I had a great time.

So they chose.

Nothing yet.

Sunshine.

She said, where's Choling is here?

I love being there with you.

She's doing much.

She said so much.

Um afternoon.

We're gonna start our study session.

Thank you everybody for joining us.

Um we're gonna move right into Councilor Monte.

Wait, hold on, hold on.

You can you can mention it or you can mention it up there.

Go on, we'll go ahead.

Sorry, go ahead.

Oh, the local law is ready.

Thank you.

Um then do we have any resolutions?

No, nothing.

Okay, so we're withdrawing it.

So I okay, moving on.

Yeah, you're gonna w we're gonna withdraw uh number ten just so you can have it in your book.

Okay.

Okay, because there's not.

Okay.

What did you say we're withdrawing?

Yeah, because they we have no no um no a commissioner date.

No commissioners updates or anything.

So item eleven, that would be the resolution.

Um for the child care solutions that would be ready, right?

Okay.

Is someone gonna be here for you to present that too, or you wanna um you want to print out?

So there's somebody that will be here for the one o'clock session.

For the one o'clock session, yes, right?

Ready?

Yes.

So then yes.

Okay.

Excellent.

Council Codwell.

Thank you, Madam President.

Blessings to all today.

I have item number twelve.

This is um an agreement with Syracuse University, Maxwell School, Citizenship and Public Affairs to allow the city to receive one summer fellows and a master's in public administration program.

Um a 10-week uh program.

And it'll be an in-person fellowship program that will be ongoing with API.

And it looks like the city and SU will be splitting funds.

I have been speaking um to the people behind that.

So it'll be an intern.

Just good opportunity for some idiots.

Is it ready?

Is it ready?

I'm just saying we did this Wednesday, so I just thought I'm just teasing.

I'm sorry, I wasn't here Wednesday.

No.

Well, maybe I want to be like it wasn't ready.

No, I don't want it.

No, thank you.

I just want to make sure everybody knows.

Unless any of the fellow common counselors or our clerk has a question.

Are you ready?

I'm ready.

You ready?

Let's go.

Thank you, counselor.

Uh counselor McDuck.

Thank you, Madam President.

I have item 12 through 13.

13.

13 through 24.

Item 13.

We had a correction at Madam Clark, you took care of that.

Um of the amount.

Uh I didn't.

Oh, it was supposed to be 40.

She said she didn't show you that.

I um I I did.

I took care of it.

I just noticed that in the um on the agenda, I still have 13 dollar amount, but the bond is correct.

Okay.

It's here.

Okay, so it was supposed to be 4543.

Supposed to be 4500, right?

Oh no, no.

4543.

Yeah, 14 is the correct amount.

Okay.

That changed it.

I'm just wondering if my counselor's had a rough weekend or one.

I don't know.

This is a correct question.

Right, right.

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah, it was correct.

Yes.

Wait a minute.

Was it correct?

It's still two different.

Okay, and we own set.

Okay, this is the deal.

This is what's happening, right?

Um 13 or 14.

Umteen is the correct amount.

Number 13 is the amount that needed to be corrected.

I corrected 14, but didn't correct 13.

Okay.

Okay, companion.

So that that will be corrected by be ready by one o'clock.

It is ready.

Okay.

Um the bond is ready.

Um, I just need to correct it on the agenda.

Okay.

Okay.

So we are good.

It's a good deal, right?

It's got to be held anyway.

So we're going to talk about that later.

All right.

So it need to be for 13 and 14.

The 14 need to be held, but the 13 is ready.

13 and 14 need to be held because it's part of the budget.

Okay.

It'll be voted on with the budget.

Okay.

So we are holding 13 and 14.

Right.

What about 15?

That's different.

We we're good, we're good.

We had a committee meeting on that.

We are good to go with that.

Right, madam Clark?

Okay.

What a picture.

Okay.

Yes.

We're about to speak.

Um 1516 first.

We also uh had question about uh I remember counselor Joe Rousle had a question about 18.

Right.

We should ask about how many lots.

Wait a minute, did we miss 17?

Huh?

Those are good to go.

Okay unless if somebody else was.

Oh, I did 16 and 17.

Any questions?

No.

No questions.

Okay.

18.

Um the lots.

And we were asking about how many lots and the cost total that was supposed to be set out.

Did we get that?

I received information about the additional money that because it's to authorize additional money for the same project.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So my side, my questions are satisfied.

Okay.

But the other question along that was we have been putting a lot of work in a lot of parking lots.

How many parking lot total?

Second, how much total cost is that?

That was the question that was la asked last week.

And we're supposed to get information.

Yeah.

Um sorry, say that again, please.

Go ahead.

Oh, um, I share that information Thursday afternoon.

Um with all the counselors to documents, one a word document detailing the parking lots how many spaces each included.

Um, and then also a uh a PowerPoint presentation that that SPD had provided, which kind of walks you through where the parking lots are around 1153.

Um is there any information you'd like me to the counselor's not here, but we'll we'll we'll let you know.

But we'll we did get it in our email.

Okay, okay.

We will uh make sure that the counselor that asked that question by water call we should be good to go if to see if she's satisfied, okay.

Uh please let me know if there's anything else I can do.

You got it.

Thank you.

But as of now, we will call it ready with a question, okay.

Um that's 18 and 19.

That's 18 and 19.

All set 20 and 21.

Any questions?

Yes, so counselor Williams.

20.

20.

Go ahead.

Eric.

Sarah here?

Okay.

Good afternoon, counselor.

Eric on us with the mayor's office.

So you're good.

Counselor, how about you?

Good.

Um doing well.

You want to go big picture or or minute detail to begin with?

Whichever your preference.

So we'll go with the details.

The worksheet you gave us the March through June.

Yes.

One of the attachments.

I'm looking, you know, I think at issue, the big picture, the like large conversation we're having is around that material staging item.

What's you know, what is the calculation going to be for that?

And in your notes down on the bottom.

I can't figure out how to make your numbers work.

Okay.

Note number two, you talk about 17,379 square feet.

And then note number three, the calculation you're using is 15,646.

How did you jump from the 17 to the 15?

And how did you get to either of those numbers given that I can't make the math given the curb to curb at 11407?

The right-of-way east being 7757, the right-of-way west being seven, eight, eight, nine.

I can't find any way to get to any of those numbers.

And I would have guessed that they should carry through in a logical order.

Yes.

So I can walk you through those calculations and ultimately how the that number was utilized.

High level, the I think is from conversations we've had before, the um area that we were looking at was a portion being utilized from beyond the curb compared to the roadway itself.

I think the question I just want to confirm the period you were talking about.

Is it the 90-day extension period, the one that um from March through end of June?

Correct.

Okay.

So that was the calculation is based on the area being utilized for construction staging purposes, and then based on the frequency of that area being utilized, which is uh approximately 20%.

So we were utilizing a portion of what the total calculation is based on the uh renewal formula, and then based on the 20% of that number.

So I can show and I can share with you the the numbers of how we arrived at those exact numbers.

Yeah, and and I comprehend that, but again, how we jump from uh 17,000 number and note number two to a 15,000 number and note number three, a little confusing for me.

Okay.

I think Eric, I have a question too.

Uh yeah, oh I'm sorry.

That I fundamentally challenge your assumption of that 20% utilization when we're closing the entire right-of-way.

Um, you know.

I don't know how you got there.

If you could walk me through that number, that seems like it came out of you know thin air.

Um, how exactly did we get there?

And even if we're talking about material staging as being a truck with materials sitting there, um, you know, two different things.

One, they need to utilize the right-of-way to get to that particular point where it's sitting overnight.

Um, and number two we're still talking about a full closure of a right-of-way when we're only charging a partial fee for the staging of materials, and that that seems like a mismatch.

And no, we're voting on the budget this week.

We have a 20 million dollar, 24 million dollar gap in our budget.

It seems like we should be trying to figure out ways to find money rather than to be cutting brakes to the development community.

So um, so counselor, I think I want to I'll try to answer the question from a high level, kind of as as you've pointed through.

I know we are gonna be having an opportunity to meet with Councilor Majok and other counselors uh this week around the and I'm happy to be able to use that opportunity.

I think the city department of engineering as well, that those the staff that are part of that review, I think is helpful to that discussion too.

But uh from a high level, the point you're making about the road closure and the manner in which this is being considered for construction staging purposes.

Um there are times where an area may be being utilized, but it is not specifically for the purpose of equipment in the roadway or for some of that construction staging, as you know, and I know you've studied the fee schedule extensively, uh, as have other counselors.

There is some based on equipment being stored within the right-of-way.

When we were having the conversation around the road closure of Comstock, the fire department, just as one example, the fire department has a minimum roadway width that they need to be maintained at all times for the purposes of any sort of incident or accident for public safety.

So there are portions of the roadway that are not being used for the construction elements and the construction staging pieces.

Um this has been through uh as well as extensive conversations with the general contractor who has been monitoring and examining and doing so on a weekly basis, what their utilization is within the area of Comstock, um, as well as the areas just beyond the curb as well in the right of way.

And the 20% piece was a number that we ultimately were really looking at based upon information that was being provided by the general contractor is also something that we are continuing to monitor and assess because that was uh basically a cumulative based on what they anticipate the utilization being over that 90-day period.

We do, it is part of our monitoring is that we have the ability.

If that if that is not an accurate number, we have the ability for additional fees to be levied.

That's based on the information that we'd be collecting as the project continues.

And so you said the general contractor provided you with information.

What did that look like?

So this was based on we have a map file of the roadway in the area beyond the curb and as well as the calculation of the right-of-way that we also ran and looked at with our team as well to confirm that we've we agreed and verified with those numbers.

And then we were working with them to understand the looking at shipments and deliveries and items where they anticipate construction of the cranes, for example, has been an extensive part of this discussion when the cranes were being constructed and utilized a significant portion of Comstock was under construction or or was being used for that portion.

Um that schedule changes and is not the same uh extent to what the area was being utilized for the first 90 days.

That being said, we know that those cranes will have to be disassembled.

So that information has been helpful to understand how not just how the roadway is being used to date, but then also what will on the back end deconstructing the cranes and as the project progresses.

So that that's been part of the information that discussion we've been having.

And you know, what I'm trying to do is make sure that the taxpayers get their fair share of what they're owed, given that the right-of-way that they paid for will be unavailable.

You know, what is our internal process for monitoring both for monitoring the 20% number?

Um, you know, we we know that it'll change.

What is your team doing day by day, week by week to make sure that the 20% isn't actually 25?

Yeah.

Uh so I think that we have had multiple visits up to the site.

I myself have done this at times when I'm certainly um in in the you know, going up to University Hill and then other members of the engineering staff have as well.

Um, there's also uh weekly audits that the general contractor has agreed to be able to provide to extent uh and really look at the area that they are utilizing um within the right-of-way.

So that's information as well that that is for monitoring purpose.

Um the university also has a live feed that is looking over the the site that's been part of our discussion to be able to utilize and understand for visual purposes.

I think I had shared a screenshot of that to the council, just be able to provide what that angle looks like.

Um the last point I would make, Council, before turning it back over to you, I think that is um you know, part of the discussion as this has continued around this project, this unique example with an extensive closure period for a remote much longer period of time than what the original fee schedule had accounted for.

Um, we I think have also realized the amount of time and and staffing.

I realize counselors have been up to the site as well.

Um, just in terms of the ability to monitor and assess, I think that's part of the discussion is that we wanted to have with counselors about um in an instance like this one and part of the conversation we were going to be having this week on Wednesday is um what is the right approach as this continues, and you know, how do we account for the fee schedule and how do we account for procedure when we run into this incident in the future?

Yeah, you know, the the words you use, Derek.

You know, we talked about the weekly area that the general contractor is utilizing within the right-of-way.

And I would argue that they're using 100% of the area within the right-of-way.

And you know, my issue with this item isn't whether or not there should be a road closure.

I have no issue with the university, I have no issue with the general contractor.

I feel like my issue is with you know our internal team and the assumptions and calculations that we're making as this project moves forward.

And so I ask you what happens if the council were to vote this item down.

Okay, so the to the point about the utilizing of the entire roadway.

I will start there.

I think that the part of the way the fee schedule is broken out, is it is based on equipment, material storage, other aspects of that nature, not necessarily the the vehicle to close a road is done through a liability waiver.

That is something that had originally been applied for and was approved and was was authorized at the December time frame when the road closure began.

But it is the the fee schedule and what is included as part of that is really afforded by equipment items being stored in.

That's that per unit calculation that that's included and borne out.

And so then where is the definition for material staging?

Yes.

Where is the definition?

So I I do not have that directly.

It's not in stipulated within the fee schedule, but that's right.

And so that leads it to be open to interpretation if it's not clearly defined.

And you and I have different interpretation of what's happening.

So again, my issue isn't whether or not we close the right-of-way and you know allow the project to go forward.

In fact, I would like to see that happen.

My concern is how we have a difference opinion of what material staging looks like.

And you know, in the end of the day.

And I I what I would say is I will certainly gather more information from the Department of Engineering.

The point I would just raise too is that we have certainly been trying to look at this from the precedent and how we have examined past projects.

And so the the as I will work to make sure it we have that better understanding of that definition and what that entails.

We've also been looking at this through other projects of a similar nature when we're looking at area for equipment staging and how we've how we've used the right-of-way fee schedule.

Understanding it was passed in early 2025, but how it has applied to other projects leading up to this point.

Um Eric, um, we will reassess and come back at one o'clock.

Okay.

Okay.

I think I think Council William concern is is is some sentimental to to a good number of us here.

That that that that 20% it it's very trouble troubling and and counselor.

No, I go back to what what happens if we do not approve this item as it stands.

Because they're already operating without a permit.

It have been for a number of weeks now.

So they originally there was a liability waiver and a road cut.

We have we have reached the point of expiration of that from the administrative standpoint.

Yes.

Um I think that we ultimately I I do not have the immediate answer for you, counselor.

I think that's part of the conversation.

I think we ultimately wanted to continue to share the information that was requested from study session last week.

Wanted to make sure that that information was provided.

Um and ultimately that that going into this discussion too today and understanding the vote at one o'clock.

Um we're not sure ultimately what the you know position of council was going to be to take action on this item.

So um I do not have an an immediate answer for you right now, but I will get it.

So is it worthy to to have a executive session with you and in our legal staff to talk about what does or doesn't play?

Okay, thank you.

All right, we'll we'll do that then.

We will uh after the meeting, madam president to adjourn to executive session, then come back.

Okay, thank you, Eric.

Thank you.

Um counselor Moore, I guess your question will wait, right?

He he answered.

Okay, okay.

That works.

Um so that was item 20.

And 21.

Item 21.

Um what is that what is that new mayor?

Uh and this is just a small amendment, right?

To extend the time, right?

And the money.

This is a new five-year agreement.

The existing five-year agreement has expired.

So it's extending it for a while.

One extra year, right?

Nope, five years.

Okay.

Five years, okay.

Thank you so much for um the description of this program of the last study session.

One quick question though.

Um, it did it did already expire.

Um, is that something that Cornell could be a little more proactive with next time in terms of making sure that we stay on schedule with the um actually it's my um gonna take responsibility for that.

I've been trying to get our capital projects going.

So to our knowledge, the gauge has is still that was never turned off.

Never turned off, they are continuing to serve.

Okay, so we'll just can we backdate the contract to the start of the year?

Yeah, I think so.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you very much.

Item 22 and 23 ready, except it's under one has a question.

Twin four is a resolution recognizing nurses week, which starts this Wednesday, and it will go on.

Um so uh last week we asked all the councils wanted to be part of it, so thank you all.

Uh any questions.

All right, madam president, thank you.

Thank you.

Council my joke.

Uh Counselor Aaron Grick.

Thank you, Madam President.

I have items 25 through 27.

Um they are all ready to go.

Thank you.

Uh Councillor Moore.

Thank you, Madam President.

I have items 28 through 30, and they are all ready to go.

Thank you.

Um Councillor Williams.

Uh thank you, Madam President.

Um 31.

We held the hearing last Wednesday.

That should be ready.

Council.

Did we budget?

It is oh I was during the end of it.

Yeah, you do not have to do that.

Okay.

31 will be the special meeting happening Friday at 12 to vote on the budget.

Okay.

So that will be held, correct?

I'm so sorry.

The public meeting was held on Wednesday, April 29th.

Councilor.

Counselor.

Yes.

Council Paniagua approved that we're gonna have a special meeting to vote on the budget on Friday.

Uh something been laid on your tables and something went out to y'all.

So this is this is actually the budget, right?

That's the budget vote.

This is the budget vote.

Okay.

I'm just not seeing where it says that we're having the special meeting on Friday in this.

No, on the eighth.

It wouldn't be on there.

Okay.

It wouldn't be on here.

But so that you know eight on the eighth.

Gotcha.

At 12.

Okay.

And moving on to item 32.

Um interestingly, Joe showed us that uh Joe had sent an article to myself that I've I believe I've put it on to you.

Um Erie County passed a very similar ban becoming the first county in New York State to pass a uh piece of legislation of this nature.

Um I provided an updated version this morning, which should be the final version of the bill, which has the carve out for financial institutions.

Um 32 should be ready.

We're gonna introduce the table.

That's it.

Thank you, Madam President.

Okay, Councillor Joan Schrousser by Councillor Montal.

Thank you, President Paniagua.

Counselor Jones Roser has 33 and 34.

33 will be held for more information.

34 is ready.

I have 35 through 40.

If nobody has any questions on those, those go ahead, Counselor Callwell.

No, not you.

Not for you.

I was talking to reading.

Oh, okay.

Oh, okay.

All right, wait.

So you need um I was a counselor Jones Rowser.

Yeah, 33 is held.

34 is ready.

Okay, and then yours.

30 uh 35 through 40 are all ready.

If nobody has any questions.

Okay, so um, all right.

So then um we're gonna go to executive session.

Oh no.

Oh can you um I was uh on Friday, Wednesday, today's Monday.

Thank you, please.

Um police back to one of your items, Donna.

For the give program is the give give program 29.

29.

I don't think no one's here.

Item number 29.

Oh, you say 29?

Yeah, for the give program.

Um Stephanie can you that's not do you get that?

Yeah, it's for the police, it's not you, it's it's the police.

It's no work from the police.

Yes, they are there.

Oh, okay.

That's fine.

Yeah, it's 29.

Okay.

DCJ, yes, okay.

Thank you.

Hello.

Hello.

So really quick, for 29 and 30 for the give program.

This is the second or third term that we're in it.

Um, what salaries are I mean, I know what you say, but whose salaries are in this actual budget.

So I believe it's only the uh give coordinator salary that comes out of this, and then a significant portion of it is overtime expenses for officers and other staff to participate in the program.

So when it says here, um yeah, I saw that, but I want to know who the salaries were.

Like, so it's uh somebody in your department.

This is different from um pass it department.

Right.

So this is a give coordinator on an anti-violence that is working with Latise department, right?

That may be referencing Latif.

I'm not entirely sure.

We have a give coordinator, uh Sarah Pierce within our department.

That's our Sarah's position.

Yes.

Oh, okay.

I didn't know she was the coordinator.

Okay, and then the youth trust building and um police and me initiatives are missing.

That is what that's Peteronian.

Uh so uh the youth trust building, I'm not sure.

The police in me is a program within the school district uh where the officers go and read books to students, and then there's the pizza with the police programs part of that as well.

It's a separate youth program with the officers in the schools.

That's what I needed to do.

I thank you.

I had questions.

People wanted to know what that other part was, and I knew um part of it, but I didn't know it all.

So thank you.

This is for the extra part in reading into like the elementaries programs with a police.

So all of the funding comes from out of this give for that.

Yes.

Okay.

Thank you.

Welcome.

Yeah.

Okay, we're gonna go on it.

Um can make motion to adjourn to executive session for legal advice on it.

So we're going into executive motion um session to talk about item number 20.

So in favor, I can.

Okay, I'll put it up on.