight at 5 30 p.m.

42:01

Um we welcome and invite anyone in the public that has a you know an opinion, a perspective on the budget.

42:07

Please come and let us know.

42:09

All right.

42:10

Uh where can the president where can the people uh in the of the public find information about the budget?

42:17

Yep.

42:17

So typically I just Google City of Syracuse budget, and we have a budget page with each of the budget documents for the past maybe five or eight years that they can find the full budget on that page.

42:28

Right.

42:28

And at the public hearing tonight, in the structure of public hearings, people will tell us their thoughts, but we will not respond, correct?

42:35

That is correct.

42:35

We are listening.

42:36

All right, thank you.

42:37

Uh in the past, we might have had two people.

42:41

This this is so y'all can know I'm not expecting Philippines.

42:44

Maybe five.

42:46

Okay, yeah.

42:47

All right.

42:47

Um council number 32 will be counselor we have.

42:55

With the help of Catherine Karnreich, we had a couple additions, changes made to the legislation.

43:02

Um I did forward it to the counselor group.

43:04

I thought that it was gonna end up in the in the packet today.

43:07

Um it did not.

43:09

Uh the local law.

43:10

Which local law 32.

43:12

32 metric.

43:15

Yeah, but I did forward it to the council um at about 12 o'clock today after we got here and realized it wasn't in the packet.

43:23

Um, but please, you know, take a peek review and hopefully we can have that as part of the supplemental packet for Monday.

43:30

Yeah, so we can um we can make that happen on a vote on to uh tape to table it, right?

43:38

I think 32 is here.

43:41

Yeah, if it's in final form, yeah.

43:43

Unless there's an update, I see it in here.

43:46

I'm sorry, what'd you say?

43:47

What what anybody you said in final form, right?

43:52

Yes, and I said final form, right?

43:54

No, it sounds like a test is the letter.

43:57

It had been changed since we initially provided it to you.

44:00

Um I believe the the document that you've forwarded us, Joe from Catherine was April 2nd, 23rd.

44:09

Um I I'll make sure you have the final latest iteration.

44:14

Um and Council Member Joe requested to be added to this.

44:17

Oh, sure.

44:21

All right.

44:22

Are we all set?

44:25

Um, yeah, um, Councillor Jones Browser mentioned to me that on May 5th, um, the attorney general will be in Syracuse.

44:36

Yeah, um, talking about similar surveillance-oriented legislation at the state level.

44:41

Um, she'll be in support.

44:43

Yep.

44:43

Um, she'll be appearing with Senator May, who this legislation is based off of, and they will be trying to advocate for additional legislation at the state level.

44:57

Thank you.

45:00

Council Jones Roser.

45:02

Oh, I have items 33 and 34.

45:06

Item 33 will continue to hold until we hear further.

45:13

Item 34.

45:17

That's requesting uh an amendment to ordinance 164 of 2024.

45:22

This was authorizing the conveyance of 145 Forest Avenue to the land bank.

45:26

We're changing the description to reflect uh the demolition of the structure.

45:29

It is now a vacant lot.

45:31

So did we demo the structure?

45:34

I'm not certain.

45:35

I suppose.

45:35

Was it a lot already when we it wasn't, um, and I suspect we did, but I I will find out for you.

45:41

Okay, because my concern is what is there a plan for that lot?

45:45

Because it looks to be quite small.

45:48

It is so is it just something that they plan to split between neighbors or have the neighbor purchase versus build on it?

45:56

I'll find out the answer and uh email you.

45:58

Okay.

45:59

Cool.

46:00

Any other questions?

46:03

I suit that's nice.

46:09

Are you upset?

46:10

Yes, you're okay, Councilor Monte.

46:13

Thank you.

46:13

Thank you, Councillor Paniagua.

46:16

I have items 35 through 40.

46:19

35, we are looking for authorization for a license agreement with Huber Brewer.

46:23

Uh they're um building the first phase of the redevelopment of the former Syracuse Developmental Center.

46:29

Uh we've got adjacent property that they need for construction staging.

46:32

We propose to enter into a license agreement for a term of up to 18 months.

46:36

Uh, we'll be remunerated uh about 94,000 for use of our space.

46:41

So no road no road closure, no right-of-way in this one.

46:44

Street live again.

46:47

Uh streets up there at this time are only paper streets.

46:50

They're they're being built out as we go forward.

46:51

I just want to make sure that's clear so we're not confused.

46:53

That is clear.

46:54

This is strictly real property right now.

46:56

I'm sorry, and you said it was gonna be some staging.

46:58

Yeah, they're they are um in terms of material storage, construction staging, everything to do with building the two apartment buildings on the adjacent site.

47:05

Um, they need our land for that purpose.

47:08

Okay, so I'm just bringing this up because I've been getting a ton of calls in the last two weeks about the 81 project near the like MLK and the Pioneer Homes um Central Village.

47:24

Um with those staging areas down in that um location where the I mean they know that the work is happening, they know that it's gonna continue to happen, but a lot of the traffic is happening at like six and seven in the morning with large backup noises, breaking sounds, and all kind of stuff.

47:46

Um so it's becoming a little bit of a disturbance for the people in the neighborhood, um, although they know that you know they want growth in the city, but they want it to be at a respectable time.

47:58

So just moving forward for that next area that understood.

48:02

This is down down south of the elementary school, Leon, Oak Oakwood, those streets.

48:06

Yes.

48:07

I've I've noticed that too.

48:08

Yeah.

48:09

Um I also heard a complaint along the those lines that says that the truck that carry the debris that they don't cover.

48:16

They don't have to be a good thing.

48:17

Okay, we get a little bit of dust leaving dust.

48:19

Yeah.

48:20

Yeah, I think they're usually pretty diligent about watering down the sites, but yeah, as far as um spraying down the truck, covering the truck, sure.

48:26

Yeah, um, we could certainly talk with our um liaison with nice dot about that.

48:30

Yeah, okay.

48:32

Okay, thanks, Matt.

48:33

Thanks all the 36 and okay.

48:45

Good afternoon, council.

48:46

Jake Dishhaw, Deputy Commissioner of Code Enforcement and Zoning.

48:49

Items 36 and 37 are to amend a bond ordinance.

48:54

Seek authorization to increase the amount by 317,000 to cover the expense to backfill the site uh after the demolition.

49:04

Um I'll explain briefly.

49:06

Uh the owner was committed to doing uh that after the demolition, but didn't and it left like a 10 foot gaping hole um at the site, which we felt was very dangerous for people to potentially fall in.

49:19

So um this this was an emergency basis, so this is just to increase that amount to cover that expense.

49:26

Yeah.

49:26

And we talked about this earlier, but so we're actively trying to get our money from yes, yep.

49:31

Uh Sue Katzov and her team are considering all options.

49:35

Okay.

49:36

And did we have a um did we have uh hold of the finance that get held?

49:42

What is it?

49:44

No, this was a no this was a court decision that let us tear it down.

49:48

It's the big red big red uh brick building.

49:52

Oh, okay.

49:53

Yeah, okay we we did it last year, and I guess I guess wow.

50:00

So because of what was left, this is the additional cost that the city has to correct.

50:04

Okay.

50:05

Is the owner gonna be liable for any of that?

50:08

Um the there's a lien for it, yes.

50:11

Um so hopefully uh I don't want to talk about legal strategies or what Sue's gonna do or not do, but yes.

50:18

I just want to know that liability, that's all.

50:20

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

50:22

We're trying to get it.

50:28

Okay, thanks, Jake.

50:29

Um similarly, items 38 and 39 are to request a new authorization and approval to bond for another uh emergency demolition uh about seven to ten days ago.

50:41

Um I can get the exact date.

50:43

Uh we got a call that the south facing wall at the structure 800 1800 North Salina Street was buckling.

50:50

Went up and looked at it, and it was definitely threatening to spill out into the three lanes on North Salina Street, um headed towards 81 on ramp.

50:59

Uh we closed off three lanes, declared an emergency, um, got bids.

51:04

Um, so seeking up to uh approximately six hundred thousand dollars to cover that expense.

51:11

We've already started to take it down, right?

51:12

We have I okay I couldn't wait.

51:14

Yeah, no, no.

51:15

I I I mean it looks like it was just gonna fall into the road.

51:18

Jake, are we gonna get any reimbursement from Big One?

51:23

Um that'll lean.

51:25

I I'm not sure what uh resources the owner really has, but yeah, we'll again we'll use Sue and her team to try to get what we can uh related to that parcel and or you know the owner or future sale, right?

51:38

Um all that has to be settled upon a sale.

51:40

So you gotta close down exchange street as well, because you gotta go that wall.

51:45

Uh yeah, I mean the the contractor would do their best to okay um you know limit impact, but it it's pretty much uh almost probably a zero outline.

51:55

The building comes all the way out pretty close to the street.

51:58

Yeah, thank you.

52:00

Uh and then lastly, item number 40 is a zone change.

52:04

Uh this was the results of a city owned property sale.

52:07

So owner bought the side lot, combined it with his house, and it created a split zone parcel.

52:13

So per what we've done a bunch of times with with you is just to avoid a split zone parcel is just rezone it um all to be the same.

52:22

Okay, compete with that dick, don't leave.

52:28

Oh no, not lead, don't leave the room.

52:30

Okay, thank you.

52:32

Uh is there anything else anybody want to bring up?

52:36

All right, so motion to agree.

52:43

All in favor.

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Summary of Proceedings

Syracuse City Council Meeting - April 29, 2026

The Syracuse City Council convened on April 29, 2026, at approximately 3:55 PM to discuss a broad agenda including budget amendments, contracts, emergency demolitions, and community partnerships. Two public hearings were announced: the DPW municipal sidewalk program on May 4 at 1 PM and the annual city and school district budget estimate later that evening at 5:30 PM.

Scheduling Announcements

  • Two public hearings were scheduled: May 4 at 1 PM (DPW sidewalk program) and April 29 at 5:30 PM (budget estimate).

Public Comments & Testimony

  • No public comments were made during this session. A separate public hearing for the budget was held later in the evening.

Discussion Items

  • Item 9A: A previously tabled resolution was declared ready for approval.
  • Item 12: Craig Whitmer of the Office of Analytics, Performance and Innovation presented a 10-week fellowship agreement with Syracuse University's Maxwell School. The city will pay $5,000 from its summer intern budget, and Maxwell will contribute $2,500. The program aims to pair a graduate student with the city for a research project.
  • Items 13-14: Budget-related resolutions for the Department of Public Works required a correction to $4.5 million (originally listed as $3 million and $4 million). The companion items will be adjusted.
  • Items 15-17: Three resolutions concerning new sensors for the street lighting platform. Items 15 and 17 authorize bonds not to exceed $3 million for sensor purchases; item 16 is an agreement with Zio (Best in Ubiquia) for sensor supply. The sensors carry a 10-year warranty; the contract is for 5 years with a 5-year extension. No additional maintenance costs are expected.
  • Items 18-19: City Engineer Mary Robison presented a request for an additional $250,000 in bonding for the new police parking lot at 1153 West Fayette Street (corner of Magnolia and Fayette), bringing the total to $1.65 million. Bids came in over budget. The lot will provide over 100 parking spaces for patrol vehicles. Nearby businesses, including the Gear Factory, expressed concerns about parking displacement. Discussions included permeable pavement feasibility and stormwater management in a separated sewer area.
  • Item 20: Eric from the Mayor's Office requested a 90-day extension (through June) for a road closure related to the Syracuse University Graduate Hotel project. Non-refundable fees paid through June total $197,198; refundable fees for right-of-way improvements amount to $679,740 (paid by check). Councillors expressed concerns about fee calculations, timeline discrepancies (start date originally cited as late December), and the financial burden on taxpayers given SU's tax-exempt status. Eric confirmed that any extension beyond June would require council approval.
  • Item 21: Water Commissioner Robert Brandt presented a one-year contract extension with Cornell University (not to exceed $102,494) for the watershed education program, required to maintain the city's filtration waiver. The program educates farmers and homeowners, monitors soil and water, and coordinates with DEC enforcement. A report on program effectiveness was requested.
  • Item 22: A five-year agreement with the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) to operate and maintain the Spencer Street gauge station on Onondaga Creek (cost $39,558 over five years). The station provides flood mitigation data; the previous agreement expired.
  • Item 23: A revocable permission for SU to install underground electrical and communication duct banks crossing Harrison Street in the 900 block. Annual fee is about $65, adjusted by CPI. The city will consider property tax implications.
  • Item 24: A resolution honoring nurses during National Nurses Week (early to mid-May). All councils signed on.
  • Items 25-27: Councilor Mick presented: Item 25 required a typographical correction ($400,000); Item 26 authorized a $50,000 donation from the Brianna Stewer Foundation to be funneled through the Syracuse Conservancy; Item 27 authorized payment for a game vehicle for Big Rig Day on May 16 at Burnett Park.
  • Item 28: Chief Strategy Officer Stephanie Pasqual introduced a partnership with McMahon Ryan to deploy a mobile response unit for gun violence reduction. The unit will provide counseling and support proactively and in response to incidents. No cost to the city; no city staff involved. Councillors suggested coordination with other mobile units.
  • Item 29: Investigations Bureau Chief Dave Matzis presented an agreement with NYS DCJS for the GIVE 13 initiative, which supports proactive enforcement, youth engagement, and gun violence prevention. The initiative reimburses the city for related positions; no local match required.
  • Item 30: Approval of an honorary street sign at Austin and Bellevue in memory of Charlotte Burkovicki, a longtime resident.
  • Item 31: Councilor Williams reminded of the budget public hearing at 5:30 PM and directed the public to the city website for budget documents.
  • Item 32: Councilor Williams introduced a local law on surveillance, with amendments sent via email. It was tabled for further review and will be included in the next meeting's packet. State-level legislation on similar topics was noted.
  • Items 33-34: Councilor Jones Roser held item 33; item 34 amended a previous ordinance to reflect demolition of the structure at 145 Forest Avenue (now a vacant lot). The lot's future use will be determined.
  • Items 35-40: Councilor Monto presented: 35 - License agreement with Huber Brewer for construction staging at the former Syracuse Developmental Center; 18 months, $94,000 fee. 36-37 - Bond increase of $317,000 for emergency backfill of a dangerous hole left by a demolition. 38-39 - Bond authorization of up to $600,000 for emergency demolition of a collapsing wall at 1800 North Salina Street. 40 - Zone change to resolve a split-zone parcel from a city-owned property sale.

Key Outcomes

  • All items except 32 and 33 were moved and approved unanimously (motion to agree, all in favor). Item 32 was tabled; item 33 was held.
  • The two public hearings (sidewalk program and budget) were scheduled as announced.

Meeting Transcript

Good afternoon everybody. We're gonna start our session. All right, I'm just catching my breath. Give me a minute. Okay, here we go. All righty. So we have two public meet hearings coming up. The first relative to the DPW municipal sidewalk program. That will be May 4th at 1 PM. The second one relative to the annual estimate of the city of Syracuse and the City School District fiscal year. And that would be uh tonight, April 29th at 5 30 PM. We'll go through more conversation during the meeting. Uh Councilor Monto. Thank you, President Panagua. Um I have 9A and that one is ready. We tabled that last time, right? Um thank you. So it's ready? Yep. Okay. And we have a resolution approving appointments. Is that ready? Not yet. Okay, so not ready. Thank you. If um which is um with the appreciation day for the city of Syracuse Shelter has been a continuous this is for the Sharkel solutions. They have an appreciation day uh for their providers, and it continues to be the lifeline of for families and communic uh communities serving us as critical foundation of our local economy. So we're gonna build a resolution uh to hand uh give them on next Monday. Okay, uh is everyone on board. Oh, yes, I am on board, yeah. Uh so counselor, I just want to verify that so you're giving the resolution to child care solution. Yes. I'll make sure um some of the changes. It is through ch Yes, it's I'll make sure some of the changes uh are made because it's kinda like a resolution appreciation of the So they have their own pro the providers that they serve and this is for those providers. Okay, okay. All right. Okay, thank you. All righty. Um I'm taking Councillor Caldwell's number twelve. Okay. Thanks. Uh Craig Whitmer with the Office of Analytics Performance and Innovation. Um item number twelve is um seeking permission to enter into an agreement uh with SU's Maxwell School of Citizenship and Public Affairs. Oh we have a uh ten week fellowship program uh looking to provide an opportunity for a graduate student to um based on their proposal, engage uh with the city uh through our office uh to conduct a ten week study and offer uh work product to our office that will hopefully enable us to um take some action or make some improvements internally. We have uh two really great candidates that we're interviewing uh tomorrow for it and uh hope that this is the start of a really great uh continued and deepened partnership. Uh the amounts uh reflected here, it's five thousand dollars uh from the city side, that's coming from API's uh summer intern budget already, and twenty-five hundred from uh Maxwell. The reason for the difference there is that we're going to uh take the work product and kind of get something out of it more than Maxwell. Um the correction is made on uh on the agenda. It's just in your book, I just did it today. Okay.

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