I thought I drew something.

Hello, everybody.

Um, it is tankly five thirty.

Um, I am Benny Guzman.

I am the chair of the public arts commission.

Uh, we're having a few technological things, trying to pull up um the actual agenda for tonight and all the applications.

Uh, we do also have Commissioner Byrd of Parks and Recreations on our way with some paper documents.

Um, so we might just delay the meeting five minutes just to get started.

Um, I do apologize for the inconvenience.

Uh, we are gonna do our best to try to make sure that we hear everybody and get through all the things.

Uh, but technology is finicky sometimes.

Um, so I appreciate your patience.

Um, but yeah.

Uh also just as a reminder, um, we are live streaming this.

Uh, so anything you say, just please be sure to use the microphone.

Uh, for presenters tonight.

Uh, again, we're gonna try to have everything up here so that way you can actually see the visual artwork and we can all see what's going on.

Um, yeah, if you give us about five minutes, we're gonna figure out what is going on here.

Thank you all.

The minutes, correct?

No.

Okay, that's fine.

I think we can abstain and vote on the minutes next time.

Oh, yeah, but we need to we can do it again.

Yeah, it's just the same.

Yay, public missing.

All right.

Um also going to record it.

Okay.

Hi, hi everyone.

Oh, we need to come in like a fine.

Uh, but we are just going to get started just so that yeah.

All right.

So uh welcome everybody.

Again, my name is Benny Guzman.

I am the chair of the public arts commission for the city of Syracuse.

Uh, I'm officially calling this meeting to order.

Um, yeah, just a little bit about today.

We do have an agenda.

Um, I will have all the commissioners introduce themselves.

Um, we are going to skip item three, review the regular meeting minutes.

We do not have those printed for us.

Um, so we can't not approve them until next meeting essentially.

Um, so we will just plan to have at the next meeting two sets of meeting minutes, and that'll be fine.

Uh, we do have two applications for today.

Um, we have them pulled up as well, but I believe we are still getting uh paper copies, so we'll just go into that.

After that, we'll just have some general discussion.

Uh, but I don't think there's a whole lot to update on.

Uh, so it might be we might be able to get everything kind of in line uh within the hour mark.

Um, so fingers crossed.

Anything there are a couple folks in the audience.

Yes.

Yes, no, I am aware of that, and we will go through that as we get there.

Yeah.

Um, so yeah, so I will just have everybody introduce themselves for attendance purposes.

We'll start this way and go around.

Maggie Levis.

Emma Reader.

Sophia Gutierrez.

Emmanuel Carter.

Lisa Lambert.

Saisha Bird.

All right.

Yeah.

So yes, given that we are going to move past uh reviewing the regular minutes.

Uh we will just move on to the motions for consideration.

Quick question, I'm sorry.

Are the items for discussion pertinent to the applications that we're seeing here today?

And as such, should we move discussion points to before we review the applications or after?

Because usually when we review the application, we vote on it kind of immediately following.

And I didn't know if people wanted things to be taken into consideration before you know what you mean before that.

So the items that we have on for discussion are related to applications that are in the air in the process, but not necessarily applications that have seen to be officially sended it.

Yeah.

So thank you.

But yes, um, when it comes to uh when we get to the motions, uh what we will do is we'll have the artist or presenter present the artwork.

Um after that, the commission will have questions for that, and we'll open it up to discussion and then follow by voting from there.

Thank you.

Um and that goes for the audience as well.

Um I will also say again, this is a public space, so we do ask that everybody be respectful.

Um yeah, uh if uh anybody is out of line, um I would do not hesitate to ask you to leave and/or ask security if possible.

Oh yeah.

I just want to throw that out there because yeah.

Um but yeah, I think we will start with our first uh application, SPAC 2606, S U GOATS uh and it's by Chris Murray.

Yeah, sorry.

It just my brainstorm Murray, and I was like, mural, and I was like, that's so we can pull it out.

Yeah, so Chris, we can pull that up.

Do you have your app or do you want me to pull it up here?

I'm happy to do that.

I have my pronouns.

Just go back.

You guys mind if I sit at the table?

Yeah, no, uh, again, just speak.

Yeah, you can sit at the table just speak into the mic when you um so yeah, we will uh Maggie, do you actually mind?

Scroll into his picture.

Scrolling through.

Yeah.

You're gonna be first, real quick.

A little bit of fantastic.

And one after that, I think.

That's just a boring intro.

Go ask that.

That's that one.

Or maybe the next one where it has the walls.

You're presenting, so you tell me that.

So this is the initial design.

The next one is the wall, the location where it's actually going to go.

Yep.

Um, you can go.

I would say, yeah.

Maggie, if you want, let's hold there and yeah, Chris, introduce the project, tell us a little more about it.

Sure.

So this is the final install.

Can you guys everybody hear me?

Okay.

This is the final installation to the um to the to the Syracuse hoops mural series.

Um, the the Beheim mural was the one that I painted last October.

This is the one that I've always been most excited about because it features the players, players that I grew up loving, both men and women.

Um, you know, there was some recent press about it months ago that leaked that was never official, and I was kind of sad that it got out there.

This was always the intended location for this mural.

Um all of the players have signed off.

Um I've spoken to everybody, I've gotten everyone's signature, everyone's very excited about it.

And the good thing about this project, which is what I wanted to do with the first one, last mural, but I wasn't able to because of the the wall size with this project.

I now can include local high school students and our students to participate, to learn.

Um, you know, I'm coming from Philly, and that's a big thing that we do in Philly is we involve the community.

We we involve um local students and high schools, elementary schools sometimes.

Um Steam high school here in Syracuse.

Um I spoke with them on the way up actually, and they have 40 to 60 students who are coming by three to four days to kind of learn the process of a mural.

Um I spoke with the principal, the art teacher, and they're very excited.

Um that's pretty much it.

Um, do you guys have any questions?

I'm trying to think if I'm missing anything.

Yeah, I'd also check with Nottingham School.

Sure.

Because they actually have the public arts program.

Sure.

Okay, yeah.

And they, I mean, Steam is good because it's all counting.

Yeah.

But it's brand new.

Yeah.

And there are gonna be sophomores.

I would say please check out Nottingham High School as well.

Sure.

Because they actually have a public art program.

And I was under the impression that you know, I welcome anybody that wants to come in and participate.

Yeah.

They prime primarily um focused on Steam for some reason.

I mean, it's not a terrible thing.

That's a new one.

That's yeah, yeah, it's a new one, right?

So as of right now, that's those are the students that are going to come by, but yeah, I'll definitely reach out to the other schools as well.

But a summer break, so nobody gets back to me.

Right.

You know, so I've got a question.

It says that the IR the iris's assistant fee is not determined yet.

Have you made any headway on that?

Or do you still working that out with the artist?

Okay.

Um it kind of depends on her fee and what she prefers.

Um but yeah, that's something that will be squared away pretty soon.

You'll have a contract and all of that.

Okay.

Yeah.

Um, I'm wondering if you can speak to the press that you mentioned.

Sure.

Like what that was about, and sort of your response as an artist.

Yeah, sure.

Uh I'd be happy to actually.

Um the what came out in the papers.

Um, I'm sure some of you have seen it.

It announced that this project was going to be painted on the the Fayette Street building.

Um, you guys all know where that building is, I know where it is.

That was never the case.

Um the the owner Mike Flynn, from what I gathered, has always intended to paint over that mural this year.

Um I talked with Allie, I made it clear, you know, her and I discussed she was fine with it.

She understood.

I mean, that's just the nature of the beasts a lot of times with public art.

I've had my murals painted over in Philly several times.

Um with this, what I didn't like is the press made it seem like I was coming in to take over her spot, and that was never the case.

And I actually told Mike, if that's what he's planning on doing, then I'd prefer not to put my mural there because it doesn't feel right to paint over someone else to make way for my project.

Um, I would never do that.

I don't do that in Philly.

That's code between artists.

Um, and I explained that to Ali, she understood.

And so um, and I also let Mike know that it wasn't guaranteed that his wall would be where eventually this would end up.

So if I could just interject just a little bit here, from what I understood, um, there was even people from this, the project that you're proposing today that did have that were intending to put it in that place, but when realizing that the wall hadn't been treated appropriately, that it was probably not an option any longer.

And at that point, the conversation was had with Allie, also taking into consideration like a lot of the bad press and stuff like that, like the comments and kind of argumentative nature of some of the responses in those in the press stuff.

Sure.

Um, yeah, that was the that was the information that was communicated between who?

Between myself and another party.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So Mike Tisdale um helped sponsor the original Jim Behind.

Great guy.

Yep.

It was always intended to paint something on his building.

Right.

Um, the Beheim Ural was supposed to go on his building, but just the format didn't line up correctly.

The first one, okay.

So him and I talked at the the red the ribbon cutting for that project.

He's like, I want you to paint the next one on my building.

I said, Great.

We ran into some issues.

There's trees, um, there's some other issues, there's a plaque.

Um, he had some lettering on his building that would have come, it would have been problematic to paint over.

Sure.

So it took Mike forever to or his property manager forever to get back to me.

So when a muralist doesn't get a response, location is very tricky.

Of course.

So you have to bounce around who's available, who's who's a limited time frame, yeah.

Time frame is an issue, and then also funding for these projects.

Um, a lot of it, you know, from what I've learned is based off do you have a location?

That's the first question they asked.

Do you have a location?

So doing all of this myself, I feel pressure.

It's a very high pressure project, especially.

I mean, it's an undertaking, getting signatures, getting everyone on board.

It's just an undertaking.

So Mike did come to me after the fact.

I'm painting over Allie's.

I I like I said, I told Mike, um, Mike, please don't paint over it for my project.

Right, right.

And I have the text, I have the correspondence.

He said, no, no, no, no.

I know I I've known Allie since we were kids.

This was always agreed upon that, you know, I gave her five years, right?

Is when he first commissioned her.

The time I want to change it and bring in a new look, so to speak.

So yeah, it's just unfortunate everything kind of lined up that way.

Like I was coming in, he was coming out, and just it was just an ugly, and it just didn't sit right.

Um, but with that said, I did hear some of the feedback.

Well, into a bunch of it too.

You have to, I mean, as artists, we're very sensitive people, right?

I mean, when when you work a year, I mean, this was a year undertaking, and then somebody who doesn't know the full story just gives quick darts.

True.

It's very hard to sit back, and normally I do, but when it's something very personal and it's not the full story, then I I probably shouldn't have, but I did.

And I, you know, I apologize if there was anything that was offensive in there or what whatnot, but okay, I guess it kind of blends itself to my next question.

Um, with the it's saying funded, but we don't have like a specific sources located.

Could you help talk about that a little bit more?

Or sources needed.

It is outlined, it is outlined in our recording.

And in many ways, it also because I could say I have a thousand dollars to paint a mural.

I don't have a thousand dollars.

And I don't do anything.

And again, and I I guess it it's also one of those things like if it was privately fundraised, sure, that's one thing, but like we also came from the state, it's another grant.

And we just want to be aware of where it's coming from.

And also too, it also it impacts the ability to complete this mural.

If you are saying you have 75k to do this mural, great.

Yeah, but if you're just saying that because you needed to get it through the door, that's a where a red flag for us where it's like, are you actually doing this?

Are you you're saying you're gonna do it, and then midway through the project, you actually can't complete it.

Yeah, a perfect example of that is a very sweet friend of all of ours, named Sydney came here to present two months ago, maybe, and she had a grant by a private institution.

They pulled it out on her.

You know, and so like it's it's with a private institution specifically, it's like for that very reason.

It's important for all of us, especially the city to have an understanding that like we locked in, we're ready to go, this is gonna happen here when where you know what I mean.

I mean, to be fair, I'll paint I'd paint a mural for nothing.

I mean, just to put that out there, you know, this is my passion, this is what I do, but this is funded, it's mostly it's all the way funded, partly from do I need to give names?

Is that as much as possible, yeah.

No, not a dime from the state, not a dime from Syracuse.

Okay, all former alumni and Jim Beheim himself.

Okay, and then friends and family of mine.

Okay, yeah.

So, like crowdsourced essentially.

But I think I didn't do a crowdsource, I didn't do a GoFundMe or anything.

I did it for the Beheim Ural.

I didn't do it for this one, it just had a strange experience from that first time around.

Okay.

Um, yeah, so what kind of I was looking, I printed some stuff out just because also my computer was being stupid earlier and I didn't know if I'd have access.

So we per the documentation checklist, supporting checklist, we require project budget, including both committed and anticipated funding sources in order to approve the project.

So and that's what I would say, like Chris.

If you do have that because I know again, and that's why I I knew that for the last mural, you had like we're doing this specific fundraiser through this way.

If you have this information, you can pass it along because again, it's more so making sure that again because it's not about the payment of you as much as yes, artists should be able to.

We're all artists, we get it, yeah.

Absolutely.

But it also comes down to again, you need a lift.

If you don't have that three thousand dollars, that means you are not doing that mural.

You are not finishing it.

And so again, it's not about having it's more about we want to secure the fact that you will be able to complete this project in the way that you're lining up.

So the good thing is uh the Jim Beheim one was a learning curve for me.

Okay.

The great thing about that mural, I met a lot of great people in the city.

I knew a lot of the people already.

But they saw what I was doing and what I intended to do, and I make great relationships with them, so they provided the lifts.

They provided um some provided room and board, some provided materials, and that's carrying over to this as well.

Okay, yeah.

If you can just provide us that information, again it's itemized.

It's more just to make sure that like again, this is and again, this is something we ask for m all the artists of like where this is coming from, and a lot of times too, they have like a fiscal sponsor who is like, I am providing this, this, and this, and so it comes it's less on the and again.

I think this is also a different case because yeah, many projects of this scale we work with are not just an artist, it is an artist and a fiscal sponsor.

Well, actually have CNY arts as a fiscal sponsor for this.

So they had the opportunity to donate and send payment to them.

Okay.

They they just, I mean, as you guys are probably aware, they just would rather give it to me.

They sent me checks.

Okay.

Okay.

Um I mean, I was just there as an option.

So with the Behai mural, these people that I didn't know yet.

When I'm asking for money, they're like, I don't know you.

Why would I?

And I didn't have it back then.

So I learned my lesson, and I got it this time around just in case they felt more comfortable, you know, giving a larger sum or a different donation.

You know, and again, I I think a lot of this, and I totally understand that.

Like that is part of the process.

And again, I think our concern is again you're saying a lot of names, but I don't have the receipts to back it up.

And I was not saying you don't have it, but we need to make sure that that is the case before, and again, because this is a big project, that's really what it is because it is such a large-scale project.

Um, it'd be one thing if it was a smaller mural on a side of a building, it was like the the building owners paying for this kind of thing, but it sounds like it's a bit more complex of a project than that, and so that's why again we're asking for some of that.

And I don't think that will deter us from approving or denying it, but it is something we need in order to solidify that process of approval or denial.

I don't know, I don't know if I necessarily agree with your sentiments wholly with all due respect, just because I think because there has been so much attention and press about the last project and how it was funded, and this project now was the last one funded.

That's a that's a good question.

Um there's been a lot of there was a lot of conflicting reports about where the the money came from for the last one because we you when you came here last to um to do your thing, we granted you approval if um with a contingency that we saw proof of just a kind of what we're asking for, and we never got that, and then what it was if I could just finish and then the project just completed, uh or just excuse me, just started without any of us really having any further indemnification.

So, as such, because there's been attention paid to this, it's kind of important for us to cross all the T's and dot the I's just in case people come back and ask us questions, you know what I mean?

As because I think maybe they didn't ask them the first time.

I'm feeling like they probably might this time.

That's right.

You know what I mean?

Who I'm sorry, go ahead.

No, no.

I was gonna say the lady that was used to be on the board that is no longer on the board.

So I believe it would have been um no, it would have been because Anne received a lot of the documentation.

She might not have passed it all.

That's exactly what happened.

Oh, okay.

So then we might be able to, yeah, because I because it would have been around the time where we there was a transition outwards for her.

So Anne was my person of point of contact for the last one, and I remember it very thoroughly.

The contingency was I have to raise the 90k, which is what the last project was by before the start date.

I wasn't given to the start date, it was before the start date.

Okay, which I did, which was a nightmare.

Yeah, passed that along to Anne.

Okay.

Apparently, she never passed it along to you guys.

So everything like you asked for, I did.

It just wasn't.

Yeah.

Okay, is there a way that there's a way to retrieve any of that?

I mean, I know we've already put like a you know, I but I think that would be a lot of people.

Probably not at least.

If you want to just help you out, the chatter is that it never happened.

And if you did your due diligence, and I want people to know that you did that.

Okay, you know what I mean?

So yeah.

Okay.

I think I had some yeah, no go for it.

I had some questions about the image.

Um, I know it's supposed to honor the community, but I don't see I see the basket, you know, guys in the goat, but the background and stuff has nothing to do with Syracuse.

I feel like it's it's I love the basket.

Don't get me wrong.

But there isn't, I mean, it doesn't have anything that says this is Syracuse.

And if it says in your thing that you're doing it to honor and the community as well.

Other direction up the other day, yeah.

I mean, I felt like it was from Arizona.

In some sense, the scene, it's not the foliage isn't something that you would see here in Syracuse or I mean the hills definitely, but if you think that the mega on the top of a mountain, yeah, yeah, looking down, so you get that kind of tree.

Yeah, but I mean could we do something to add like the foliage to being more for us the birds to be more what's in our area or the flower, you know.

I'm saying even having the dome or something in the you know, making on top of the mountain, being that would be kind of related back to Syracuse because I feel like it could be any place, and you just put Syracuse in there.

The players in there, and I want it to be if it's gonna honor our community, it should relate to our community a little bit more beyond just the goat.

Yeah, because that's I know that sounds.

So here's here's my response is I don't want to put the dome in there.

That's valid.

That is valid.

This is why I agree, no doubt.

Yeah, for both murals, like I said, SE never gave me a dime, right?

Right.

And that's strange because coming from Philly, the arts community and the sports community are hand in hand.

So I mean they have a lot of people.

But you might be able to get it from J GMC.

If you have the the who owns the dome, who sponsors the dome, they might give you money actually.

Besides that, I think.

So that's why I understand where you're but like if there's like we have apple trees or things that are.

Oh, I know how I know exactly what you're talking about.

Pine trees, all the things to make it in this common flora fauna and the dealer.

Just to bring it back to that's a great idea.

That's a that's a good idea.

I mean, I love the image, I think it's great.

And I love the idea of honoring the high schoolers and the college people and the you know, all the local people.

That's great.

Yeah, but the background and stuff doesn't I mean, even being at Rondex, you'd see trees, pine trees and trees and but I feel like it's in a desert.

I know it's simplified, but yeah.

So yeah, that's so that's a great point.

If you couldn't easy, if like easy.

Probably taken from one side or the other of Onondaga Lake looking south into the into the foothills.

Okay, and so uh just uh you know, uh it doesn't change the concept in any way.

Yeah, but low gentle forested topography.

Sure is is really the the setting that people would recognize.

Yeah, that's uh that's a great point too.

When when I when I do these kind of things, like I get caught up with making sense, and my my whole concept here was that he's so high up that it's it's I mean it's such a feat that they climbed, yeah that you wouldn't see anything.

I mean it's in the cloud, yeah.

I'm with you, and I think that you have every your creative license is all your own.

I mean, these just for the research.

This is a great suggestion.

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, this is obviously not a requirement.

Yeah, yeah.

Especially the stuff like close up, like with close-up plants.

If we could get some set, yeah, I'm all for the some traffic jams on top of the mountain.

Yeah, I do construction falling apart, yeah.

There's tons of models.

A little snow.

Yeah, yeah.

We appreciate you taking this and striving.

Yeah, no, it's a lot.

That's how it goes.

No, it's sure.

Um I have one more question, and I'll we'll continue.

Any questions?

But I guess the process of working with you, have you worked with teens before on a project like this?

Teen says in like assistance.

Have you worked with teams?

Well, not even just assistance because assistance apply implies that they have a level of understanding.

By any chance.

No, I'm like swallowing my tongue here.

Uh, there is water now.

There's a water fountain, you gotta put up.

But um I guess working with youth, these are children.

These are not okay, yes.

Okay, yep.

Because I wanted to make sure, because that is not easy.

And if you're going to have that many, I want to make sure that like we are.

They do with the kids.

Yeah, a lot of people.

You said like 40 to 60 students, is that a a group of each across these two to three days?

Or is it mine?

It really depends on what works with like the school, like with what they when they can bring people.

I guess what what is that two to three days look like with how many people you'll have in this area at one time painting?

So the school district is still determining is it gonna be 60?

Is it gonna be five?

Is it gonna be 10?

I like there's still kind of bouncing back and forth there.

For me, all the more the merrier.

I'm happy.

I love to teach, I have teaching in my blood.

Um, but I understand this uh intersection or or pocket might be a little problematic when school buses are coming in full of kids and teachers and whatnot.

The high traffic area, yeah.

Yeah, so I think it's probably gonna be more to 20 kids per session.

And what I what I suggested is they we start very early on in the process so they can kind of see how a mural gradually starts from sketch to blocking in color to then adding detail and and everything else.

Um that's how I like to learn, and you know, that the teachers agreed like they thought that was a great idea.

So very early on, as far as like um painting and and getting into it, they'll there'll be some of that, but it'll be very um monitored.

Um, that was gonna be my kind of lift.

Yeah, yeah, no, you got that.

Yeah, I mean that would be terrible liability for me.

Absolutely.

Um, no kids on the lift.

Uh even my assistant won't be on the lift.

Everybody will be operating from the ground that doesn't have liability insurance.

Um, and the kids I believe have to have sign offs from their parents and everything.

So how does how many does it have to be chaperones or something like that?

So, yes, it's like 12 kids to every adult.

But they will provide it and they will also have all the documentation and they'll also get um photography sign-offs that you might have to do.

Typically, we have it for school, but you might want to check and make sure that they add that code in for because certain kids can be photographed and parents don't want them to be.

Yeah, no, it's it's a which is normal liability.

But uh, yeah, but for your birds, the down low stuff, the easier painting stuff is good for the kids to be a part of, cleanups, um gophering that stuff for them to see is a process is a good thing, lesson for the kids to do and stuff.

Um seeing how you transfer the images and stuff.

Yeah, those are great lessons for the kids because they were taking they're used to working on paper to large scale.

So that would be both a great resource for them to see as it develops, and just taking photographs just in sake of time.

Um, are there any major pressing questions we have for Chris?

Because if not, we can move on to a discussion.

None that I haven't asked.

No.

Like simple logistics questions.

What's the shape of the wall?

I know that you're gonna do some prep work, but like shape as in like the conditions, no conditions, like what shape is the wall in uh from what I've been told the property manager is taking care of the wall this month.

Uh that means removing like the let that there's old lettering on there.

Yeah, um, that area is just not, and he's the building owner here, it hasn't been taken care of.

So he has property his new property manager is trimming the trees, is cleaning up the shrubs, is I'm trying to think if there's anything else.

Is that where Tommy Lincoln's newspaper bench is?

That is well.

Is that they're looking at it same spot, I'm I think in the same thing?

Okay, it's been it's tilting, it's not visible.

So what we talked about doing is putting it in a spot where people can actually see it and it actually stands up.

They're working with the city on that.

Um, from what they told me, everything's got it signed off on and is an easy uh fix or whatever.

So yeah, and as far as maintenance, what are we thinking about?

Like as far as repairs, like I know that you're you're not like based out of Syracuse and one of the reasons why we kind of ask for more local based stuff is because it's obviously for your you know, living in Eastwood, it's easier for you to come down and fix it.

I'm here every two to three months to see family and friends.

I'm here often.

Cool.

Like I said, like these two things are very near and dear to me and my family and my friends.

This is something I would never let crumble.

And even with the Bayheim mural, I guess a new owner came in and bought the building or is buying the building.

It happens a lot now.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's like, we're gonna paint it over, and I was gonna, and I was fighting with him.

I was like, look, I dedicated that to my daughter, to my family members, I have family members in there, so that was an awful fight.

I don't know if you guys heard anything about that.

Not at all.

That's that might be surfacing soon.

So I don't know if it's gonna be it happens, but that's why I understood.

You know, I understood Ali's thing.

Right, right.

I get it, it happens to me, it happens to all of us.

So I don't know if it's gonna happen this year or two years, five years, but that was like their intention.

So it flips so fast downtown, especially in the Armory Square area, that's so it happens like overnight.

That's crazy.

I'm sorry that happened.

So yeah, I would like to open it up to discussion amongst us.

Um yeah, I think my thing is that this is a big project.

And in the fact that there are a lot of moving parts still currently happening in terms of the site, the kids, um, the funding just getting confirmation on that stuff.

And so I'm like on the fence a little bit about this.

I'm not saying I'm just because there's so much that like there's a lot of paperwork that like we would still need in order to ensure safety, liability, and the completion of this project.

And liability, I mean more from like, well, if there if there is an MOU with the school, Parks and Rec should probably have that MOU to understand this is what the kids are doing, all those also because they're gonna have you're gonna need to have permission slips, you're gonna need to have all that stuff.

So the school, what they explained to me is they're waiting on you guys so they can get that all in order.

They want to hear from you first before they put that on.

I don't know that they've ever done that before.

I don't know.

Because we've dealt a lot with, and I mean if that's what needs to happen, that's fine.

But like that's the first time I've ever heard of it.

I've been here for doing this for almost two years.

That's the first time I've ever heard of them waiting on us.

Yeah, so Steam, I don't know if it's new board of directors or whatnot, but they I mean, that's what they told me on the way up here.

And I could give you their contacts, I could give you their information.

Um, easy enough.

Okay.

To be fair, this is one of the smallest murals I've ever painted.

This is a in scope much smaller than the Bayheim mural prizes.

Right, no, no, no, no.

Not I I guess not in terms of um as far as kids and everything.

Well, not even impact in the yeah, not even necessarily the scale, like, but just again, because there are gonna be kids involved, because there's money involved, because there's all these movies, and again, it's different because you're one of the few artists who is coming just kind of on your own.

And so I'm not trying to I'm not trying to like cut you at the knee, but unfortunately, you are coming a little bit with some things not prepared because a lot of some of the other organizations have all these things kind of ready.

And that's the thing and that's the thing is so like there's a lot of stuff that you just don't necessarily like it's not fully here that some of those organizations have given us.

So that's why I'm trying to be flexible and also figure out the best way to go.

So just internal question.

Are we able to almost like pretend like we didn't see this today and like maybe call a special beating in two weeks once you're able to get your ducks in a row, and then we can reevaluate at that juncture?

Because like the other option, because I completely agree with everything that you just said.

The other option is denial, and then once it's denied, there's a whole nother process that we have to go through in order to he has to appeal it and blah blah blah.

It's not a bad we're not saying we intrinsically have an issue with the mural.

It's just that the T's and I's need to be crossed and dotted before we can put our stamp on it.

Yeah, so as such, what recourse do we have as a group?

And if you I just say check in with the school district about what is true.

Well, I think it it's it's not even it's it's more internal.

I think instead Do we have an option of just like tabling those for two weeks, like not voting one way or the other, or is that we might be able to table this because we have to hold off on things.

I mean, other commissions do that as well.

To Emma just said that the city planning has done that before.

And also, Chris wouldn't have to be physically present.

Correct.

You could just send it to email back up.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay, I think that's an important thing.

If if I were to an idea, right?

I think an idea would be to try just table this.

It's incomplete, incomplet incomplete or you know, um, on hold or however we want need to word it for minutes or whatever, not and give you a week or two opportunity to get your ducks in a row.

We can have some internal conversations that'll give us a chance to talk with Syracuse City School District and be like, what the heck you talking about?

Yeah, um I can put you in contact with us.

Yeah, that's easy enough.

That's no problem.

Yeah, um, and it'll give you a chance to send us anything else that we need.

Okay, and we won't have to necessarily convene again.

I mean, I guess we'd have to vote.

We would have to come.

But we can call a special meeting in a week or two once we get it to give you some time.

Will I be present through like a phone call or how is uh I can call you?

We could probably do that.

Um and again, it would be one of those things, yeah, where then we would just because it would have to it would be public notice that we would be meeting to vote on this.

No problem.

We need seven days, yeah.

So we'd probably do it like two weeks from now.

It's two weeks in the middle of the year.

Which is my meeting to get it together and help us out with all gonna be available.

All right, so it's July 28th.

I would I would just ask if you guys can just give me a checklist.

Sure.

Yeah, no, what we'll do is at the end of this meeting.

Um, I'll have and out I I'm in contact with you now.

Because I know for the last mirror, like I was in contact, and then it kind of like got moved out of my hands, and those kind of been my experience.

It's like I don't know who is the point of contact and who I should be speaking to and there's been some turn.

There's yes, there's been a quite a bit of turnover.

So um we're gonna be able to do that.

So I just I just handed a copy of our checklist that we have published on our website highlighted with a funding source because that's the main thing that we've got.

Um, and then if I can take a note.

So we're talking about we need the funding sources located or allocated slips and things.

Or at least an MOU from the school from the school district or the school.

Like we just need an understanding.

This is what they're doing.

Yeah, yeah.

I can talk to Rory.

I'm an art teacher for school.

Oh, you don't have the I'm I'm an art teacher for the school district.

Oh, yeah, okay.

So Rory is one of them.

A man uh is Amanda.

Um she might be the art teacher there.

I'm not sure.

But I was or I'm not sure who else is what else I did.

But I will talk to Rory.

Yeah, those two things.

Yeah, he was the guy that put me in touch with the principal that we spoke today.

Yeah, Roy's Roy's great.

And I mean this guy, I know the principal as well.

So yeah.

Okay, so all right.

If that is a case, that makes my job much easier, then yeah.

Okay.

Do you want do I hear a motion to table this application until further documents are submitted?

So Maggie seconds.

All in favor.

All right.

So again, Chris, it's not a denial, it's not an approval.

We are tabling this.

Okay.

Um, more than likely, it'll be in two weeks.

We will probably be able to.

Well, hopefully, we have to announce it by like tonight or tomorrow when we're actually gonna host the special meeting.

Okay, it'll be a special meeting in which we vote on the approval or denial of this.

All right.

And again, you I think if it's easier for you, we can arrange.

No, I think he might have to be here.

I don't remember when we had the uh executive session for the open meeting law.

You don't necessarily need an applicant an app because we can they can zoom in and I think there was like a but we can check again.

We can check on just confirm the details of that.

Because if you don't have to be here, I don't want to force you to be like, I'm coming out for the special.

I'll say with my current schedule in two weeks, I won't be able to be here.

Okay.

So then I could send Mike Tisdale.

I mean praying that he's available.

I mean, he's the only one that always sends for those.

We will confirm the details, Chris.

I agree.

I'm not worried about this.

Sounds great.

Yes.

But thank you guys.

I appreciate it.

Thank you so much for your moving.

Uh Emma and then Maggie second.

Yeah, I also am recording for notes purposes.

All right, we are gonna keep moving on uh to SPAC.

Uh 2607, unbox round three.

I'll have folks come up.

Yep.

Yep, you can feel free.

I touch the user.

Yeah, feel free.

Hi everyone, thanks for having me.

My name's Rachel Schaeffer.

Um, I'm the new placemaking programs manager for the downtown committee of Syracuse.

Um and today I'm here on behalf of both the downtown Syracuse Foundation and the Downtown Committee.

Um, in addition to our two artists that are a part of this upcoming round of our utility unboxed program.

Um so for those of you that don't know, hopefully you've heard of Unbox before, but we do um the downtown committee um has a public process in which we choose artists for utility boxes.

Um we're trying to do it on a more regular basis.

So this is round three.

So far, we've completed seven boxes um downtown, and we have one more that came online and another one that is um being completed this summer.

So super exciting.

Um this is another two boxes to add to that program, um, which is funded this year by TNT.

So thank you to the city for that.

So the first one here by dinosaur barbecue.

Oh, just want to zoom in a little bit.

Oh yeah, if you want to zoom, yeah.

Yeah.

That's good.

Yeah, that's fine.

And we have it in front of us.

You guys have it?

Okay.

So the first location is at North Franklin in Willow Street.

Um, this is Brooke Schmedicke's piece called Cue's Box.

Uh Brooke has a BFA in painting and teaches classes and workshops at the Liverpool Art Center.

Um, she also has some public art experience downtown.

She's a part of our Winter Wonderland program where they paint on the uh some of the storefront windows downtown.

Um, and this was voted on by a little under 550 communities uh voters after a committee picked out these the finalists uh for this artwork.

So selected in part by the community and in part by our partners.

Um Benny was kind enough to join that um that uh committee, and then we had some local businesses, um other art organizations as well to sort of narrow down the artwork that we received.

So this is uh Brooks piece, like I said again, the cues box, and of that she said uh this is a the juice box, or rather the cues box brings a youthful and playful approach to envisioning a utility box into a reimagined everyday object.

This juice box plays on both shape and size with a fun play on words uh for Q's Pride, uh Syracuse Pride, a giant juice box offers a new perspective for all ages, making us feel as if we are little ants in the city we call home.

So that's the first one.

She also included uh included on the back part of the box a smaller sort of green you can see at the top there, um, some of the iconic uh staple foods in that that neighborhood where the box will be located.

I actually had a quick question about that.

If we could zoom in like way, because it's I can't zoom in on a piece of paper, obviously, but um on the barbecue bottle.

Yeah, I was like, is we have asked people not to include like the logos of RAF of like restaurants or cafes or businesses.

So I okay just looks like that's the dinosaur barbecue of um yeah, hard to see, but I okay.

So I think I can pass it back on to be one of those things.

It's like ambiguous enough.

I never because it so actually, full transparency.

Yes, I was part of this, so I will be abstaining from voting.

Um but yes, I do believe if it is clear enough to see and be recognizable as a logo, we would need to adjust it.

Okay.

But if it's a generic logo shape, that is, yeah.

I just want to make that, yeah.

Yeah, I can pass that on to Brooke.

Um, we're actually meeting for our uh okay, our consultation tomorrow, so I can have her make that adjustment.

So it's sort of two pieces of arc where I don't know if you want me to just keep going with uh the second one or something.

Yeah, we're gonna um do it all, we're gonna approve them together essentially.

So the second location is at Eastwater in South Warren in front of Suite Praxis for those familiar.

Um this design is called Flowers, and the artist is Soma Corker, uh Coker.

Um and she's uh less of a professional artist, more of an amateur artist, which is great to see.

That's one of the goals of the unbox program is to uplift some of our local um artists that are new to uh public art.

Um so she is a very talented painter and dedicated, but this will be her first public art install.

Um this features native plants and animals of central New York.

Um Syracuse uh and all around us.

So that is this one.

And yeah, sort of next steps um as far as the process goes on our end.

Um, the downtown committee, myself, and um our previous arts person um will meet with the artists.

We go through all of the details of the box.

Um we get permission from the city.

Obviously, um, this is the city's properties, so um the transportation folks have sent us sort of their recommendations and requirements as far as not painting over key holes in some of the things for the utility box themselves.

So we make sure to go over that with the artists.

We give them tips about how to prepare the box, um, you know, how to drape the street so sidewalk doesn't get painted, all those sorts of things.

And then we also connect them to our partners over at the art store who are fantastic when it comes to this program.

Um they'll actually meet with the artists about materials, paint, sort of coach them through that whole process um and buying, um, and then they give them a discount as well.

So that's sort of the steps we take.

And then the artist um finish the box, and we sort of do some checks back and forth, touch-ups, things like that till we get it to the point um of completion.

So that's sort of next steps after that.

Happy to answer any questions.

It looks like you have all the boxes checked here.

When do you when we think we're gonna start it up?

Um, so the artists um are we're a little behind with the meetings.

We were hopefully we're gonna do last month.

It's fine.

So um, hopefully as soon as possible.

Okay.

Uh yeah, as soon as they're ready to go, uh, we are you know, which you might have in here, and I'm sorry.

Yeah, their contract stayed end of August, but we try to be flexible again.

These are new orders.

We would be flexible because part of the reason that or you couldn't was the delay was on us, so that's one of those things is we will be flexible, obviously.

And what it's one of those things too.

We understand that timelines for artwork.

You expect it to go quicker, you expect it to go longer, and you just never know until you're actually there.

We're just worried about the snow.

So I think we have some time.

No, and that's the thing is I think maybe we do.

We we not know what, but I do believe that it the timeline shouldn't be too big of an issue given our part and your part, and I know that you have worked with us in the past.

I do have one other question, and this is maybe something the parks could help too with.

I I one of my our properties is over on Fayette Street.

We kind of had a surprise construction project that started just last month.

And I'm grateful for it and that it's happening, but it is kind of all encompassing.

Do we have any idea as to any of these areas being worked on in that time frame?

So I am a map freak.

I was a planner before taking this position.

So I actually yes, overlaid the construction work that we're anticipating, and it's not affected.

Also checked with the city, checked with Kevin Henry um operations manager, and everyone's given it to go ahead for great these.

So yes, that was a concern of ours.

So understood.

So I take it from another point.

I'm on the TNT board.

Is there anything that like I know it's supporting the arts?

Is there any way that TNT could get recognition for paying for it?

Yeah, so on all of our website, if you go to the downtown committee website, we're um actually foundation's website.

Yeah, TNT's logo is there.

There's a special thank you on all of our social media posts.

Any of our funders are always credited as you know, being supporters of the program.

So yep, that'll be included.

As as a conflict as to restrict from conflict of interest, you would also have to abstain, Lisa.

Which means we don't have quorum.

No, we can still vote.

If you two abstain, we don't you have to have six voting members available for quorum.

It's not my section, by the way.

But she is she's technically voting, but her vote is to abstain.

Because we're still voting on it, but we're I think it it's a it's a weird because we've done in the past where we've had six members and one person has abstained.

If are you not downtown teams on the downtown town?

I'm in the valley.

So it wouldn't be a conflict.

It wouldn't be a conflict.

That's only it's not my valley, it's not my valley money.

I was like, we should be fine because we still technically have six voting.

You're not on the board, correct?

I'm on the board.

I'm on the TNT board.

Yeah.

But I'm not, it's not my money.

Yeah.

No, it's allocated for the downtown money, so it's not affecting my doesn't we're still under six.

So I guess if we're talking illegal this week anyway, about some of the things then we can if there's a problem, we'll vote how we want to vote today.

And if there's a problem, we'll figure it out.

Yeah.

Because we still have six voting members here, so we have quorum.

We can do business.

And again, even if all six don't.

Correct.

Because it requires unanimity.

Yeah.

No, I'm not saying it does.

I'm saying that like because essentially it's it's a positive, negative, or neutral.

And our vote just happens to be neutral because of obvious reasons.

We're choosing to abstain in order to not you on TNT board.

I was in the review board.

I I help review, I helped so yes, I help select the artworks that that was then presented to the community to be voted on.

So I've seen these like months ago.

Sure, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, so that's what I'm saying.

Sneak makes love that.

Yeah.

That was fun.

Okay, question about the paint.

Does the art store usually recommend the same types of paint every time a box is painted, and what is that?

Uh great question.

It a lot of times depends on what colors they're wanting to use, sort of the the style, I believe, but um they definitely are it, they're all mural paints, all outdoor um compatible.

Um they're very knowledgeable, they're great.

And also seal it and anti-graffities, yeah, cool seal everything.

Sounds good.

Yeah.

Any other thoughts?

I will motion to approve.

Do I hear a second?

Sophia seconds.

Uh again, I'm abstaining.

Lisa's abstaining.

Um all in favor?

All right.

That's unanimous.

Uh all right, congratulations.

Your project has been approved.

Thank you.

I will say, just question for the motion.

Does it have to be someone else?

No, it can't be yet.

That's what I was saying.

I was gonna say that was.

Well then Sophia and Maggie.

Okay, say it.

I'll motion.

Yes.

Yeah.

A second.

Yeah.

And then say, do we have to do that?

Yeah.

And then all in favor.

Yeah, in favor.

Yes.

Yes.

Thank you.

Sorry.

Thank you.

It's a Tuesday.

All right.

Um, we will open up to discussions.

Again, I know we're running a little over.

Um, but I know we had someone from uh Northside Youth Public R.

Um, I know that you want to talk to us.

I will give you the floor.

Um I would just ask, try to keep it as brief as you can, but yeah.

Yeah.

Um I printed out clouds if you want.

Okay.

Which I I guess I would suggest if we're having a special meeting in two weeks anyway, maybe he per they present at the special meeting.

Yes, I think we can talk a little bit about this.

Yeah, what's going on?

And your name is David.

David.

Oh, I'm not gonna but yeah, if you don't mind just having a seat, tell us a little bit about what is going on.

He should be there.

Oh, yeah.

If you're not presenting on the computer, you can stand up or say whatever works best for you.

I wasn't sure whether you need me.

Um yeah, I guess I guess the issue we've been working on this all month.

Yes.

Um it would have been nice to have actually been presenting and but the the deadline for that.

I didn't even have the kids because this is a project of kids.

Well, three of us supposed to be four.

One kid didn't show up.

So I ended up doing the others.

Um and everything was going fine.

Um we were expecting to be presenting at the August 11th.

Yes.

Which isn't exist.

So there was a mistake on the application with the dates because we switched the P my PIO didn't did not catch the mistake.

She has fixed the application, but we always go, and I always suggest people go to the Syracuse Public Art website for any meeting date.

Yeah, so I guess I thought, you know, I I was on there and then and then I was looking for something else because I hadn't apparently my emails that I had sent beforehand ended up in junk folders.

So to further complicate things.

Yeah.

So I was hoping, and I I heard you say special meeting or something.

Yes.

If somehow we could be allowed to get approval around that time or even sooner, and I understand there has to be a 10-day published.

Um and if you like, I even brought the actual boxes that the kids did.

I appreciate it.

Um today's July 28th.

Yeah.

Do you want to like talk about it?

Well, yeah, because I think what's essentially, and so everybody's clear.

Um, an application was set in.

It was got lost in spam and junk.

It was sent to me via email July 17th.

Yes.

So it would have missed that was the ad that was inquiries about for August.

And I and we probably would have caught the date thing.

It's all probably you're here now.

It's all good.

We gotcha.

I so I want to clarify the Yeah, I don't know what's going on now.

The time well, because from what I understand is that the j the August 25th, which is a scheduled meeting, would not give you enough time to complete the project.

Is that what you are?

Well, the kid if it was just me, sure.

But it's it's because the kids are doing kids that kids designed three of the three of the boxes, they're taking priority, and yeah, school will be starting soon.

And they're also on uh a CNY like youth works program, and that'll be ending.

Oh, we were crunching about it.

Yeah, pretty much done by a little past the middle of August, they'd be ready.

They'd be so here's the issue.

It was sent to us um after the deadline for this meeting, because in theory, they would have ideally been in this meeting, however, it was also miscommunicated the meeting for August.

So if they were in this meeting, they would be on time to complete their project.

If they wait till the August 25th meeting, they will not complete their project in time.

We're talking about completion of a project of an app of we already approved this.

Is that all right?

No, we haven't.

We're talking about application.

And I was I was doing it on the assumption that August 11th was the meeting.

We're just talking about the application, we're not talking about the project.

Yeah, we're just talking about the application and if we are willing to, but again, partner detail is if the application timeline is going to impact the project.

Are we willing to make an exception given that we are gonna have to parts of the application are you still needing to figure out?

No, they have the application.

It's on us, it's on us.

They thought the meeting was August 11th.

So they planned for that.

So the question is if we're gonna make an exception and vote on this today.

No, if we're gonna have a special include this in our special meetings.

Oh, yeah.

Okay, that yeah, that's why it's a little bit.

Sorry, so really I'm not in the weeds.

So I'm I'm with you now.

Yeah.

No, I totally understand it is the bureaucracy of the timeline and all that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

How about who is free August 11th?

Can we figure that out just like right now?

Right now, might have to be.

I mean, we're in discussion, so we can we can discuss our availability, and then of course it'll be posted, and then hopefully this can get put on there as well as the other one.

Yeah, okay, I'm free.

I should be free on the 11th as well.

Free.

Four.

Me?

Five.

Should be okay.

So we come on.

So then we can have to do this now.

Is that we will we I guess do we need to vote to have a special meeting?

Or just announce that we haven't a special meeting.

Let's announce it.

We have to do that.

So it needs to be made.

So what we will do is we will have a special meeting on August 11th in which we will review this application.

The location TBD because we're necessarily know that the chambers are gonna be available.

So it might be in the ILAB downstairs, or is that downstairs?

It's in this building.

Okay, yeah.

It's downstairs.

I thought so, right?

Thank you.

Thank you, Saisha.

Originally, we I was gonna actually have the kids.

Yes, and we'd love to see, we'd love to have them be a part of the process too.

Because it's it's fun for us to do that.

I saw it's like last time.

Same time, 5 30.

So yeah, so what we will do is we will host a special meeting.

Um, this will allow us time to post it.

We can post it tomorrow, I think is fine.

Like um, because that'll give us at least 10 days for it to be public.

Um, and along that we will have the special meeting.

We'll figure out the logistics for the room and contact you with this is the details so that you have that all set.

So you have my email.

Well, yeah, yes, I have your email.

Yeah, yes, you got it.

Um so you're all set, you'll be able to discuss in two weeks.

Oh, great.

So is that okay with you?

So August 11.

That August 11th.

That's well, it lines up with your original.

That's that, yeah.

That that's that's again.

Sorry for the confusion.

And make sure again you just have the um the do you have that check an extra copy of that checklist?

I do not, but when we email you the confirmation, can we can send you a copy?

Just send a copy of the checklist to make sure you have everything set.

Um, I went through the checklist on the application.

Perfect the application print.

The only thing I didn't do is the only checklist there is, so yeah, it's like letter, you know, support letters, but that would have come from TNT.

They obviously showed their support.

And and hope print, which is the other majors.

All right.

Actually, they asked me to do this project and I created Northside Arts 315.

Letter of support wouldn't hurt.

Letters support wouldn't hurt.

Those are those are requirements.

So if you could include that if you can help you, if I can get one.

If you can get letters of support, I would recommend even though they're already invested.

Yes.

Okay, I wasn't sure whether they're always better to have just something in writing because it prevents the well, yeah.

I have that.

It's like, but do you actually what Sophia just said is even the initial emails that they sent you or correspondence y'all have had before would qualify as a letter of support.

Saying that it's approved, right?

Yeah.

So we might already have it and you don't even know it.

Include that too.

Yeah.

Do it.

You went three.

Yeah.

A little.

Yeah, it was a north side or yeah.

It's all the above.

Whatever you have for you, but in your office.

I know I know Eric probably sent you an approval letter from TNT for the funding.

So you can put it on all the funding.

You can put that right in there.

All the materials been purchased.

It shows that they approve it.

So yes, yeah.

We're good to do that.

On the 11th, make sure you have all that stuff.

And yeah, you're all good.

So get some approval letters.

Yeah.

And okay.

Okay.

I'll just so checklist.

Right there.

I'll make a checklist.

So letters of support.

Letters of support.

For approval.

Yeah.

Do we have someone else from the audience?

Or yes.

Um, Kevin, who's presenting?

So they're not, it's just a discussion.

Yes.

I would say I would recommend that you all present on the 11th as well.

August 11th as well, so you can present the full project.

They did they did fill out the application, they submitted it today, but it's been a project in discussion for the last couple meetings, but we had to cancel it for the Taylor Street mural.

So it's new neighborhood and business development.

Okay.

So then yes, it will be under the same thing.

Suggest to you all what we will do.

Because I'm assuming you have the application already.

Yeah, yeah.

So if you have it too to give copies.

If you want to give us the paper copies, because this will count as the official like submission and public, because we should in theory have it at the same time it's available to the public.

We can review it so that way.

And hopefully, this makes the process on the 11th streamlined because we will already have looked through it.

We will know the questions we want to ask, and it'll be straightforward.

Um, just hand us the application.

That's cool.

It's not just for it.

There you go.

See, multi-purpose.

Yeah.

Um thank you very much.

Yeah, very time with the channel.

I guess I'll show you the boxes next time.

We'll see it.

I can't wait to see it.

Yes, and I'll set.

Thank you, sir.

I do want to thank all of y'all for being flexible because again, we are volunteers, we do our best, we have jobs, and also we have other commitments.

Um, many of which in the arts and entertainment world happen at this time.

So having meetings is a struggle.

Um, so I thank you all for your flexibility on that.

Before we end, because I do have to run to pick up children.

I have two updates.

The public art coordinator position has is like this close to be approved by the county.

It goes through a county review process.

What I was told was I will have it by Friday.

That way we can get this position posted.

Yes, it's been benchmarked, meaning there's a salary range connected to it already, which is another sometimes a hurdle to get done.

So it will be posted.

It went through HR or through the county.

We'll be able to post it.

The position will still reside in parks in Syracuse Parks.

Um, the other update was remind me.

I think the commissioners, I know that we're following up on that.

So I followed up with deputy mayor today to work with she's working with the mayor and mayor's secretary to go through the applications because we have had some online submissions for our commission.

So there'll be reviewing those applications so we can fill these seats so there's no more struggle to get quorum.

Perfect.

Um, shouldn't we?

Since we have voting quorum right now, do you want to vote on a vice?

Did any did we receive any vice chair recommendations?

I didn't know.

If we have if we have, then we could.

I have not.

Okay.

Then we can maybe do something just to be cognizant of the 11th, if we could try and get those recommendations to what to session.

Perfect.

Yeah.

So yeah, I think send me some emails.

Yeah.

We know you love them.

I didn't get any.

I got chosen today.

I was I said I didn't respond directly, but I responded.

And I appreciate that, and I apologize to you because I didn't realize that they were published, so I apologize for the double ask.

Yeah, and I should have looked at it.

Sometimes you don't know.

I didn't, but I should have looked first.

I'm sorry I didn't.

I did not publish um these two applications yet because I didn't want to confuse folks.

So they'll be put up tomorrow.

Great.

Yeah, perfect.

Thank you.

Any other items for discussion or anybody else in the audience?

No.

Anyone else for discussion?

Motion to adjourn.

Somebody?

Emma.

Lisa seconds.

All in favor.

Aye.

We are adjourned.

640.

Thank you all so much for being here.

Thank you guys.