I don't know if she wants to do that.

So it's not we have an option there.

Do you want to click it?

So I won't go through the whole not yet.

Right.

Not until good morning.

This is the Syracuse Landmarks Preservation Board of June 25th, 2026.

Present at the meeting R.

Our Trish.

Nicole Fragnito.

Julia Marshall.

Jeff Romano.

Hilary Donahue.

Count of work.

And Kate Oweter and Bob Searing is uh excused.

Thank you.

Um may I have a motion to accept the minutes of June fourth, two thousand twenty-six.

So moved.

Is there a second?

Any modifications to the minutes?

All in favor?

Uh the minutes as submitted.

I any opposition, any abstentions?

Minutes are adopted.

Um Kate, would you we're gonna move to new business before we move to the public hearing?

Hearing, that's right.

Since you're here.

We're we're gonna start with you then.

Um yeah, this is uh major site plan review, uh modification to major site plan review.

Uh MA SPR twenty-five twelve for three eleven Gennant drive.

And it's for an exterior color change and the board has seen this before and uh because the colors changed again.

You're back.

Yeah, you're back.

Yeah, as requested, we're back.

You're back.

Yes, thank you.

And Grazie, the the building owner developer.

Um so we sent you um uh the latest.

I know you had some comments about the verticals.

We've re we've reviewed some of the verticals.

Uh in general, we want we're looking at some uh various gray and off white colors.

Um appreciate that the renderings all look different no matter what screen you're looking at or what you're using.

So uh we do have some paint colors that we can kind of distribute here if you'd be great.

Uh the back of the building, I think when you flip through here you'll see there's some uh as you go along, there's images of the building as we go along.

Uh note that that plaza has been modified, it's not the final plaza out there.

It's it's uh similar but a little smaller, a little different a little different configuration, but there still will be an entrance plaza out there as well.

And again, printer and um software.

Now that looks a little more brown.

Those would just be on the primary facades?

So this is the Clinton Street side.

It'll be so this this is the north side that's the north side substation side.

Right, so that's just all uniform in color.

So we're looking at the east and south elevations with the other.

Well, the facade that faces uh uh Gannant and 81.

Um that's pretty much what's there now that does have the the the white accents above the windows and along the corners.

So we're really just kind of keeping that and then bringing some of that around as it makes sense.

You know, the primary entrance side is you know from the parking lot.

So I call that the south side, so that's where you're the south side is where, yeah.

There's a stone band that we want to that we'll that we want to accent and then uh any particular slide you want me to land on here?

Um I think it yeah, like here.

This was uh this is kind of the sound.

And in this rendering, the coping is white.

Yeah, I it we'll really have something that's off white with the file file.

Okay.

Not there yet.

Okay, just a few months into construction.

And then the other view, if you scroll to the what I believe is the rear, the rear.

Yeah, yeah.

Uh I don't know if we have a rendering, but if you go through the the elevations there is this north?

That's the north.

Okay, north.

So is that painted?

It'll all be painted.

Right now it's green out there.

Okay.

But it will be painted this color.

No, it'll be the same color all around.

We're not changing colors.

Yeah, just the for whatever reason these elevation views are showing up as a different color than the renderings.

Okay, all right.

Because it was confusing it.

Yeah, I'm sorry.

And then I think there's one more.

I think that's the um.

And that would also be gray.

That's the west, yeah.

It will be the same paint scheme around the entire building.

And then at the penthouse level, that's a metal panel.

Insulated panel.

It'll be a light gray compatible color.

But you don't unless you're it there's very few places where you actually see that unless you're pretty far back away from things.

Just I did check in with zoning and um the uh the the roof sign is not you would have to get a variance for that.

We have to go with the zone, yeah.

We understand that.

I guess my comment is the coping and also when you're selecting the metal panel to consider that color in relationship to the rest of the building, and especially actually the coping of that.

Yeah, the coping's more is important.

The metal panel has to be compatible, but it it visually it's it's you you're not seeing it unless you're the other side of 81.

You might catch a glimpse of it.

So yes, I agree that you're not gonna pick something that's uh completely different comments.

I think colors I submitted look fine.

Um thank you for coming back in and revising uh your accents of blue.

Um I'm fine with you know I I think uh it's kind of your signature component.

But it stand out a little bit from all the to the projects, uh you know, compatibility-wise, you're homogenizing the entire structure.

Um I think it looks I think it looks well, it reads well to me uh with the colors provided here.

I just make sure we just get those noted.

Okay, I'll grab those colors again.

Yeah, and for the patio, do they have to come back for the stone or not?

Or the for the patio?

Yeah.

Uh I I think the uh you know the wall, the retaining wall.

Oh, the retaining wall.

Yeah, you know that what's been redesigned.

Again, we didn't update these renderings for that, but it's very simple and it's just concrete.

There's no stone out there now.

Okay.

I would make sure that Kate is up to date on what you're actually attending, and then I mean, make a decision whether you need to bring it back or not.

All right, uh yeah, I'll make sure Kate gets a copy of that.

All right.

Pardon?

That's good.

Okay.

Any other comments?

Because our role here is just to review and comment.

Okay.

Thank you.

All right, thank you.

Thanks.

And you took your samples back.

Can I can I keep these or do you want to?

Gene, that's your picture.

Is that are they Marvin color?

I mean, just Kate, make sure you know which.

Yeah, these are uh Sherman Williams.

You know what?

Can I just do it this way?

Or PBG and I could copy and send it.

Yeah.

That's even better, right?

Yeah, even better.

Okay.

Great.

Thanks for having me.

Great project.

Okay.

All right.

So now we can go back to the public hearing.

The board will now conduct the public hearing on today's agenda.

First, the applicant or the applicant's representative will be invited to uh describe the proposed scope of work and to present any material or documentation regarding the proposal to the board.

Next persons wishing to speak in favor of the proposal will be given the opportunity to address the board.

Then persons who wish to speak in opposition will be allowed to address the board.

Finally, the applicant or representative will be given the opportunity to make closing comments to the board.

Following public comment, the board may vote to approve, approve with conditions, or deny the application just heard.

The board may also decide to hold its decision until the next public hearing.

If the hearing is closed, no additional information will be allowed into the record except for information that the board may request.

That information will be available for public review with board staff.

Kate, could you now introduce next application?

Yes.

Um CA-2611 for 310 Highland Avenue.

It is the replacement of the front door.

Sorry, James Street Preservation District.

And Miriam, if you could come up and introduce yourself and describe the project.

Hi guys, my name is Mary Ann Hussein.

Should I just explain like the reason why?

Yes.

Oh, okay.

Um, so last year, sometime like in the summertime, um, my son, three years old, ended up getting blood work done, and they found lead in his blood, and it was about the level five.

And so the lead people came, they checked the whole house, the attic, the basement, the second floor, the first floor, and they there was a lot of lead in the house.

So they gave us a platform.

I didn't I didn't know if I had to bring the paper or not, but they gave us a form of like everything that had lead from the attic to the basement to like the front of the house and everything.

Um so they were just like either changed things up, and mainly what they said was for the door because it was like glass, and there's a multiple time times where my son menace, by the way, he's runs around all the time, ended up getting cut multiple times from the door trying to open it and everything.

Um so they were just like you guys have to either majority of the paint has to be scraped off, repainted, redone, and everything like that.

And the door itself was like a hazard for him because he's three years old, and like some of the glass was already like broken off and everything like that.

So they were just like you guys can just change the door or just try to like get new glass for it.

And I just thought, you know, since it was um he he's the only kid in there.

I was like, why don't we just just let's just change the door because um because I didn't want him to keep getting hurt, and on top of that, there was lead on the paint around the doors and everything like that.

So that's what that's the reason that caused us to change the door.

Okay, uh thank you.

Um there is anyone here, there's no one here to come forward and speak in favor or opposition.

Um I will I will just note that you did get one letter that the board has um a copy of uh in opposition to the replacement door.

Okay.

Um guess we would close the public close the public hearing or the the uh public comment.

Comment close the public comment.

Um the board will deliberate um questions.

Has everyone had time to read uh the comment that was received by Kate?

What why did you choose the door that you that you chose?

Um so the door we the door was our it was like tan or white, um, but we did choose the board um the framing around it is like wooden, and that's just like safety reasons, no specific reason.

This is a wooden is the door metal or wood.

The the door or the frame.

The door is um I believe the door is like metal.

I don't think it's as wooden but I believe it's the problem was like the actual door, the uh the frame because the frame was like glass and it was like broken off and everything prior to us like moving in.

Yeah, the white part of it.

Yeah, yeah.

Did a contractor do the work or did you guys do the work yourself?

We got this.

I don't know, he's he says he's a contractor, but he's like a family friend or something, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, he does work for a lot um for us a lot.

I even have his number, and I did tell him about the hearing and everything, and like the questions you guys had about the door, so if you guys want number and everything like that.

Yeah, so with the door replacement, so we we pulled out the old wooden door and you enclosed or encased the surrounding leaded glass.

Did you cover it up or did you remove it?

Remove like the frame part?

The glass itself.

The glass, yeah, yeah.

So all that got pulled out.

Yeah, we ended up just removing the whole glass, and then and he just ended up putting like like the wooden frame on it instead of the glass.

And what was done with the you just threw the glass out?

Yeah, and then um just looking at it, replacing uh historic window and door combination, especially the leaded glass that was uh surrounding the door, and then replacing it with a metal door is generally not accepted in historic district.

Umards we looked at replacement of same kind, so a wooden door would get replaced with a wooden door.

First, you try to save the door, yeah, clean it, scrape it, paint it, and reinstall.

Um so obviously the work has been done.

Um trying to think of when you say metal metal door, are you talking about the actual door itself?

Correct, right?

Um I'm not even sure if that's wooden or if it's metal.

Like I said, I do have his phone number if you guys want to access it.

It appears from the from the picture that it's uh insulated metal door.

Yeah, um that it's not a wooden door.

You can see it from the fire cross.

You can see it from the street.

Oh wow, yeah.

Noticeable as a historic and the work order in the work in the description, it says it consists of a steel, well it says steel or fiberglass six-panel design door.

So it's not it's not a wooden door, right?

Right, right, right.

Yeah, it seems like the door is a less drastic change than the transoms and side lights missing and being replaced with bright white solid material.

Yeah, that's uh that's the bigger, I mean the door being a solid wood door to begin with.

Yeah, it's not you know, still a solid door, but the the panel around it is the drastic change that changed the whole dynamic of the front of the house.

It could have just sealed it in.

You could have sealed in the lead glass paint.

Did anyone give you um did you have discussions about how to encapsulate the lead paint?

Because uh a majority of homes of this period all have lead paint, and the protocol would be to encapsulate, and that truly is just painting the door.

Okay, we didn't know that.

We just they were just like you guys are on the time limit, especially since it's a three-year-old living in the house.

So under understood, I understand you know the the need to take care of something that might be harmful to a child or or anyone, but the protocol would have been to maintain the door and uh paint it to encapsulate the lead paint, and um it's quite unfortunate that all the lead um glazing has been removed and is no longer even available to be reinstalled because um in a historic district um this approach to encapsulating lead and um removing the the glazing as as done would be unacceptable.

And um it's quite unfortunate that all the lead um glazing has been removed and is no longer even available to be reinstalled because in a historic district um this approach to encapsulating lead and um removing the the glazing as as done would be unacceptable um it would not be approved no it would not be approved because you're in a historic district and the historic districts um have uh certain requirements for replacement and the first uh order of business based on the Secretary of Interior's standard is to replace in kind to replace a wood door with a wood door to replace glazing with glazing um which has not been done any other comments do you have anything else they uh give you the opportunity to respond um so I just so if the application hasn't been approved, like what are the steps, how do we go forward with everything that needs to be done?

Do we want to well yeah?

Do you want do you want to carry on and then we can talk about what the what the next is?

Um we've closed the public comment.

Um discussion from the board one other comment I would want to make is that in addition to all the input my colleagues have provided um the replacement requirements extend to collection of the finishes as well.

So even if we may have an issue with this as it's been implemented, because you may have noticed the previous applicant made an effort to, I mean, they're providing the paint prior new it doesn't appear that um the painted finishes make an attempt to harmonize with the house, so that's something that we would want to see as well any time that you're re-finishing repainting, even if it was the same material and you were able to say that we'd want to see an effort to try and maintain the overall colors for the rest of the house.

If the board has no other comment, um may I have a motion on this application?

I'll make a motion to deny the application as submitted.

Is there a second?

Any discussion?

You want to base it on standards, yes.

Uh standard number two and five.

You want to read them.

Uh standard two, the historic character of property will be retained and preserved.

The removal of distinctive materials or alteration of features, spaces, and spatial relationships that characterize a property will be avoided.

Standard number five, distinctive materials, features, finishes, and construction techniques for examples of craftsmanship that characterize a property will be preserved.

Um standard six deteriorated historic features will be repaired rather than replaced where the severity of deterioration requires replacement of a distinctive feature.

The new feature will match the old in design color texture, and where possible materials replacement of missing features will be substantiated by documentary and physical evidence.

And then I thought about nine as well.

Excuse me, standard number nine, new additions, exterior alterations or related new construction will not destroy historic materials, features and spatial relationships that characterize a property.

From the old and will be compatible with historic materials, features, size, scale, and proportion, and massing to protect the integrity of the property and its environment.

So thank you.

Um is there a second you'll second?

Okay.

Any discussion or modifications to the motion?

Is the board uh is this uh without prejudice in that the the applicant can come back with the revised design for the absolute so you can well should we go through carry on?

All in favor of the motion, aye.

Uh any opposition abstentions the motion.

So let yeah, now will you explain or should yeah?

Um and we could work together to come up with um to come up with a revised design for the door that is more compatible with the door and frame.

Door and frame, sorry, it's not just the door, the entire opening.

Um so that um it can be inched back towards uh a more appropriate appearance.

Um so uh that's something that that uh we can have further conversation which direction you'd like to like to head with that.

Um so that's that's a we'll be in touch.

We'll we'll have some we'll have conversation then.

Yeah, okay.

And if you have additional questions, please reach out to Kate Um so that we can find a resolution, the resolution.

Yeah.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

And short meeting.

Short meeting.

Not yet.

Oh, discussion of board member transition.

Yeah, I think Julia, if I'm not mistaken, this is your last meeting.

Yeah, so I don't know.

The closing was supposed to be when the 30th, but that's getting moved out a little bit.

Just because banks are really slow.

So the buyer's bank approval is I'm told is all signed, but you so I looked back and you started with the board in 2009, was it's actually my first uh year as well.

So I remember uh recruiting you to the board.

Um bad 17 years ago.

Yeah, I know, I know.

Um and then um you took over for Bob Don in 2023.

Yeah, and although Don kept saying for years, will you do this?

Will you see this is so true?

This is so true.

And then we finally that's right, but you know, there were some issues some meetings that I was very happy he was still the chairperson.

But you're I just say that you are tremendous help with the um I mean to the board and to me all this time, your knowledge of construction and materials and have uh has been um of tremendous assistant not only to the board members but also obviously to the applicants, and um you are you also helped us, of course, transfer to our new with all the new uh reason you know the the all the rezone and what that uh require procedures with the public hearings and so forth and and no, but also when we had those meetings with rezone with Bob and Don and Oh yes, yeah, that this is so true.

I don't know if the the rest of the board is aware of that, but we had several, I don't know how long that went on meetings regarding the information in the rezone for historic trying to get it to yeah, get the new preservation ordinance and in line.

So all of those things we really thank you for your service and service to the city, and you would definitely be missed.

I'm not totally gone.

No, I from the board.

I know I know where to find you.

I'm still working.

Yeah, um, you have to find your own replacement here on the board.

Well, so uh so for the so actually the for the interim, the the vice chair will step in.

Um we do now need uh well there will need to be uh board elections for uh new chair and new vice chair, correct, and it is by approval of the mayor.

No, actually the board the board makes the will we'll vote uh no the the board makes the selection right and we do need to fill your seat as well.

So uh recommendations for another architect because we want we two architects is not enough.

We need three.

That's that's what I was saying.

Uh comparable knowledgeable person, right?

So someone preservation architect obviously would be very helpful, and any um recommendations, please let me know.

Um so according to the ordinance, the uh the the person does need to live in the city.

Um but we anyway, but that that's how the ordinance stands at the moment.

I am so any recommendations.

Anyway, we just wanted to say thank you again.

And I'm sorry.

Good luck to you.

And really and we know where to find you.

We know that you're still at HKK, it's not down.

But I also stepped down from the zoning board for the village of Fayetteville.

So I might be stepping onto another board.

That's right, that's what happens, right?

I mean, I I do enjoy it.

Um I like that this board in particular um provides a great service to the city.

Um in terms of you know preserving our housing stock and our building stocks so that it can be reused.

Um the most green thing we could do is reuse existing buildings beyond all the other requirements that we look at to make buildings energy efficient and so forth.

Reusing our building stock is probably the you know tantamount to any city, and the city is getting better and better with the highway coming down.

Just we're all suffering through the drive at the moment.

Yeah, every morning I don't know which lane to get into because they put out the cones and they take away the cones and put out the cone.

So anyway, thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you so much.

You've been a great leader.

Thank you very much.

You're welcome.

You know where to find me.

Yes, I do, thank you.

Appreciate your judgment and perspective on your work says they come forward.

You've got my cell number and you got my email address, it's not going away.

So yeah.

So anyway, so we shall close a motion to adjourn.

Okay.

Second.

All in favor?

Okay.

Thank you.

I'm not supposed to vote.

So I can't believe it's 2009.