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Vandalia City Council Meeting - February 17, 2025

City Council — Monday, February 17, 2025

BodyVandalia, Ohio

SessionCity Council

DateMonday, February 17, 2025

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All right, so the the Monday, February 17th to 2025 council meeting is now come to order.

0:07

And the first item on the agenda is a moment of reflection, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance.

0:21

All right, please stand.

0:22

And to join us in the in the pledge, or to lead us in the pledge, will be Liam from the Boy Scout from Troop 307.

0:33

Liam, start on your count.

0:35

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.

0:42

One nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all this for all.

0:54

Very good job, Liam.

0:55

Thank you.

0:58

All right.

0:59

So that brings us to opportunity for review.

1:12

Are there any comments or corrections?

1:16

All right.

1:16

Those stand approved.

1:20

And there's no petitions, communications, petitions or awards tonight.

1:25

And that brings us to public hearing.

1:28

Or no public hearing, actually.

1:31

It does bring us to interested citizens' comments.

1:35

And at this time, we welcome comments from interested citizens.

1:39

And as you come to the podium, please state your name and your address for the record.

1:45

We further ask that you speak or who you those who speak to please follow the etiquette of communicating with respect to others.

1:53

As a courtesy, please stay on topic with your statements while addressing council.

1:58

A reminder, this is not a time or a forum for arguments.

2:01

In an effort to give all citizens an opportunity to express their thoughts and concerns, we ask you to keep your comments to a as brief as possible.

2:11

Anyone?

2:12

First one.

2:19

Good evening, Don Hutchison 1058 Bristol.

2:22

Thank you, Council.

2:24

First of all, I would like to give you some documents here to address an old issue.

2:50

Do you want to just give it to the city manager and we'll pass it down?

2:54

Yeah, I'm almost there.

2:56

Okay.

3:00

I understand that.

3:20

As you can see, this is a resolution from December 18th 2006 with the outcome 06R-33.

3:33

And the reason that I come to speak on this tonight.

3:37

Quite a few inquiries have been made from the people of the Lane Platte.

3:41

Naturally, you've probably also noticed for yourself on the east end of Dollar Tree Kroger area what's going on to I guess it's address 810 on Northwoods.

3:58

And already way to the east, north of the Brown School Connection.

4:07

Quite a few people want to know about the integrity of the resolution if it was uh thought that council might think that the outcome was ambiguous or vague in nature that uh they said that they would not or in the future allow that to be extended, and that even if another developer was to meet the requirements of the PUD, the condition that Brown School wouldn't go through.

5:00

Some people have been told that uh they're going to be an entrance made to the new service center, with some statements being made that it was for an emergency and emergency in its definition is uh urgent, sudden and serious event or unforeseen change in circumstances that necessitate immediate action to remedy harm or avert imminent danger to life, health, or property, and exigency is uh that what they would consider that access to be for yes.

5:25

Would that be something that would be constantly monitored?

5:29

So then an emergency situation, it would be immediately open for that.

5:37

What other uses would that be for?

5:39

Now I'm only asked asking this because there's a lot of people that were involved in this back in 06.

5:46

They're not quite as involved as other people in understanding how this come about that this is going on back there where they're going about their daily business seeing all this getting just torn apart back there.

6:00

What else would this be used for?

6:05

Well, the property or I think our tent is completely honored this.

6:11

It w uh they were gonna put a service drive in the event of an emergency they they couldn't exit say down through in front of Clo uh Kroger's.

6:22

Um what other uses?

6:25

Uh not for general use, not for general traffic, not for convenience of employees.

6:34

Uh I think uh to my mind we're all committed to what we had committed to before, obviously.

6:43

Well, those there are those that just want to know that they're can be reassured that that is going to be upheld.

6:51

Um down where they're at now for years.

6:55

Second Saturday, they always have the large item disposal, and there's many times to where the traffic backs up for people waiting to load or offload.

7:11

Where would that staging area would be for that?

7:13

Would that be all the way out over into the area in front of Kroger's or how how would they handle that?

7:19

Some people want to know.

7:21

I would think on the facility itself, because it's gonna be big enough to accommodate.

7:27

Um I've been there a number of times, and yes, they're but usually most I've I've seen are 10 cars or so or 10 pickup trucks full of full of uh debris.

7:42

Um, and I think the facility is more than ample to be able to hold that.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting

Zoning And Land Use████████████████████████████████████████40%

Procedural███████████████15%

Public Engagement█████████████13%

Transportation Safety██████6%

Public Safety█████5%

Community Engagement█████5%

Economic Development████4%

Personnel Matters███3%

Parks and Recreation███3%

Summary of Proceedings

Vandalia City Council Meeting - February 17, 2025

The Vandalia City Council held its regular meeting on Monday, February 17, 2025, at 7:00 PM. The meeting included public comments, approval of resolutions, an emergency ordinance, and council reports. Key actions included approval of the First Suburbs Consortium bylaws, authorization to purchase property for revitalization, and an appropriation adjustment.

Public Comments & Testimony

Don Hutchison (1058 Bristol) raised concerns about the PUD on South Brown School Road, referencing a 2006 resolution (06R-33) regarding emergency access. He asked how the emergency access would be used and monitored, and whether water/sewer/stormwater rate revenues were being used for the new public works facility. The city manager confirmed some rate funds are used for capital improvements.
Robert Shanahan (7733 South Brown School Road) opposed the proposed development, stating it would look like Huber Heights, not Foxfire. He cited traffic issues, school impacts, and noted a traffic study request by Kurt Althouse. He argued the development would harm the city's character.
Patty Tackett (7771 Johnson Station Road), owner of Miami Valley Shooting Grounds, raised concerns about potential lead contamination on the development property, referencing past litigation. She asked if lead testing had been done.
A letter from a resident (read by another) opposed the 167-home plan, calling for larger lots, natural materials, and brick/stone fronts. The writer, a realtor, worried about property value impacts.
Beth Langford (410 South Brown School Road) agreed with previous speakers, calling the development not beneficial.
Donald Engel (859 Bolton Abbey Lane, Foxfire) urged council to require quality standards comparable to Foxfire, noting Foxfire's success and the proposed development's vinyl siding and small lots.
Leon Mabel (778 Fox Fire Trail) asked for larger lots, expressed concerns about traffic and property values, and urged council to use its authority to modify the plan.
Tammy Weatherhead (4555 Poplar Creek Road) noted the PUD was nearly identical to the previously denied RSF-4 plan, criticized the vinyl siding, and shared a personal emergency services shortage experience.
A resident (name not given) asked about the development's benefits and whether council could make changes; council confirmed they have authority.
Kimberly Bysh (792 Fox Fire) gave extensive testimony about traffic, school capacity, lot sizes (90 inches side-yard), fire safety, and the need for a traffic study. She urged council to consider community concerns.
A speaker from 751 Foxfire asked for council feedback, noted the developer is not a stakeholder, and requested a traffic study before voting. He suggested tabling until the study is done.
Ed Burke (2337 Upper Trentway) criticized the cul-de-sac layout and suggested phased development, asked about wetland maintenance, and suggested limits on short-term rentals.
Ronald Ingle (859 Bolton Abbey Lane) shared concerns about traffic and cited a potential lawsuit risk, referencing a similar case in Centerville.

Discussion Items

The city attorney explained the procedural process for PUD approval, including that council cannot require certain things beyond code, but could table or approve subject to a traffic study. He clarified that the prior rezoning was pulled by the applicant and never voted on by council.
Councilmember noted that traffic studies can be biased and expressed concern about potential litigation.
Councilmember Avalotis Weaver acknowledged resident concerns about Helky Park's toddler playground and noted future replacement plans.
Councilmember Fallett thanked public works and parks staff for snow removal and water main repairs.
Councilmember Farst thanked the utility rate study presenter and staff.
Councilmember Blakesley thanked the Boy Scouts and noted the utility rate presentation would be posted on the city website.

Consent Calendar

Approval of Council Study Session Minutes and Council Meeting Minutes from January 6, 2025 (no corrections or comments).

Resolutions

25-R-13: Approved the 2024 Bylaws of the First Suburbs Consortium of Dayton Ohio Council of Governments. Motion carried 6-0.
25-R-14: Authorized the City Manager to purchase property at 10 W. National Road for $2,150,000, funded by the Job Creation and Revitalization Fund. Motion carried 6-0.

Ordinances – Emergency

25-03: Approved an emergency ordinance to revise appropriations by $2,000,000 for the property purchase at 10 W. National Road, amending Ordinance 24-24. A public hearing was opened, no comments, and the motion carried 6-0.

Key Outcomes

Council approved the First Suburbs Consortium bylaws (6-0).
Council authorized the property purchase for redevelopment (6-0).
Council approved the emergency appropriation ordinance (6-0).
Council excused Mayor Richard Herbst from all meetings (6-0).
The next council meeting is scheduled for March 3, 2025, where the PUD and preliminary plan will have a second reading and public hearing. A traffic study may be requested by the developer or considered.

Meeting Transcript

All right, so the the Monday, February 17th to 2025 council meeting is now come to order. And the first item on the agenda is a moment of reflection, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance. All right, please stand. And to join us in the in the pledge, or to lead us in the pledge, will be Liam from the Boy Scout from Troop 307. Liam, start on your count. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all this for all. Very good job, Liam. Thank you. All right. So that brings us to opportunity for review. Are there any comments or corrections? All right. Those stand approved. And there's no petitions, communications, petitions or awards tonight. And that brings us to public hearing. Or no public hearing, actually. It does bring us to interested citizens' comments. And at this time, we welcome comments from interested citizens. And as you come to the podium, please state your name and your address for the record. We further ask that you speak or who you those who speak to please follow the etiquette of communicating with respect to others. As a courtesy, please stay on topic with your statements while addressing council. A reminder, this is not a time or a forum for arguments. In an effort to give all citizens an opportunity to express their thoughts and concerns, we ask you to keep your comments to a as brief as possible. Anyone? First one. Good evening, Don Hutchison 1058 Bristol. Thank you, Council. First of all, I would like to give you some documents here to address an old issue. Do you want to just give it to the city manager and we'll pass it down? Yeah, I'm almost there. Okay. I understand that. As you can see, this is a resolution from December 18th 2006 with the outcome 06R-33. And the reason that I come to speak on this tonight. Quite a few inquiries have been made from the people of the Lane Platte. Naturally, you've probably also noticed for yourself on the east end of Dollar Tree Kroger area what's going on to I guess it's address 810 on Northwoods. And already way to the east, north of the Brown School Connection. Quite a few people want to know about the integrity of the resolution if it was uh thought that council might think that the outcome was ambiguous or vague in nature that uh they said that they would not or in the future allow that to be extended, and that even if another developer was to meet the requirements of the PUD, the condition that Brown School wouldn't go through. Some people have been told that uh they're going to be an entrance made to the new service center, with some statements being made that it was for an emergency and emergency in its definition is uh urgent, sudden and serious event or unforeseen change in circumstances that necessitate immediate action to remedy harm or avert imminent danger to life, health, or property, and exigency is uh that what they would consider that access to be for yes. Would that be something that would be constantly monitored? So then an emergency situation, it would be immediately open for that. What other uses would that be for? Now I'm only asked asking this because there's a lot of people that were involved in this back in 06. They're not quite as involved as other people in understanding how this come about that this is going on back there where they're going about their daily business seeing all this getting just torn apart back there. What else would this be used for? Well, the property or I think our tent is completely honored this. It w uh they were gonna put a service drive in the event of an emergency they they couldn't exit say down through in front of Clo uh Kroger's. Um what other uses? Uh not for general use, not for general traffic, not for convenience of employees.

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