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Vandalia City Council Meeting – March 3, 2025

City Council — Monday, March 3, 2025
BodyVandalia, Ohio
SessionCity Council
DateMonday, March 3, 2025
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0:03

This time I'd like to call the March 3rd, 2025 City of Vandata Council meeting to order.

0:08

We'll begin with a moment of reflection, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag.

0:19

Please stand for the pledge.

0:31

Which is nation undervisible with liberty and justice for all.

0:43

All right, Council, you've had an opportunity to review the study session minutes and the council meeting minutes of January 21st.

0:50

Are there any comments or corrections?

0:54

Being none, they stand approved.

0:56

We have no communications, petitions, or awards, nor do we have a public hearing.

1:00

I will note that if you are here to speak on the Addison properties, that will be later in the agenda, so I would ask that you would please wait till then for your comments.

1:12

That brings us to comments from interested citizens.

1:14

So if anyone would like to make a comment, uh we would like to hear what you have to say.

1:18

So we'd like to ask those to that want to speak to follow the etiquette of communication with respect to others.

1:25

As a courtesy, please try to stay on topic with your statements.

1:28

And as a reminder, this is not a forum for arguments.

1:31

In an effort to give all citizens an opportunity to express their thoughts and concerns, we ask that you keep your comments as brief as possible.

1:39

So please hold any comments on the Addison properties until the agenda item number 12, as we will be having a public hearing at that time, and we'll be taking action on that matter.

1:49

So if anyone would like to make comments on any other matters, please come to the podium, state your name and address clearly for the record and your comment.

2:02

Good evening, Council.

2:04

My name is Amos Knipp.

2:05

I live at 207, James Wihannon Drive, Apartment 2.

2:08

Um I've got a couple things I want to talk about tonight, and neither of them are the development.

2:12

It seems like all of Vandalia showed up to talk about that for me.

2:16

Um first of all, I'd like to talk about snow.

2:19

Over the past couple months, we've gotten a lot of snow in Vandelia, and the road crews have done a fantastic job handling it.

2:25

I've been very, very impressed.

2:27

But I think there are a couple of areas where we can still improve.

2:31

Um three, to be exact crosswalks, sidewalks, and bus stops.

2:35

Uh the ADA recommends hard plastic tactile pads be placed at the entrances of sidewalks to assist the visually impaired while they're walking with their sight sticks.

2:45

Um on a couple of occasions I've noticed that snow plow trucks uh cover these up entirely or stack snow in front of them, which make them inaccessible and not usable.

2:54

Um secondly, sidewalks are often also just not cleared at all.

2:58

I understand that this responsibility is for the most part placed upon the business owners who are closest to proximity to these sidewalks.

3:05

However, there's still city infrastructure and uh they need to be maintained just as any road would.

3:10

Um last item is bus stops.

3:14

Snow is plowed and placed in front of RTA bus stops, um, which when you combine that with the crosswalks and the sidewalks being poorly maintained, uh people who do not have a car are just at a complete disadvantage when it comes to commuting inside of the city, and I think that's a uh a spot we can really improve.

3:32

Um, I haven't witnessed this myself, but another citizen informed me that he saw snow being piled up in front of school bus stops, um, which obviously those aren't marked with giant placards like RTA bus stops are, so I understand that it might be a little bit harder to notice those.

3:48

So perhaps if we could get some sort of a map given to drivers so they could be more aware of where these are, that would be great.

3:54

Uh I have a second thing I'd like to talk about, which is council administration and scheduling.

3:58

I think that the times of study sessions and city council meetings need to be consistent and should never change unless it's the most strenuous of circumstances.

4:06

Uh if a study session is expected to go long, uh that discussion should be continued at a future session.

4:14

Um however, I think that we should just be structuring our agendas with enough content to fill the one-hour mark and nothing more.

4:21

Um citizens of Vandalia have a right to attend their government public meetings.

4:25

The current set schedule of six o'clock study session and the seven o'clock meeting perfectly allows for most people living by a conventional work life schedule of nine to five to attend and participate.

4:36

Uh I think that time changes and reschedules.

4:38

Um I think that they can help foster distrust from the public towards the government.

4:47

Um I also would like to state that when these changes happen.

4:51

If somebody is to go to the city council website, it's not shown there.

4:55

Uh it'll still say study session at 6, city council at 7.

5:00

In order to find the time change, you have to go to the news section of the website, which I would not have known if Amber uh didn't tell me.

5:07

But yeah, if anybody wanted to come to a city council meeting or a study session on a night where it's been rescheduled, and they go to the city council webpage, they will not find that the time has been changed.

5:16

Thank you.

5:17

All right, thank you.

5:20

Is there anyone else who'd like to make a comment?

5:32

Good evening.

5:33

Uh I'm Dan Hicks.

5:34

I live at 534 Raider Drive.

5:36

Um I've only lived in Bailey Vandalia for the past nine years, so I wasn't quite familiar with some of the regulations and the zoning process that we have.

5:45

But I finally convinced my wife to get solar panels after we had three over $600 electric bills this past summer.

5:52

So uh looking at the forecast from the energy, excuse me, after just doing some quick searches, uh, it looks like there's potentially another 29% hike in generation charges from the summer of 25 to the summer of 26.

6:08

This isn't in also consideration of other energy industrial demands, such as AI plants, the the big plant going over uh in Columbus, Ohio.

6:17

So um I don't see energy prices not doubling within the next five to seven years uh for households.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Zoning And Land Use█████████████████████████████████████████████53%
Economic Development████████10%
Procedural████████9%
Transportation Safety███████8%
Engineering And Infrastructure██████7%
Affordable Housing███4%
Environmental Protection███3%
Education And Youth███3%
Technology and Innovation██2%
Summary of Proceedings

Vandalia City Council Meeting – March 3, 2025

The Vandalia City Council met on March 3, 2025, at 7:00 PM for a regularly scheduled meeting lasting 2 hours and 35 minutes. The meeting included approval of minutes, citizen comments, a resolution, and a lengthy public hearing and debate on a proposed Planned Unit Development (PUD) for 167 homes at 7848 South Brown School Road. The council ultimately approved the ordinance with conditions after two votes.

Consent Calendar

  • Council Study Session Minutes and Council Meeting Minutes from January 21, 2025, were approved without comment.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Amos Knipp (207 James Wihannon Drive) praised snow removal efforts but raised concerns about snow plowing covering ADA tactile pads, uncleared sidewalks, and snow piled at RTA and school bus stops. He also urged consistent meeting times and better website notification of schedule changes.
  • Dan Hicks (534 Raider Drive) requested revisiting zoning rules that prohibit solar panels on south-facing roofs and ground arrays, citing rising energy costs and a desire for self-reliance.

Public Hearing on Ordinance 25-02 (PUD at 7848 South Brown School Road)

Multiple residents spoke – most expressing opposition to the density, materials, and traffic impacts of the proposed Riverdale subdivision:

  • Don O'Neill (859 Bolton Abbey Lane, Foxfire) urged higher-quality construction (brick, larger lots, wider streets) to match Foxfire, stating the city has "only one chance" to develop this land well.
  • Barbara Breich (898 Deerhurst) asked that Deerhurst Drive not be extended across Brown School Road due to traffic and accident risks.
  • Russell Munts (825 Deerhurst) highlighted traffic dangers at the bottleneck of Little York and Brown School, and argued the development lacks connectivity to parks or businesses.
  • Larry Taylor (longtime business owner) spoke in favor of the development, saying Vandalia needs growth and that the homes are not "junk" but $400,000–$500,000 units.
  • Don Engel (859 Bolton Abbey Lane) stressed opposition is to the type/location, not to housing itself.
  • Gloria Shanahan (7733 South Brown School Road) compared similar vinyl-plat developments in Brookville and Union unfavorably, and cited an accident at Foxfire Trail due to poor sightlines.
  • Ed Burke (2337 Upper Trent) and Tanya Brown (4428 Poplar Creek Road) both challenged cul-de-sac lengths exceeding the 600-foot code (one at 737 ft, another at 683 ft), questioned emergency access, and noted lead contamination concerns.
  • Terry Manual (2431 Older Report) complained about snow plow coverage of fire hydrants on her cul-de-sac.
  • Alex Conarderi (751 Foxfire) asked the council to approve in a way they would want to live there, and requested more research before voting.
  • Rick Ford (1616 Ashworth Drive) argued vinyl siding depreciates value and urged a no vote to protect property values.
  • Chris and Bell (781 Foxfire Trail) raised school capacity concerns (kindergarten and preschool waitlists), traffic under the historic railroad bridge, and desire for larger yards.
  • Robert Shanahan (7733 South Brown School Road) cited a 2.3/5 star rating for Arbor Homes (builder) and suggested alternative locations (e.g., Dog Leg Road) and referenced a 2022 PUD denial for Mulberry Road townhouses.

Discussion Items

  • City Manager's Report: Rob Cron reminded residents of the free large debris drop-off on March 8 (8 AM–2 PM) and daylight savings time on March 9.
  • Resolution 25-R-15: Authorized election of two council members to the Volunteer Firefighter Dependents Fund Board. Vice Mayor Blakesley and Councilmember Avalotus Weaver were elected. Passed 7-0.
  • Ordinance 25-02 (Second Reading): Addison Properties requested a PUD for Riverdale subdivision (84.8 acres, 167 homes). Planning Commission had recommended approval 3-1. The public hearing included extensive testimony. Council members debated amendments regarding lot sizes, architectural materials, traffic studies, and buffers.

Key Outcomes

  • Resolution 25-R-15 passed unanimously (7-0).
  • Ordinance 25-02 was approved on second reading after two votes:
    • First motion (with amendments including no vinyl siding) failed 1-6 (only Councilmember Lewis in favor).
    • Second motion (with amendments: §H – 2,000 sq ft minimum for lots 31-35 & 119-126; §I – change "and" to "or" for anti-monotony; addition of §D – adequate landscape buffer per Chapter 1232; traffic study completed per city code with recommendations implemented before final plan; 25% hard-fired brick/stone on three sides of each home) passed 5-2 (Councilmember Lewis and Farst opposed).
  • The approved PUD includes existing provisions for upgraded vinyl (.044 thickness) and minimum brick wainscot on front elevations, but the new conditions require 25% brick/stone on three sides (no vinyl prohibition) and a traffic study.
  • No further business; council comments thanked employees (155 combined years recognized) and congratulated Captain Sucre as incoming police chief. Meeting adjourned.

Meeting Transcript

This time I'd like to call the March 3rd, 2025 City of Vandata Council meeting to order. We'll begin with a moment of reflection, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag. Please stand for the pledge. Which is nation undervisible with liberty and justice for all. All right, Council, you've had an opportunity to review the study session minutes and the council meeting minutes of January 21st. Are there any comments or corrections? Being none, they stand approved. We have no communications, petitions, or awards, nor do we have a public hearing. I will note that if you are here to speak on the Addison properties, that will be later in the agenda, so I would ask that you would please wait till then for your comments. That brings us to comments from interested citizens. So if anyone would like to make a comment, uh we would like to hear what you have to say. So we'd like to ask those to that want to speak to follow the etiquette of communication with respect to others. As a courtesy, please try to stay on topic with your statements. And as a reminder, this is not a forum for arguments. In an effort to give all citizens an opportunity to express their thoughts and concerns, we ask that you keep your comments as brief as possible. So please hold any comments on the Addison properties until the agenda item number 12, as we will be having a public hearing at that time, and we'll be taking action on that matter. So if anyone would like to make comments on any other matters, please come to the podium, state your name and address clearly for the record and your comment. Good evening, Council. My name is Amos Knipp. I live at 207, James Wihannon Drive, Apartment 2. Um I've got a couple things I want to talk about tonight, and neither of them are the development. It seems like all of Vandalia showed up to talk about that for me. Um first of all, I'd like to talk about snow. Over the past couple months, we've gotten a lot of snow in Vandelia, and the road crews have done a fantastic job handling it. I've been very, very impressed. But I think there are a couple of areas where we can still improve. Um three, to be exact crosswalks, sidewalks, and bus stops. Uh the ADA recommends hard plastic tactile pads be placed at the entrances of sidewalks to assist the visually impaired while they're walking with their sight sticks. Um on a couple of occasions I've noticed that snow plow trucks uh cover these up entirely or stack snow in front of them, which make them inaccessible and not usable. Um secondly, sidewalks are often also just not cleared at all. I understand that this responsibility is for the most part placed upon the business owners who are closest to proximity to these sidewalks. However, there's still city infrastructure and uh they need to be maintained just as any road would. Um last item is bus stops. Snow is plowed and placed in front of RTA bus stops, um, which when you combine that with the crosswalks and the sidewalks being poorly maintained, uh people who do not have a car are just at a complete disadvantage when it comes to commuting inside of the city, and I think that's a uh a spot we can really improve. Um, I haven't witnessed this myself, but another citizen informed me that he saw snow being piled up in front of school bus stops, um, which obviously those aren't marked with giant placards like RTA bus stops are, so I understand that it might be a little bit harder to notice those. So perhaps if we could get some sort of a map given to drivers so they could be more aware of where these are, that would be great. Uh I have a second thing I'd like to talk about, which is council administration and scheduling. I think that the times of study sessions and city council meetings need to be consistent and should never change unless it's the most strenuous of circumstances. Uh if a study session is expected to go long, uh that discussion should be continued at a future session. Um however, I think that we should just be structuring our agendas with enough content to fill the one-hour mark and nothing more. Um citizens of Vandalia have a right to attend their government public meetings. The current set schedule of six o'clock study session and the seven o'clock meeting perfectly allows for most people living by a conventional work life schedule of nine to five to attend and participate. Uh I think that time changes and reschedules. Um I think that they can help foster distrust from the public towards the government. Um I also would like to state that when these changes happen. If somebody is to go to the city council website, it's not shown there. Uh it'll still say study session at 6, city council at 7. In order to find the time change, you have to go to the news section of the website, which I would not have known if Amber uh didn't tell me. But yeah, if anybody wanted to come to a city council meeting or a study session on a night where it's been rescheduled, and they go to the city council webpage, they will not find that the time has been changed. Thank you.

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