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Vandalia Special Council Meeting June 5, 2024: Executive Session and Public Support for City Manager

City Council — Wednesday, June 5, 2024
BodyVandalia, Ohio
SessionCity Council
DateWednesday, June 5, 2024
StatusFILED
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0:03

The special council meeting of June 5th is now called to order.

0:09

Several council members have requested a meeting.

0:11

So at this time it's recommended council enter into executive session to consider the appointment, employment, discipline, promotion, or compensation of a public employee.

0:21

Have a motion.

0:22

So moved.

0:25

Second.

0:26

I have a motion by Councilwoman Farce and a second by Councilwoman Dugan to go into executive session.

0:31

Call point of order.

0:33

Your honor.

0:34

I would like to ask uh in reference to city section 220.01E emergency meetings, uh, which this was called under.

0:44

Um it reads in part that the order of business of the emergency meetings shall be transact transacted in an order to be fixed by the mayor, unless council by majority vote suspends the rule and changes the order.

0:56

And my request is obviously I know that there are several council members, including myself who are proponents of transparency and open government, and I know that council member Avalotis Weaver communicated in an email just this past Friday to all of council that it's quote unfair and biased to limit public comment and discussion from interested parties, end quote.

1:19

And that was related to the special meeting we had on Monday night on a zoning matter.

1:25

Um we allowed public comment during that meeting, even though it is not a public hearing and is not permitted.

1:33

I also believe councilman or councilmember Dugan is also a big proponent of public input as she has shared this meeting notice as a public meeting all over social media the past 24 hours.

1:44

So I would assume assume that she has no problem hearing from the public as well.

1:48

So my question for council would be I'm making a motion that we allow public participation for all these residents, business owners, and or city employees who have chosen to attend a public meeting tonight instead of us going into executive session and causing them disruption into their lives this evening while they wait for us to emerge from executive session.

2:12

So that is my motion is that we allow public comments prior to recessing into executive session.

2:19

That would be the will of council.

2:22

Mr.

2:22

Mayor No.

2:27

I'd like to speak before you go into executive session.

2:30

Well, at this time that's fine.

2:33

I'll second then.

2:36

So you have a motion or second.

2:39

Um just as a point of order, it's not an emergency meeting, it's a special meeting.

2:44

Um it was specifically listed as a special meeting.

2:46

Emergency meetings are meetings between 12 hours and 24 hours, and this had more than 24 hours notice, but nonetheless, there is a motion in the second.

2:55

So I assume you want me to call roll.

2:57

Sure.

2:58

Councilmember Dugan.

3:00

No.

3:00

Councilmember Lewis.

3:03

Pardon me, which which motion are we voting on?

3:08

To allow public comment.

3:09

To hold the meeting at have public comment.

3:12

Oh, I'm sorry, I just realized we did have a motion.

3:15

We have two motions.

3:16

Thank you.

3:18

Yeah, we would need a withdrawal of the first motion to consider the second motion.

3:24

And the motion is to have public comment, not to have the meeting out here, and then going to no no.

3:29

I mean, uh the matter that I believe wants to be addressed should be in executive session.

3:33

My motion is to have the hearing of the public prior to us recessing into executive session, which could be ours, and not tie up all these people's time who have obviously made an effort to be here for a reason tonight.

3:46

So that's my my request is that we have a public comments from public or interested citizens or the public prior to going into executive session as a point of order.

3:59

Uh councilmember FARST would need to uh withdraw the motion, or council member Dugan would need to withdraw the second to take care of that first motion before we technically can move to the second motion.

4:11

We have to reverse the order.

4:14

Yes, yes.

4:17

Are you withdrawing?

4:19

No, you are.

4:20

I'm withdrawing this.

4:22

You made the motion.

4:24

Yes.

4:25

Okay, so we have a first and a second to withdraw to withdraw.

4:28

So now we have a motion from Mr.

4:31

Follick for the allowing the pub to amend the rules to allow public speaking prior to and who was the second.

4:40

I'm sorry.

4:41

Vice Mayor Ballet.

4:42

I was okay.

4:46

This is the motion to allow public comment.

4:49

Councilmember Dugan.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Personnel Matters█████████████████████████████████████████████48%
Procedural████████████████████21%
Parks and Recreation█████████10%
Community Engagement███████7%
Public Engagement█████5%
Economic Development████4%
Water And Wastewater Management███3%
Engineering And Infrastructure██2%
Summary of Proceedings

Vandalia City Council Special Meeting - June 5, 2024

The Vandalia City Council held a special meeting June 5, 2024, at 4:30 PM in council chambers. The agenda listed comments from interested citizens and an executive session on the appointment, employment, discipline, promotion, or compensation of a public employee. After council agreed to hear public comment, residents spoke about the performance of City Manager Dan Went. Council then entered executive session; no final action was reported in the available transcript.

Consent Calendar

  • No consent calendar was on the agenda.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Council voted to allow public comment before entering executive session; comments were limited to five minutes because of the size of the crowd.
  • Most speakers expressed strong support for City Manager Dan Went, describing him as transparent, committed, strategic, and a "huge breath of fresh air" compared with previous city managers. One speaker listed his recognition as Vandalia-Butler Chamber Business Person of the Year, Dayton Business Journal 40 Under 40, and Leadership Ohio Fellow and said he had raised the city's profile.
  • A city employee said Went had pushed departments to do more, emphasized transparency and continuous improvement, and had never asked for anything other than full release of records. Another resident praised his availability and the way he visited city facilities.
  • A resident expressed concern about lack of transparency, saying the meeting was noticed with less than 24 hours' notice and residents did not know why the meeting was called; he warned against repeated city-manager turnover and urged council to consider the future.
  • Other speakers raised concerns about Went, including transparency in dealings related to warehouse development and the belief that some council members had treated the city manager with disrespect or held personal vendettas. One speaker urged council to get the "whole and complete truth" before making a decision.

Discussion Items

  • Council debated a point of order about whether the meeting was an emergency meeting under City Code §220.01E. One council member moved to allow public participation before the executive session, citing a council member's email that limiting public comment would be "unfair and biased."
  • A council point of order said this was a special meeting, not an emergency meeting, because more than 24 hours' notice had been given.
  • Council then entered executive session for the stated personnel purpose. At the end of the public portion, the city manager was said to want to address council in executive session, and council returned to executive session without a new motion because it had never adjourned out of it.

Key Outcomes

  • Council voted to allow public comments before going into executive session, with a five-minute limit per speaker.
  • Council entered executive session under the personnel exception.
  • No formal votes, resolutions, or disciplinary decisions were reported in the transcript, and the agenda states minutes were not available for this meeting.

Meeting Transcript

The special council meeting of June 5th is now called to order. Several council members have requested a meeting. So at this time it's recommended council enter into executive session to consider the appointment, employment, discipline, promotion, or compensation of a public employee. Have a motion. So moved. Second. I have a motion by Councilwoman Farce and a second by Councilwoman Dugan to go into executive session. Call point of order. Your honor. I would like to ask uh in reference to city section 220.01E emergency meetings, uh, which this was called under. Um it reads in part that the order of business of the emergency meetings shall be transact transacted in an order to be fixed by the mayor, unless council by majority vote suspends the rule and changes the order. And my request is obviously I know that there are several council members, including myself who are proponents of transparency and open government, and I know that council member Avalotis Weaver communicated in an email just this past Friday to all of council that it's quote unfair and biased to limit public comment and discussion from interested parties, end quote. And that was related to the special meeting we had on Monday night on a zoning matter. Um we allowed public comment during that meeting, even though it is not a public hearing and is not permitted. I also believe councilman or councilmember Dugan is also a big proponent of public input as she has shared this meeting notice as a public meeting all over social media the past 24 hours. So I would assume assume that she has no problem hearing from the public as well. So my question for council would be I'm making a motion that we allow public participation for all these residents, business owners, and or city employees who have chosen to attend a public meeting tonight instead of us going into executive session and causing them disruption into their lives this evening while they wait for us to emerge from executive session. So that is my motion is that we allow public comments prior to recessing into executive session. That would be the will of council. Mr. Mayor No. I'd like to speak before you go into executive session. Well, at this time that's fine. I'll second then. So you have a motion or second. Um just as a point of order, it's not an emergency meeting, it's a special meeting. Um it was specifically listed as a special meeting. Emergency meetings are meetings between 12 hours and 24 hours, and this had more than 24 hours notice, but nonetheless, there is a motion in the second. So I assume you want me to call roll. Sure. Councilmember Dugan. No. Councilmember Lewis. Pardon me, which which motion are we voting on? To allow public comment. To hold the meeting at have public comment. Oh, I'm sorry, I just realized we did have a motion. We have two motions. Thank you. Yeah, we would need a withdrawal of the first motion to consider the second motion. And the motion is to have public comment, not to have the meeting out here, and then going to no no. I mean, uh the matter that I believe wants to be addressed should be in executive session. My motion is to have the hearing of the public prior to us recessing into executive session, which could be ours, and not tie up all these people's time who have obviously made an effort to be here for a reason tonight. So that's my my request is that we have a public comments from public or interested citizens or the public prior to going into executive session as a point of order. Uh councilmember FARST would need to uh withdraw the motion, or council member Dugan would need to withdraw the second to take care of that first motion before we technically can move to the second motion. We have to reverse the order. Yes, yes. Are you withdrawing? No, you are. I'm withdrawing this.

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