Are you ready?

Okay, welcome to the February 23rd, 2026 to the City Council work session.

Our first item is uh website design update.

Megan.

Okay.

Uh good evening, uh, Council President Pratt and members of the City Council.

It's good to see you.

Uh and Mayor Bibenick.

I saw you.

Um I am Megan George.

I'm the deputy city manager in Twalton, and I'm joined this evening by Heidi Stanley, our Creative Communications and Marketing Program Manager.

And we are here to provide an update on our website redesign project.

Um I've got a few slides, but the bulk of the presentation will be Heidi giving you a preview of our website from its staging environment.

Okay, so um you've seen a version of this slide, I think, in every time we've been before you.

Um, this project was broken down into six phases.

The first being discovery, the second being design, then website development, followed by content migration, testing and training, and the launch of the website itself.

Um phases two and three were the longest.

Um the last time we were before you was in May of 2025, and our um contractor Juice Box has been at work since then actually developing the website, and they handed us the keys in December to the staging environment.

Um so we have been uh working very diligently to try to move all of the content on our current website into that staging environment.

Um luckily we we knew we were going to reach that step, and so we asked staff to get a head start on that workload, and so they have been working for much of the past year on um updating content, rewriting content, making sure content was accurate and timely, and so we have made quite a bit of progress on the content migration phase thus far.

Um council authorized our contract with Juice Box for up to 150,000, um, and we are right around 105,000 right now, so within budget at this point, and we expect to stay within budget for the project duration.

Let's see.

Uh current tasks that we're working on includes finalizing the content migration.

Um, and you'll see much of that is already in the staging site when Heidi pulls up the preview.

Um right now we're focusing on our final integrations.

Um this is a bit technical and above my head, um, but we have a bunch of third-party software or tools that we use for various components, including um Municode or Municode meetings where your council packets are published, um, or our connection with WCCLS for the library catalog.

So we've been going one by one through those integrations to connect them to the website in the way that makes the most sense.

So a few of the ones we're still working on are the Municode meetings as well as the community pass, which we use for our recreation programs.

Uh we're also working on internal testing and a review of pages.

So as folks are loading things up, we're testing them in that staging environment to make sure that the paths uh navigate the way that we anticipated that they would, that the content looks nice on the screen and that it is all getting transferred.

And I want to shout out to our website steering committee.

So we had an interdepartmental group work on this project from the beginning, and they have been very hard at work, particularly in the last few months to get that content migrated over, and they've done a wonderful job.

So shout out to them and a shout out to everybody on staff who has participated in the website process in some part.

Um I know I've asked a group of at least 15, maybe more, to review pages that I've been working on.

So it really has been an all-hands-on-deck effort.

The future tasks that we are getting closer to day by day, um, include a structured beta testing with staff, the city council, and the community.

So, way back at the kickoff of this project, we sent out a survey and conducted focus groups with members of the community to ask what their priorities were.

At that time, we also asked for volunteers to assist with beta testing in the future.

So we have a list of folks who are interested.

We'd also like to check in with the city council and see if any of you are interested in doing beta testing with us.

That would likely be handled one-on-one, and so you could all sign up if you're interested.

Um, so I'll send an email out afterwards once we have a little bit more information about what that looks like.

Uh and then the final two pieces, which should be fairly short order, our training for internal staff.

So many of our staff have already gone through trainings.

We also have recordings of trainings available, but that will be expanding the group to everybody who will have access to the website, and then of course, launching the website.

That's the most important step, I think.

So, with that, I'm gonna turn it over to Heidi, and she's gonna flip through.

So, I'll pull that up.

Okay.

Sliding it over.

Okay.

Sorry.

All right, well, hello everyone.

I'm really excited to share this with you.

I think the last time you saw this, it was a static PDF with no fun bells and whistles and maybe still black and white.

So lots of color now.

Um, so kind of starting here at the top, you'll see this is the little announcement bar.

So anytime we have a weather event or some sort of facility closing, um, anything like that, we'll be able to call that out with an alert at the top.

Um, and we can have multiple alerts as well, which is kind of a nice new feature that we didn't have currently.

Um so I'm gonna X out of that.

And um, so I'm gonna just start uh walking you through a few things.

Um, right at the top, we have some of our commonly used items like contact us, uh, the calendar, pay utility bill, translate services, and then a search bar, and then all of the additional navigation lives here in this main navigation bar.

As we um start to scroll down, let's see if this will and actually if we could point out under government services.

Oh, yes.

Um, one of the comments that we heard from several members of the council during our discovery meetings was that uh the city council should be located under government and not communities.

You'll notice we did in fact put you under city government in the new website.

Just a silly side note, but because it came up multiple times.

Okay, so one of the biggest things that we heard from our listening sessions was that search is really important.

So, in addition to this top search bar, you have a very prominent search bar um right here, as well as some popular searches that we can customize if there are events that are happening or you know, different types of um just items that we'd like to highlight.

We can include those here for a really quick link to those items.

We'll keep scrolling down.

Some of the fun things now that you get to see are you know the hover states.

So as you hover over these images, you know where you're navigating on the page, and they highlight um those items and give you a little snippet of what you're clicking on.

And these can all be changed periodically too.

Whatever we want to make sure is really prominent at the top of the page, we can swap those things out.

Uh next, you'll see some of the little animations that um JuiceBucks created for us.

They have a little bit of movement, which I think is really engaging for folks, and another fun element are these hover states that teach you about the city, and these are peppered throughout the whole site.

So as you hover over this one, it tells you to click here for more information about the pumpkin regatta.

Next, we have the city meetings and events.

Uh, we're able to highlight a couple of featured events and we set those up on the back end.

But we can um create there's a huge calendar that will feed this system, and then we highlight uh different featured events that will pull automatically, and the city meetings will always have a big running list over here as well.

Next is city news.

So we will have our newsletter prominently featured on the landing page as well.

Um again, anything that we would like to highlight and feature, we can just tell it on the back end.

That's our feature story that we want to make sure everyone can see really quickly, and those items live here, and I'll click on one in a second to show you what those look like.

But um, other notices and updates live in this sidebar on the right.

Um, some ways to connect to our social media and sign up for our newsletter, and then you'll see another hover state about B City.

And then this is a link to our city projects page, and more custom illustrations highlighting all of the unique things about To Walleton.

And then you might recognize this fellow.

So then we get into some of the highlights for city council members.

There's lots of different ways to navigate to council information.

But this is the first on the landing page.

And some quick links over here meeting council members, vision and priorities, all of those kind of high level items.

And we can swap these out too if there are things that you'd like to highlight from a council perspective.

This is another fun section.

So we currently have this reasons to love to Walleton populated with about 20 rotating options, but you just click this little arrow and it gives you another reason to love Toaleton.

If you come up with any, let us know and we can add some more.

So you know, parks in Rec.

I think currently our site doesn't include our schools, but we wanted to make sure this was really reflecting our community.

So things like our schools and the chamber of commerce have a nice spot here as well.

And then the footer is down here.

So if you click on this, this is what a featured newsletter article would look like.

A nice big splashy image.

And then the article begins.

This is what a pull quote looks like.

And then we're able to highlight the various volunteers in their own little sections here and share the story.

You can click and share out to social media.

And down here just some more of the city newsletter articles will be highlighted.

Now, if you use this arrow, you'll hop right back up to the top of the page.

Um about Tualetin.

I think this really highlights the city quite well.

As you're scrolling down, you will see this really great scrolling photo bar.

Um then all of our facts and figures and items from our city profile.

So if you click here, um, this will change the information over on the right.

And it's kind of hard to see on this the way the screen is right now, but um lots of different information from our city profile and another call out to the B over here.

And like I said, these are kind of just peppered throughout the whole site.

Um here's a spot where you'll download the city profile, and we have a factoid bar, so we can swap these out at any time.

Yeah, we need to update that.

I think last year when we uh we started all the information, it was a little bit different.

Um so then uh this is another lovely illustration they created for us with lots of different uh little info uh bars where you can click and learn all sorts of things about the city.

And then again, um we've got uh Mayor Bubenick here, and then everyone from council, and then uh some things like job opportunities, the directory, contacting the city.

Um I'm gonna hop back up to the top again, and we're going to take a peek at the building page.

Um, this one's a little different.

This is more uh really kind of the nuts and bolts of what community members are gonna be coming to the site for.

So, really quick ways to click on things like permits, inspections, um, get all of those forms that they need really quickly.

Uh we there's some really fun um little facts that our team added one percent of cats greet our inspectors warmly.

Uh so we're we're trying to create this what you know welcoming, friendly, reflective of the city uh environment for our community members, and I think I think that our team did a really great job of doing that.

Um permits has the big section, and and can uh you can get to the permit section from a few different spots on the site.

And then we have um at the bottom of a lot of pages we have these related uh cards that are really helpful tools for community members.

Um you can add as many as you want.

Uh let's see.

And then on a lot of pages, you'll also notice uh contact cards.

So it will give the information of address, phone, easy ways to contact the city.

Um I'm going to hop up to the top.

We're going to take a peek again at so under government services.

We'll go over to the city council pages.

And this page has a sidebar.

Some pages have sidebars, some are full width.

This is a sidebar page.

Uh if you scroll down, this um upcoming meetings will auto-populate with all of the upcoming city council meetings.

We have our vision and priorities prominently featured, and then a scrolling list of all of our council members.

And then another you'll see this throughout the site related pages.

So, really quick ways to navigate to things that should be important to you on this page.

So getting all of your council meeting information, um, things about elections.

I'm gonna pop back up here and show you really quickly boards and committees from this sidebar.

So when you see the plus sign, this is this accordion's down, and you can see the full list of all of our boards and committees.

And we'll click on one just so you can take a peek.

Um, so the architectural review board, each each uh boarding committee has its own page.

It will let you know if applications are open or closed, and then information like board members, staff contacts, um, so people can really easily get in touch with us.

And then this will also auto-populate with any board and committee meeting that is associated with that board and committee.

Um you go back to the contact your elected officials.

Um it was a if you just go back, maybe I I wanted to point out that it's not just the city council, that it's um it was on the key.

Yeah, all the way down.

I think it was um anyway.

They it includes um like county officials and um, yeah, city, county, yeah, and all the way up, which I think is a is a great resource.

Perfect.

Okay, um, I think now I'm going to show you our parks and rec landing page.

And uh one thing you'll notice about Parks and Rec, um, the police department and the library, they have their own landing pages because they have so much robust information, and uh we wanted to make sure they were getting as much exposure and and so many so many search options for those pages as well.

So um those three you'll notice that it looks a little bit different, um, but they have really great features here on the landing page.

So spots for updates and announcements, their newsletter contact information right up here at the top, and then similar to our home page for the main city site, um, they've got these blocks that they'll be able to customize and swap out anytime there's a new event or um you know something from JPC that they'd like to feature, rentals for facilities, um, and then we have Blender Dash coming up, so it's got this nice big feature, really prominent, easy to register.

Um, and then this nice scrolling bar.

Um, so if you click here, it will add it will just kind of walk you through other options, and they can add as many of those cards as they'd like as well.

Um this is also prominent, I believe, on the library landing page.

Um another nice illustration, easy ways to sign up for their newsletter, and then um as mentioned before, anytime they want to have kind of related pages, they can feature those down towards the bottom of the page.

Um, and then you'll notice too on those three pages, they've got their own uh footer, so that it's really easy to get in touch with them as well.

Um, and then to navigate back, we just click right here and we'll be back to the landing page of the city site, and then we'll take a peek at the library really quickly.

So again, um slightly different than some of the other pages you've seen, but really prominent.

They wanted search to be super prominent on their landing page, super quick access to things like the digital catalog, location and hours, their about page, um again, uh slightly different navigation up here as well.

So things that we want to be able to get to super fast, um, the library catalog, their calendar, location and hours, um, and then their navigation.

Um, and then here, let's go over here and keep scrolling down.

So we've got get a library card.

These these cards are so handy.

Really quick ways for people to be able to navigate to items that are their most used items.

So reserving rooms and volunteering, using the makerspace, subscribing to the newsletter.

This is a feature where they can add anything that's coming up.

So us preset the library event, or if they have a uh event that they'd like to highlight, they can put it here.

And then again, those related pages that have this little scroll through.

Some more custom illustrations.

And you may have all seen the van that now also has these custom illustrations.

So we've got some brand continuity, which I think is going to be really fantastic for the city.

And then some additional supporting pages.

And their custom footer as well.

I think those are the main pages we were gonna walk you through today.

Is there anything that you would like to me to click on?

Any questions or comments?

Counselor Brooks.

Thanks for all the work.

It looks great.

Um I'm curious about the boring stuff, which is like finding the minutes and the council and can we search by topic.

Sure.

So the Municode meetings integration is one of the ones I mentioned that we're still working on.

So we're not exactly sure how that's going to display on the website.

Ideally, it's integrated directly into the calendar, and there's a similar type of page to what we have currently organized by date.

Um if that does not work, uh then we'll use an iframe or a what's the other word for it?

Embed.

It'll embed into the page itself and it'll pull directly from Unicode meetings and then provide that functionality.

Um so ideally um it will feel integrated into the website in a way that's similar to what we have now.

Um in terms of the search, uh, you will be able to search by meeting date.

Um topics, I I'm not positive, but I believe it depends on whether the PDF is searchable or not, which will depend on the way that the PDF is set up.

Um and so that piece is a little tricky, and it has to do with um there's new website accessibility guidelines that we will be required to be in compliance with in the next couple years, I think.

Um, and so moving that direction, but the um Unicode meeting software that we currently use, I don't think is compliant, but their new version that they're working towards but is not yet launched would be compliant.

Okay, thank you.

And then I have another question, sorry about the committees.

Do our regional committees show up somewhere as well?

They do not currently.

Um so the committees that are listed in that lineup on the boards and committee page are only the boards and committees that are city boards and committees.

And at this point, we included both those that are appointed by city council and official advisory committees, but also those that kind of look and feel like advisory committees, but aren't technically advisory committees, just for the user experience, um, so that they had an understanding of where those were all grouped.

Um for where the list of regional boards and committees, one idea that we've been toying with is to include it as part of your bios on that page and looking at some of the other pages for councils and boards, um, that's typically where I've seen it as opposed to a separate list.

Um we did not include it as a separate list thus far, mostly because the audience for that in that format is fairly limited.

It would be members of the council and members of staff.

Um, but including it as part of your bios might make more sense from a general user perspective.

So that's one idea.

Cool.

Thank you very much.

Appreciate it.

And I'll I will note we we do have an internal list that we've kept of all of the regional boards and committees that council is assigned to with contact information and meeting dates for the point in time when you all revisit that in the beginning of the year.

Counselor Gonzalez.

Uh thank you.

It looks great to me.

I didn't see anything on the language interface if there's gonna be different languages.

You want to have that sure right here.

So translate, and then you can switch to any options.

Wow.

It's pretty flawless.

Seamless.

And I'll add, so we um looked at different plugins for the website in different languages and ultimately decided on Google Translate, which um historically has been kind of meh, but has gotten quite a bit better as um AI has gotten quite a bit better.

And so our web developer felt that it was the industry standard for websites right now, plus it gave us the ability to translate into a lot of other languages in addition to Spanish.

Um one of the things that we have done on our current website is manually translate pages that we wanted to make sure were 100% accurate.

And so we've looked at doing some of that on the current website as well.

But because of the accuracy of Google Translate right now, we felt it hasn't been necessary.

Wonderful.

Thank you very much.

Yeah.

Any other questions or comments?

Okay, I guess I have a couple.

This looks great, by the way.

Except for I have to say it'd be much more believable to have a dog on a pumpkin in a lake than a cat.

Yeah, noted.

We could budget for future illustrations.

What counselor Brooks said, I if we could get to it, it'd be it'd be great if in the code and the agendas we could do a word search and because I know for us sometimes you want to we revisit something and it'd be nice if you could just type in like punk and regatta or whatever it is, and it would go right to that agenda instead of going, well, I think we talked about it, you know.

So that um and then I wondered if someone like um maybe we could go through this in the samples later, but like if someone say they wanted to know if I put a shut up, do I have to get a permit?

And what are the um you know their setbacks and everything, like how easy would it be to find that?

Could they just type it in the search bar and get to the details?

Theoretically, yeah.

Um so if they if they type in um certain keywords that are included on pages in the website, it should show up, and the pages that show up are prioritized, I think based on number of hits and number of times the keyword appears and other um data like that.

Um permit applications will still be in track it, which is a separate software which is not fully integrated into this website.

We link out to it.

Okay, um, but staff have put together some helpful pages and to orient people to how to navigate that system and commonly asked questions about different types of permit, and then highlighting contact information for staff on those pages is also something we've concluded.

And then my last thing is that page where you had different um like you had the road or no, you didn't have the rotary, you had the chamber and those other groups.

I'm wondering if it would be appropriate to put cert on there.

Um we are what the criteria was, I'm not sure if it is or not.

It's towards the bottom of our home page.

Um, so this section.

Yeah.

Um we also have cert listed on our emergency preparedness pages.

Okay, and it links directly to their website from there.

Okay, well, great.

This looks wonderful, and it's pretty exciting to finally see it.

Yes coming to fruition.

Awesome.

Well, we will um send you an email asking for volunteers for beta testing, uh, and then we'll be back when it is time to launch.

Great.

Great.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Okay.

Next we have a um discussion about consideration of next steps for the um business honey bucket.

I think Aquila.

You know, I'm just not as exciting as Heidi and Megan.

I didn't bring any cartoons.

I don't have a van.

Maybe you'll see that as an ad package.

I don't know.

Um, uh thank you.

Um Mayor and Council President Pratt and counselors.

And I am here with it's a bit of an unusual request.

I don't think I've uh had a work session like this before.

And so anyway, but we'll we'll get through it.

Um so tonight, oh, here we go.

Okay, thanks.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, very well.

Okay.

So uh we're gonna talk a little bit about um honey bucket.

Um, and I'll give you a little bit of some high-level background and the current status update.

And then the ultimate question is if the council wishes to allow um Honey Bucket to initiate a planned text amendment.

And that's the part that's a little bit unusual.

When we changed our code, I don't remember when I'm gonna say six or seven years ago.

Um, I think we put some very specific language in the code that said um basically only council it may maybe staff as well, but is council initiates the text amendments, the changes to the language itself.

And that's because it's a it's a policy for the entire city, and so there was a thought that that um kind of legislative amendment should be limited to a council in this initiation.

So that is why the question is before you tonight.

Let's see.

Okay.

So a little bit of background then.

So the city, at least community development, I think, first became aware of Honey Bucket operating in October of 2024.

There was a code enforcement investigation, but that investigation was cleared up basically.

There was CWS Clean Water Services and our code enforcement looked into it, and there was no violation after looking into it.

But they did find that there was some lack of building permits, and then the zoning became an issue.

And I believe since then they the owners have applied for building permits, but the zoning is still a question.

So they submitted for a formal interpretation request in June.

And that was after we we did have a lot of back and forth discussions between the time of October and June and just kind of trying to figure out a path forward, and ultimately we landed on this formal request for an interpretation.

And our code requires us to review that request and issue a decision within 30 days.

So we did that, and that decision found that the honeybucket business fit the category of solid waste treatment and recycling, which isn't allowed in light manufacturing, which is where the business is currently located.

And I'm sure you are all here.

You remember that the applicant appealed that decision, and so we held a public hearing, and the council basically upheld the uh the staff decision.

So where we're at now, um we continued working with um the business and their council, and we developed this voluntary compliance agreement.

And Kevin, do you want to I'm gonna let Kevin speak to that a little bit just because it's more legally?

Sure, thank you, Aquila.

Council President, members of council, Kevin Connell, city attorney.

Uh, there is a voluntary compliance agreement in place, and that is allowed.

That's actually one of the uh adopted procedures for chapter 7.1 or civil infraction procedure.

And the reason the city chose that path instead of just uh the other path is to cite a uh someone for an infraction, have that go to the municipal court and have the municipal court process that citation in accordance with our code is to do this.

And it essentially we are holding these this matter in abeyance until we had this meeting here, engaging the council's interest to see if there was any way that Honey Bucket, there was a pathway that you could see forward for Honeybucket to stay at the location that they are.

So if the if there's some general consensus tonight that no, we don't see a way after our interpretation decision for Honey Bucket to stay on the property, then we will uh per this voluntary compliance agreement.

Uh if honey bucket does not leave that location, citations will be issued.

Those can be issued daily at a thousand dollars per day for the underlying violations of uh operating in a uh uh a non-permitted use at this location.

Uh if there is going to be uh some sort of land use application that could come before the city council at some point in the future.

There's no there's no clear objection to that.

Uh this matter will be held in abeyance until that process makes its way to the city council for further review.

So that's what this voluntary compliance agreement does.

It holds things in place until we get some clear direction from council on how to proceed next.

Okay, thank you, Kevin.

Um, just a little bit about the light manufacturing district.

It it's created to be a buffer, and I have a map in the next slide, but I'll kind of talk through this a little bit.

It's supposed to be a buffer between our heavier industrial uses and residential areas, and it also buffers commercial areas as well.

Um it's intended for uses that are industrial in nature but uh don't contain any hazardous or adverse operations.

Um essentially light manufacturing is the assembly, fabrication, or processing of goods and materials using processes that ordinarily do not create noise, smoke, fumes, odors, glare, or health and safety hazards outside of the building or lot where the activity takes place.

For us is we've focused a lot in my time here is keeping uses indoors as much as possible or screened in.

And so one of the stipulations in light manufacturing is that uses have to be conducted whole completely enclosed, except for there's a few exceptions there.

So a couple of examples of light manufacturing, food beverage related processing and packaging, research and development, and then some of the conditional uses that are allowed in light manufacturing, making things like bikes, small electronic generators, motors, or fabrication of metals and metal products.

And so I guess just for reference, well, here, maybe this is helpful.

Okay.

So these are all of our light manufacturing districts.

I tried to outline them in black to make them stand out a little bit more.

So if you kind of to me, like a good example is thinking about Avery between kind of Boone's ferry to where it curves around, like that stuff on the north side of Avery.

That's all light manufacturing.

The area that's it's kind of in transition, but the area that's behind Dutch Brothers is actually all zoned light manufacturing.

I put a little star up there so you know where we are.

That marks where we yeah, we are here, should have said.

So and then you can see with those areas that they are kind of a buffer between some residential up in the northern part where we call it the antler, there's a buffer between kind of uh commercial area.

So that that's really the intent of what light manufacturing does.

Okay.

Um if there is a desire or yeah, I'll I'll say it like that.

If if there's an openness to any code modification, these are some of the areas in light manufacturing that would be changed.

So we'd be looking at modifying the solid waste treatment and recycling use category, and then the wholesale sales category.

Um we'd need to work through like kind of the specifics of the language, but though those are the two areas that we analyzed in the staff interpretation.

So those are the two areas we'd modify.

Okay, and so um conditional use permit.

The reason why this is in here is that in that voluntary compliance agreement, there's kind of three gates, I'll call it.

The first gate is we're here tonight to see if you're um open to any kind of uh text amendment.

The second gate then would that actually be going through the process of changing the language.

And then if that's successful, then the third piece of that would be looking at uh would be going through a conditional use permit process.

Um I will be very transparent.

That was that was my um initiative to suggest this as a conditional use permit.

Um, and part of the reason for that is that it's it's actually listed as a conditional use permit right now in general manufacturing.

And because of the zones that light manufacturing buffers that we just kind of went through, uh this it conditional use permits is a way to evaluate any impacts on surrounding neighbors or uses.

Sometimes when I say neighbors, I think of like a house, but it's not always a house.

Whoever, whatever the surrounding zone and use is, it's a way to evaluate any impacts and how to mitigate for those.

That's what conditional use permit allows for.

Um it allow uh conditional use permit is uh set of procedures and standards that we would look at.

It's for looking at unique characteristics, locational features, design size, operations, uh, circulation.

That's kind of a big one is the traffic circulation with conditional uses, and then if there's a public interest or service that it provides.

Um then we're really looking at how those things are interacting with the the neighboring properties.

Uh a conditional use permit is a type three review by the planning commission.

Um it could they they make the final decision, but it's appealable, I believe, to city council if it got appealed.

Um I'll leave that one there.

And okay.

So this is then the action that we're asking tonight.

Um so as I described in the beginning, these legislative actions can only be initiated by the city council.

And like I was saying, that's because they're policy decisions that are citywide and can have an impact on the community as a whole.

And so then the question is if the council wishes to allow Honey Bucket to pursue a text amendment to allow solid waste and recycling facilities as a conditional use permit in light manufacturing.

And that that's all I've got for a presentation.

Um I am happy to answer any questions.

Um just for your knowledge, the um business owner is or representative at least from the businesses here.

I know you don't normally take comment during uh work session, but I just wanted you to be aware of that.

Any questions or comments?

I I do have a comment though, so thank you for the cover.

My apologized.

Thank you for that.

Um I do like what's situated for a light situation because it's I'm a quarter of a mile away from the nearest resident.

It's kind of tucked away in this corner.

So it seems like it would be an appropriate amendment, but again, I'm not saying the rule going forward, but it it's if there was going to be such a case we made it in the right location, in accordance with what other businesses are around.

The homes are 0.38 miles away as the closest home.

So but I would have some questions for the owners when the time comes for them.

If if this is the time, or we can wait for a little bit later.

I don't believe that the owners will be speaking.

We're in a work session.

May I clarify your comment?

So it I I guess I just want to make sure I understand.

So are you are you um saying that where they're currently located right now feels like an appropriate location?

Yes.

Okay.

Okay, thank you.

Counselor Brooks.

Um I think my first question is when if we were gonna do this, um, does it affect any other applicant for uh different use for that area?

It does it affect any other applicant.

Does it mean that for conditional use permit that any after we would change that policy that the policy would open up to in all those um buffer areas for any business that fits that conditional use?

Yes, yes, that's useful.

So it's not really about the one area, it's about the whole area that goes next to the wildlife, the homes, and the other uh businesses that didn't anticipate that kind of use near them.

Correct.

Correct.

It would be, yeah, so that and yes.

Okay.

So I I myself am not, I feel like we made this decision and that we were really generous in how we handled everything, and that this feels like um a very strange uh work session for me, and I'm not interested in opening that conversation up.

I think that planning has a lot to do right now.

Thanks.

Did you have a question?

Oh, Councillor Hillier.

Thank you.

Council President Pratt.

Okay.

So um when I was looking through all this, I I um think about the many things that have been brought before council here lately, and the engagement of our community around noise, around smell, around appropriate things that the community feels, and that is our responsibility as a council to make decisions on for the good of the whole.

So it's hard for me to say, you know, kind of a black and white sort of thing.

But I do feel like it is the job of our council to think forward in these other buffer areas.

And in speaking to and so my initial conversation in my head was, you know, no, we've dealt with it.

However, I've had a couple conversations with the legal beagles in my life, and it's been brought to my attention that there is oftentimes a solution that can be found that could not a hundred percent exclude this type of business for a conditional use in other spaces within light manufacturing, but could really tailor it to only this space.

And so I guess my question is maybe more um a legal question, and and maybe I've been um maybe I'm misunderstanding because you know I haven't been to three years of law school and don't know, but I wonder is that an option, and if that is an option that could potentially be limited to this one location, is that something?

So th those are my thoughts.

Okay.

I I can respond a little bit if that's okay.

Um so uh generally broadly, we couldn't necessarily I don't think maybe I'd have to go back and do some research, but I don't think we could say like this conditional use is only allowed on this particular spot.

But we do have in our code in the light manufacturing already some uh restrictions, I'll call them around um conditional uses.

And so one of them that would be applicable, so it's called special I'm sorry, spacing requirement for conditional uses, and where we talk about that conditional uses must not be located closer than 300 feet to any residential planning district.

Um of course that doesn't apply to schools or transportation facilities, and it talks about um how to measure that, and then it um talks about modification to existing uses, and so then those modifications couldn't be any closer to residential districts either.

So we have a little bit of spacing standards at least already kind of baked into um our existing code.

So that would be a way to kind of tailor it, you know.

So if you think about I guess I keep going back to the example of Avery and even on 105th.

There, let me can I bring the map back up.

But those uses or those spaces um probably thank you.

Yeah, sure.

Oh, okay.

So there are some places where it wouldn't meet meet the standard.

The light manufacturing that's up in like up behind safe way, that probably would meet this meet the spacing standard.

So that's kind of a roundabout way to answer your question.

So I so thank you, and I wonder if the spacing is increased to first off add schools and the other businesses that you I can't remember what else you named schools and something else, if it were to add that and to increase the space from 300 to 450 feet or something, or add some sort of thing and have a massive fine if you violate it, or so I mean, uh what kind of protective measures could potentially well like can that be baked in or no for for anything, because I think already you said the process of goods and materials not including hazardous materials, or was that in general manufacturing?

Yeah, not it shouldn't include should not include okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And this is obviously no offense, hazardous material, right?

So we could so we could go back and look at um spacing and spacing requirements that would kind of make it more um suitable for certain areas.

But yeah, so there is a way, I guess in short, to answer your question, there is a way to look at how to how do we make it work in some places where we know it's not gonna work in other places.

I still not still not sure that I'm there that I want to move forward with that, but I would um because and the big and a lot of the reason is I know that staff time is extremely limited and focused on a lot of other things, and I think that we you know had our advance, and this wasn't necessarily part of that plan, and I don't know how long the stay or I'm apologize with the other word what the abandons.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that you got it.

Um so I guess I I I'm not really sure, but I see that there is a path forward potentially, but I see it next to you know, residential and if schools are even, I you know, I feel like that could be close to a school in one of the areas, and that's a big old fat no for me, right?

Near Basalt Creek potentially and around, so I think I think I might land on, I'm sorry, but no.

Anyone else?

Um, I guess I'll go.

Okay.

Um my first question is when we discussed this before, um it was discovered that they have a tank where they're dumping these temporarily dumping the um part of potty waste, I guess I'll call it.

And um I I thought we um had said, well, if you remove that tank, we might consider it, but has that tank been removed?

Because if that tank hasn't been removed, I don't see that anything's been done to change my mind.

And then my next question is like I think I I know the answer to this, but I you know, and I just work in the city of Portland, but it isn't light manufacturing pretty ubiquitous as a zone that is a buffer zone between commercial and residential, so only certain things are permitted.

Is that pretty universal?

I think that's pretty typical.

Yeah, so um I'm just I'm I'm kind of I don't know what happened, but I'm surprised that a company of this size or 22 million dollars would not know that and even came in here.

I don't know how that happened, but um I I think there's a reason for that.

There's property next to it, it's a mess now, but I mean that can affect that properties value in the future when they you know landed next to light manufacturing, and I just think um there's too much risk in other areas that um unfortunately I don't I just don't see this change going forward.

Um counter Riaz?

Thank you.

Can you explain again conditional permit?

Um I think it'll be in a simple way.

I think that that will be um useful for many people that are maybe listening to this and they might come back to us and say misunderstand what conditional permit meant means.

Sure, yeah.

So generally the way like zoning um land uses are constructed is you have things that are permitted.

Like if you think about it in like a tiers, I guess you have things that are just we call it outright permitted.

Um so if a use is outright permitted, great.

Go get a building permit, build your gas station in this commercial area that says gas stations are allowed, no problem.

Um the next tier is the conditional use permit, and though those are for things that are like, well, I don't know if a gas station is really a great use for this site.

We need to evaluate it, and we need to see if there's gonna be traffic impacts or is are there other I don't know, noise factors affecting the nearby residential uses, and so that requires a public hearing, and it'll go in our case and in a lot of cities' cases the conditional use permits go through the planning commission, and they look through a set of criteria and say, does this meet these criteria?

And they have to use their discretion, right?

So another way to think about it is outright permitted uses.

There's not really any discretion.

You all and your predecessors decided this is a good use for this area.

And conditional use permits, we've said, okay, the planning commission needs to use some discretion and decide like is this a good fit?

I don't know.

And if they decide yes, um, then the conditional use permit gets approved and kind of end of story, it you know, the gas station in that particular zone can live on forever, basically.

Um and then the last tier of uses is just like prohibited, right?

Like, nope, you can't do that.

So conditional is it is just a middle way to say we don't know if that works here or not.

We're gonna take a look at it.

The the kind of um challenge with that is that typically if the applicant can show they meet all the criteria that the conditional use permit has, and even if they don't quite meet it all, then we condition it, right?

We say you have to make some changes to meet the criteria.

There's not, I don't think I've seen many times, if any, when a conditional use permit has been denied.

It's either you meet you know, you meet the criteria, if not, we're gonna ask you to make some changes to meet it, and then you uh typically get approved.

So I don't know if was that perfectly clear, thank you.

Okay.

I'm wondering, um, and honey bucket has not gone through that criteria of being seen by a planning commission, right?

Yeah.

Right, because it's not an option at this point.

So that's what we would change the code to allow is to say like this is your option, but right now in light manufacturing, it's just not an allowed use.

Not allowed at all.

So it's like on the that from the tiers, it's like the no at all.

Yeah.

But if we decide to maybe have the planning commissioning commissioner to see this, and then have them help us make a decision.

Is that a possible?

Um so yes, so if if well, okay.

A couple other things.

So if they if you all feel like, okay, yeah, we could look at changing the code and look at doing it as a conditional use permit.

First of all, a uh plan text amendment will go through the planning commission, they'll review it.

Um you're gonna see see one coming up.

You've seen the number this year already, and you'll see one coming up in March.

But um, so they'll give you a recommendation and then you would make an ultimate decision on the the code change itself.

Um if that all is successful, then the conditional use permit would just go directly to them.

It wouldn't be issued, it would be like a third there's another step, another step.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

I kind of um like the idea of having more eyes and ears reviewing this.

That's my take.

Mayor Bubenick.

Uh thank you, Chair.

Um just a few questions, uh Quilla.

So on the conditional use permit, um, I was tracking with councillor Hillier's thoughts and an agreement with those that it could be possible to come up with a conditional use restrictions so that uh it would be highly unlikely that another business of this type could locate in light manufacturing.

Is that that sounded like it could be done?

Is that something that's possible?

Um yes, um yes, it is possible.

I think what we'd want to look at is what what are we trying to achieve?

And so if the main thing that we're trying to achieve is to not have uh a solid waste facility, um which would be kind of you know broadly applied to other uses, but if our main goal is to not have it um close to um residential areas, then we could look at tailoring the code.

Okay, tailoring the restrictions that way.

Um and then on while if council was supportive of going down that route and having staff look at tailoring that conditional use, how long is this voluntary compliance agreement in effect for?

Can if this takes a while, is there are we under a time restriction in any way?

Uh thank you, Mayor.

And the the short answer is no.

We have all the time that we need under that voluntary compliance agreement uh to go through whatever process the city needs to go through uh in regards to honey bucket.

All right, thank you.

And my last one, when uh I was chatting with the city manager on Friday, and I know she's confirmed, uh conferred with you.

I know right down the road is Schultz Clean Water Services or whatever their name is now, but they have the advantage if they're in a general manufacturing zone.

So the property that's south of Honey Bucket, which I believe is a landscaping company, they would also have to agree, I guess, to be put inside a uh general manufacturing.

What would be the impact to that?

And you might not be able to answer that tonight.

You know, if we went down that tact or city council thought, okay, uh rather than dealing with this light manufacturing, if there's a way that we could just extend the man the general manufacturing zone, you know, basically two lots north.

Uh so that includes honey bucket and a landscaping company.

I heard you mention that the this kind of uh type of business is also conditional use in general manufacturing.

So is Schultz under a conditional use.

You know, I don't know that for sure.

I didn't I didn't actually look at that, but when I was looking at the general manufacturing um zone, it um I saw that the the solid waste facilities are also uh conditional use conditionally permitted there.

So they they may have a conditional use.

They uh a conditional use permit will run with the land.

So if it was obtained in 1985, it's and they never stopped operating, it would still be good.

So I can go back and check that now.

And so for the piece of property that's between them and the zone, which I think again, I think is a uh landscaping company.

It what would be the impact if we approach them?

I mean, what I don't want to make this I'm trying to make an ideal solution here that we don't have to mess with light manufacturing, but which is the lesser of two evils or work, uh changing the zoning for those two lots and having those two property owners um if they're both amenable, uh proceed with that, or is just sticking with the light manufacturing easier on staff um I think I'd need to do a little bit of background research.

Um so in our code, if so this this is what I can answer, but in our code, if a property a property owner can initiate um a zone change, right?

And so it would come before you it would think still start with planning commission, come before you as a quasi-judicial review, so there would be a public hearing.

Um so that would that kind of takes some of the puts most of the onus on the applicant, right, to show how they meet the criteria.

Um it won't affect the rest of light manufacturing.

Um so if it's just the honey bucket property, and I know this this is not quite what you were asking.

I think you were getting at this whole kind of concept of like spot zoning.

Exactly.

It'd be weird to have just this little island of general manufacturing that's not part of the bigger zone.

So ideally there, you know, that property to the south would also have the same uh zone.

Right.

But what I'm not sure about because I don't remember, is if the city can just do that, just rezone something.

Um or we what we could also go back and do is talk with the honey bucket um business owners and see if they'd be willing to approach the the other property owners.

I mean that that's what I would suggest or floating idea to my fellow counselors.

Uh I know it sounds like several of you are very nervous about changing you know the light manufacturing.

Um is this something you would support doing a little homework on about you know extending that general manufacturing zone north by you know to the to those two those two lots if the property owners are meanable.

That's my floating it out to my fellow counselors.

Counselor Gonzalez and Councillor Brux.

Okay.

So um I I did bring bring some satellite images I'd like to share first before we continue, because I believe it's gonna shed some light.

Um if you could bring those up, please.

So I think the business has been around since 2024 sometime, is that correct?

Okay.

And my curiosity, because we you know, my company, it's a large landcomb company, and before we moved into that piece of land, we had to do extensive soil testing first as a baseline to make sure that after we were done with it, we didn't affect the history of that piece of land.

So there's probably like five slides, and I put dates on it just to give you guys an example of I what I do see consistency is running water off, like a wash-off station that's running down.

And so I wanted to share this with you you all.

I don't know if it'll help or change, but you see the water in the middle right there.

I believe maybe I don't know what's there, maybe it's those tanks you're talking about.

So that's April of 16th of 2024.

Okay.

And then if you go to the next slide, that's July 3rd of 2024.

You see that same water, and then you move to the next slide.

February 27th, it's rainy season, so you don't really see it now.

It's kind of like now, but you do see it's dark around that same general area, and then you move on again to the next slide.

August 7th, you see that same water sludge running.

I don't know, I call it like I don't know what it is.

It's just water, of course, of a wash out, and then you go again next slide.

And then a new one, the same consistent water flow, but then there's a one to the left as well.

So if we're gonna consider um making some adjustments or making sure the things are done to our agreeable standards, we'd like to understand what what that is, because I was under the understanding that there wasn't really a washout bay that was going into the soil.

And but I see that happening consistently since the very beginning.

Um I was just curious of what what what that was and if that could be addressed, because the landscape company below them also houses debris, you know, and debris smells really bad.

It's almost mimicking you know human waste.

And I don't know any what kind of conditional permit they may have.

But I saw the all that is running towards that direction.

Um I was just curious of sharing information more with the council as we consider you know what the next steps are.

That is a landscape company, Sierra Landscape.

No, no, I was just saying that the water is flowing to the landscape company, which is the company that the it's right below them, uh is the landscape company's call.

Council President, uh and maybe just to assist the council.

I uh you you are correct during work sessions.

Generally, we do not hear take public comment.

Uh but honey bucket is here.

You I think it is within your authority.

If you there are questions that you may have that only Honey Bucket can answer tonight.

Okay.

Uh you can certainly obtain those answers from Honey Bucket, but you we would not engage in a substantive argument or testimony tonight with Honey Bucket.

But we can address questions, have them come up.

I I would be glad to have them come up for question to address questions.

Can we do that now?

Oh no, you could stay up there.

Just for explanatory turn the mic on.

This is honey bucket.

But I don't know where it is on this picture.

I'm confused.

Thank you.

Can you state the direct uh name's Jason Perry?

I'm the COO of Northwest Cascade DBA honey bucket.

Uh and I'm a Teo Crow counsel uh with Honey Bucket.

Okay.

Well first, could you explain what part of that picture is your property?

Um I'm throwing it.

You can see the white uh tops, those are the tops of units that are prepped and ready to leave the yards that are stockpiled there.

Okay.

Um and so if you want, I can answer what the two water spots are.

Exactly.

Yes.

Um so the one on the left is where we fill our trucks of fresh water.

And so they're vented so that they're not under pressure.

And so when the truck gets full, it fountains, so it's like a fountain, so it's just fresh water.

And the second one that's in all of them, that's when we move the units from the wash bay to the pre uh clean line that are now loaded to the trucks to leave, is just the water running off of them.

Is it's just we wash between 40 and 80 units in an eight-hour period, and we all just pressure wash the outsides and the roofs and the roofs have eaves on them, so when you tilt them to move them, they just drain out as you go.

It's fresh water.

And you're just there's no solvent or anything.

So is there soap or anything or is it just water?

Uh the soap would be only used on the like the inside walls, and that's all in the recycle system.

That's all inside the building.

Okay, great.

Uh most of the operation, I'd say 95% of the operation is inside the building.

The only thing that you have that's outside is when the trucks load the clean units in the morning and leave.

Okay.

Um any other clarifying questions.

Council president, I believe you had a question about a tank earlier.

Oh yeah, the the tank that we talked about last time.

It was gone two days after last time we met.

So that tank is gone.

That is gone.

We now dump directly at CWS.

So okay.

There is actually no sewage that goes to the site anymore at all.

Okay so those when you pick up those porta potties what happens?

So how it works is our trucks are like a giant shop back.

So we roll up to the unit uh we turn our pump on it creates the vacuum we pump it out it goes into the waste tank so each truck carries solid waste or um liquid waste excuse me and fresh water because we use the fresh water to clean them when we're on sites and whatnot.

So like we do it hood to coast yeah exactly so once once we're done with our route our tank is full we've used all of our fresh water now full of sewage we go to CWS we dump out bring the bring an empty truck back to the yard.

Okay that's really helpful.

Counselor Brooks I don't have question I have a just a com the um part two Aquila so when we originally looked at this my issue is I'll just be really clear I think that um when we have these conditional uses it goes through a series of check marks once we start pushing these um boundaries that protect the community and other businesses from toxic materials um a lot more eyes can look on it but they have to make those check marks check if they fall into the category and we've seen this many times where um our mayor and myself and a lot of others have had consternation about local control because of the issues that people feel really strongly about here.

Here the community feels really strongly about the environment the feel the community feels really strongly about the quality of living and the community feels really strongly about local control and supporting businesses.

This is like something that's coming from outside the council not something that the council's directing to push forward an agenda that I don't know serves not only the inhabitants of the housing their neighbors of the businesses but the wildlife that lives right in those wetlands which we've not talked about at all and there's less and less protections for as the minutes go by right now.

So I'm just wondering like do we want to help push forward a lack of protection health and safety and pollution protection for our community I'm not interested in doing that.

I do think though if there's not any solid waste going through and the condition has changed since we looked at it I don't know the category of it right so it almost feels like we're in a different position than we were when we made the decision but I will say putting us in this position when there's an illegal tank illegal activities and a big company and then coming to us like we're some kind of bad guys for businesses if we don't like do this pressure thing that's going on right now I feel highly uncomfortable about it.

And I just don't know how our residents would feel about it.

This I don't like I think if we're going to open up a buffer and have that be a thing that we're going to chip away at that we should be having community outreach about it and I just I don't see our staff being able to do that so how it's going in this conversation tonight makes me highly uncomfortable I'm sorry.

Okay.

Are are there any more questions for these two gentlemen?

Okay you can be excused.

Thank you.

Thanks I do have a question for you Aquila I if I remember reading through my packet there was something about that there I just to be clear that there are other things like the fencing and things that don't fit in light manufacturing that is being done on the site is that correct right um so with when we uh did the uh staff interpretation of their use they kind of broke it down into two pieces one was this um uh portable toilet piece um it fits into the solid waste and recycling category and then the other piece was the equipment that they uh lease out um that uh they had described as being a a wholesale fitting into the wholesale sales category and so that was the piece where we also found that that based on what was in our code that that didn't um it that didn't comply that that didn't fit that wholesale sales category and so that that's why in the presentation um I had showed that kind of table with the two different places to do different sections of language that we'd have to look at amending.

And so that was the piece where we also found that that based on what was in our code that that didn't um that didn't comply, that that didn't fit that wholesale sales category.

And so that that's why in the presentation um I showed that kind of table with the two different places to do different sections of language that we'd have to look at amending.

Okay, well um I'm really opposed to putting this in a light manufacturing zone, but I'm not opposed to I think the mayor has a uh a good suggestion personally that to look into.

I um but I want to know what the rest of council feels.

Counselor Sacco.

I thank you.

Um I'm concerned about changing the zoning just for future.

Um we don't know what you know what businesses will look into these properties in the future, and while um you know, we may have these specific examples that just concerns me.

Um and also with the conditional use, just because I haven't spoken up yet.

Um I'm also concerned about the con conditional use um because again, sort of it it leaves it a little ambiguous, um, not knowing you know what could come.

Um and uh wanting to stay consistent with you know what goes into these zones.

Council Reas, did you have a question?

Councilor, did you have a question?

A comment?

Yeah, I I think that what we're discussing is more uh in my opinion, uh I don't think it's irresponsible to think um differently and suggest other things, you know.

I think that we all have different ways of thinking and processing things and hearing somebody else speak and the community you know, the planning commissioners are I trust them and I think that they also know what's going on.

Um that's just besides the what I think right now, but I just want to address that.

I do care about what other people have to say and and think.

And um has nothing to do with, you know, I'm opposing I just want to hear what other people like to think and say and have about uh something like this um before making like a huge decision, right?

Um I do like the idea that the mayor suggested, and I think that um might give me a little bit of more information.

I want to make a very informed decision, and I think that um just reading it and interpreting it in my own brain in my own self, it's not enough for me to make a decision.

So I like to see what others have to say and uh I I'm open to the idea that the mayor suggests it.

Councilor Hillier.

Thank you, Councillor President Pratt.

Um Aquila.

Um if we were to move forward with the um general manufacturing zone, is there a way to um grandfather this property in and if they move if the these owners move then it goes back to light manufacturing?

Is that even an option?

I I'm just I don't know.

Yeah, it's probably a weird question, right?

I'm sorry.

I didn't mean to but I'm just kind of thinking about how do you like because I don't want to change light manufacturing.

I mean I'm very so very clear about that.

Um but I and I am open to what the mayor has has suggested uh assuming that that is more um high level, like if this then that versus we're gonna dig in and it's gonna take 600 hours to do.

I mean, I kind of would like to understand the impact of staff, but but maybe that's silly.

So the just to kind of address the impact of staff, so a zone change in this case, um, like you said, is uh quasi-judicial, so they would make an application um and we kind of go through our normal review process.

Um the hundred and twenty-day time limit doesn't apply because it's legislative, I think.

I might be getting that wrong, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply.

But anyway, we we do our best to get it to planning commission within a reasonable time.

Um they make a recommendation um to to you, and then you would be the final decision making body.

So it's not an intensive process like you know, needing uh public outreach and that kind of thing.

It would be kind of a typical um notification process, and um I'm trying to think of maybe what's a more recent thing that I mean it's not gonna be any more work than LAM.

It's not gonna be any more than that.

That seemed like a massive lift.

That's what I that's what I'm I'm trying to give you something to compare it to.

So it is a massive lift is the answer.

Well, um, okay, probably because that was a massive impact.

I don't think it's not quite that massive of a of a lift.

I don't think a developer or a business initiated zone change.

It the impetus is on the business.

And so like that is different than a legislative process where that is on staff to develop the language and to go through the process, the noticing process in a company initiated zone change, they would be required to do the public outreach and all the processes for requesting the zone change.

Thank you.

And then the planning commission is kind of the community input side of it then, if if you will.

And okay.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Councillor Gonzalez.

Thank you.

So I uh I want to say a comment and also uh provide how I would want to do this.

So uh I don't feel any pressure.

I think this is within our uh jurisdiction to fuel these kinds of questions, litigate it, talk about it, and make a decision.

So I think this is wonderful that a business is doing what they can to move forward.

Now it's up to us to make that decision ultimately.

So I would be in support of what the mayor is suggesting.

If there if there's a way for us to find a solution, I would be for it.

I mean, we would have to provide provide those parameters and then and then do the due diligence and then follow up.

Um it sounds to me like they've made the changes necessary that we asked early on right away.

I think so that that would be my my what I would want to do.

So thank you.

I think we have a general consensus direction you need to.

Yeah.

Um yes, I think so.

I guess just to be very clear, a hearing general consensus for um the applicant to move forward with a a zone change from light manufacturing to general manufacturing.

Okay.

All right, we will work with their attorneys and the business.

Counselor Brooks.

Um can we see the map one more time?

Yeah.

We need a question.

Can we just start a little bit late?

Can you tell me where the two properties are that we're talking about?

Yeah.

So um and yes, so the the star, you see the star up there?

That's us right now.

So directly to the west in um yeah, thank you, Andy.

Yeah, that's it.

And so just south of that, south of Herman is general manufacturing.

So that's that's what the mayor was referring to when he was saying extending general manufacturing.

And then what's next to it?

Uh manufacturing park.

So that's um okay.

So it's here right here, next to us.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah.

Thanks.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you.

Thanks.

Just so the council is aware, we will work with the uh honey bucket to see if they're willing to initiate that application and the voluntary compliance agreement will stay in effect until we complete this process or that they decide they do not want uh to uh submit an application.

Okay.

Um I believe our work session is over right at seven, so let's meet back at 7 05 to start the council meeting.

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